In the aftermath of todays attack in Munich and the previous ones all over the free world?...do we need to take steps to arm as many citizens as possible to thwart these cowards when they attack?

I believe we should establish a Federal Concealed Carry Permit that would allow people to carry concealed across State lines. Those receiving this permit would be highly vetted and trained in self defense techniques beyond that of normal CCW carriers. I also believe we should allow ALL active duty military personnel to carry concealed across State lines when in civies and carry openly when in uniform. This would effectively create a hidden security force to help law enforcement battle these terrorists and serve as a deterrent at locations considered "soft" targets.

Lets be honest. We have no way to stop ANY dedicated terrorist from carrying out these attacks. Our only defense is SELF DEFENSE in these situations. We must be proactive NOW before it is too late.

(07-22-2016 01:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In the aftermath of todays attack in Munich and the previous ones all over the free world?...do we need to take steps to arm as many citizens as possible to thwart these cowards when they attack?

I believe we should establish a Federal Concealed Carry Permit that would allow people to carry concealed across State lines. Those receiving this permit would be highly vetted and trained in self defense techniques beyond that of normal CCW carriers. I also believe we should allow ALL active duty military personnel to carry concealed across State lines when in civies and carry openly when in uniform. This would effectively create a hidden security force to help law enforcement battle these terrorists and serve as a deterrent at locations considered "soft" targets.

Lets be honest. We have no way to stop ANY dedicated terrorist from carrying out these attacks. Our only defense is SELF DEFENSE in these situations. We must be proactive NOW before it is too late.

Not sure how much it would help as so many private businesses don't allow guns, but it is worth a try. I don't know that we should be arming people in night clubs, for instance, and not too many people go and don't drink.

(07-22-2016 01:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In the aftermath of todays attack in Munich and the previous ones all over the free world?...do we need to take steps to arm as many citizens as possible to thwart these cowards when they attack?

I believe we should establish a Federal Concealed Carry Permit that would allow people to carry concealed across State lines. Those receiving this permit would be highly vetted and trained in self defense techniques beyond that of normal CCW carriers. I also believe we should allow ALL active duty military personnel to carry concealed across State lines when in civies and carry openly when in uniform. This would effectively create a hidden security force to help law enforcement battle these terrorists and serve as a deterrent at locations considered "soft" targets.

Lets be honest. We have no way to stop ANY dedicated terrorist from carrying out these attacks. Our only defense is SELF DEFENSE in these situations. We must be proactive NOW before it is too late.

No. This isn't a role the federal gov't needs to get into. That said, I think that there's a lot that could be done by everyday citizens to prevent this type of thing from happening.

(07-22-2016 01:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In the aftermath of todays attack in Munich and the previous ones all over the free world?...do we need to take steps to arm as many citizens as possible to thwart these cowards when they attack?

I believe we should establish a Federal Concealed Carry Permit that would allow people to carry concealed across State lines. Those receiving this permit would be highly vetted and trained in self defense techniques beyond that of normal CCW carriers. I also believe we should allow ALL active duty military personnel to carry concealed across State lines when in civies and carry openly when in uniform. This would effectively create a hidden security force to help law enforcement battle these terrorists and serve as a deterrent at locations considered "soft" targets.

Lets be honest. We have no way to stop ANY dedicated terrorist from carrying out these attacks. Our only defense is SELF DEFENSE in these situations. We must be proactive NOW before it is too late.

Nope.. do not need the federal govt on this one. However, we do need states (Illinois, I'm looking at your liberal bastion) to allow CCW across state lines (or cross-recognition).

Again, to me, the easiest thing to do is... No more "Gun Free Zones". If people conceal carry wherever they go, so be it...

No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

(07-22-2016 02:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

Nothing in the OP's post did anything to remove any liberty. In fact, it would expand liberty.

I would like to see open carry be available across the country.

How about a few guys like this?

I think so. Hire some of those unemployed Chicago kids.

(07-22-2016 01:56 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 01:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In the aftermath of todays attack in Munich and the previous ones all over the free world?...do we need to take steps to arm as many citizens as possible to thwart these cowards when they attack?

