(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

(07-19-2016 06:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Now, you are the "bitterender"

This is the White Paper, the blueprint, master plan of ND and the ACC for the next twenty years.....

This is the structure we will have for two decades. Locked into place.

...and it does not include ND football joining the conference, in fact, it memoralizes and freezes the status quo in place.

GAME OVER

whatever ...
we win either way ...
join ...
or subsidize our luxurious lifestyle with a fraction of a fraction of profit and exposure for as far as the eye can see ...

NYAH NYAH

(07-19-2016 06:45 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Now, you are the "bitterender"

This is the White Paper, the blueprint, master plan of ND and the ACC for the next twenty years.....

This is the structure we will have for two decades. Locked into place.

...and it does not include ND football joining the conference, in fact, it memoralizes and freezes the status quo in place.

GAME OVER

whatever ...
we win either way ...
join ...
or subsidize our luxurious lifestyle with a fraction of a fraction of profit and exposure for as far as the eye can see ...

NYAH NYAH

With that post, you have just conceded that I am/was always right and you are wrong. Thank you and most gracious.

FINI

I still question whether some of our resident whiners aren't WVU Island-eers disappointed that their jihad against The ACC has been for nothing.

If they truly are fans of ACC programs and they are that miserable I would advise them to find another team to root for in whatever conference they deem worthy of their constant b itching and moaning.
CJ

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

assumes an alias to sow dissension ...
pay no mind ...
pain in the ass ...

SNAKE IN THE GRASS

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

Don't blame the ACC for stability, If FSU went along and signed it then that is whom Your being upset with belongs . I do feel the Network should begin much sooner though.

I'm excited but I want to know the details. Seems similar to the SEC agreement.

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Question for Terry D? Would you rather see ND win a National Championship as a full member of the ACC? Or know that they would never win a NC again but be assured by God that they will be independent until the end of time?

(07-19-2016 08:06 AM)7fielder Wrote:  Question for Terry D? Would you rather see ND win a National Championship as a full member of the ACC? Or know that they would never win a NC again but be assured by God that they will be independent until the end of time?

Not Terry but if it became clear we had NO shot I want to join. That time is not here thankfully

(07-19-2016 08:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Great. That is not a plus. Already had them. A lot of you guys strive for status quo rather than wanting to maximize assets.

That's why you all are celebrating signing another gor to get the network while completely ignoring that the previous gor extension was supposed to accomplish that

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

Less than two years ago, you and your ilk, were saying that there will be no ACCN. The Acc got that done.

McMurphy on Louisville ESPN radio. His points:

1) The ACC GOR extension is the bigger deal, keeps ACC safe in next round of realignment. ACC will be among the hunters instead of the hunted.

2) Extending the ND agreement strengthens the ACC. IF they join