I believe we should establish a Federal Concealed Carry Permit that would allow people to carry concealed across State lines. Those receiving this permit would be highly vetted and trained in self defense techniques beyond that of normal CCW carriers. I also believe we should allow ALL active duty military personnel to carry concealed across State lines when in civies and carry openly when in uniform. This would effectively create a hidden security force to help law enforcement battle these terrorists and serve as a deterrent at locations considered "soft" targets.

Lets be honest. We have no way to stop ANY dedicated terrorist from carrying out these attacks. Our only defense is SELF DEFENSE in these situations. We must be proactive NOW before it is too late.

No. This isn't a role the federal gov't needs to get into. That said, I think that there's a lot that could be done by everyday citizens to prevent this type of thing from happening.

I certainly understand the apprehension of allowing the Feds into anything. Id be satisfied with just being able to carry across State lines...but...Im not sure you could ever get the States to agree on something like this without a Federal law.

Why not just require every adult to take gun safety classes and carry a firearm? Would that solve the problem?

(07-22-2016 04:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why not just require every adult to take gun safety classes and carry a firearm? Would that solve the problem?

I wouldn't necessarily want to be required to carry a weapon, but I think mandatory age-appropriate gun safety education should be a part of a school curriculum. There's been enough high-profile parenting failure alone to justify it.

If you need to work it in as part of a more comprehensive health/safety curriculum, add non-weapon self defense classes as well.


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Concealed Carry Permits should be accepted just like a drivers permit. I can drive in any state with my SC permit but cannot carry across all 50 states?

(07-22-2016 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How about a few guys like this?

Accountability is the question. One Punisher in today's American society would wreak all sorts of havok, let alone a dozen. The basis of our current system is that everyone wearing the badge answers to someone, the top of that hierarchy being our elected legislators and ultimately the chief himself. I have a feeling that a clandestine police force would only lead to bad things.

(07-22-2016 10:56 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How about a few guys like this?

Accountability is the question. One Punisher in today's American society would wreak all sorts of havok, let alone a dozen. The basis of our current system is that everyone wearing the badge answers to someone, the top of that hierarchy being our elected legislators and ultimately the chief himself. I have a feeling that a clandestine police force would only lead to bad things.

I dont totally disagree but the Punisher wasnt the police though. He really had no intention of arresting the REALLY bad guys. The child molestors, serial killers, violent gang members, etc...

(07-22-2016 11:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:56 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How about a few guys like this?

Accountability is the question. One Punisher in today's American society would wreak all sorts of havok, let alone a dozen. The basis of our current system is that everyone wearing the badge answers to someone, the top of that hierarchy being our elected legislators and ultimately the chief himself. I have a feeling that a clandestine police force would only lead to bad things.

I dont totally disagree but the Punisher wasnt the police though. He really had no intention of arresting the REALLY bad guys. The child molestors, serial killers, violent gang members, etc...

The quirks (perhaps faults) of our system bleed through though. Everyone gets a trial, everyone gets the judicial assumption of innocence unless proven guilty, and everyone gets the ability to navigate our judicial system as it *and their lawyers* allow. Would it be easier for the "bad guys" that exist in our society to just get wasted by well-meaning vigilantes? Maybe. But how we operate our judicial system separates us from those that we hold ourselves above. We convict most of the worst offenders and most of the innocent involved by circumstance go free. There is no perfection, but there is no descent into chaos. Anything different from the current system risks that descent into tribalism, clandestine lawlessness, and ultimately the degradation of what our Judicial Branch was founded for.

Constitutional Carry is a must in order to have the solution to the OP.

As far as open carry goes, I'm fine with it. However, if a " bad guy" sees you with your Kimber 1911 on your hip. Then you will be the first o be taken out. Where as off you are carrying concealed , no one knows your secret.

No opinions on allowing active duty military to carry concealed?...Id include the NG and active reserve in this also..maybe even retired veterans. I see nothing wrong with allowing the members of our military to protect themselves at all times.

(07-22-2016 10:47 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Concealed Carry Permits should be accepted just like a drivers permit. I can drive in any state with my SC permit but cannot carry across all 50 states?

That would satisfy me for the most part. Id just like to see an additional level of training available that could help thwart these attacks. I agree with above about the elimination of gun free zones also. Any vetted CCW carrier should be able to pack anywhere. Business owners need to be better educated in regard to this issue and welcome the added protection on their premises. It is extremely rare that a CCW holder is involved in a bad shooting.

Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?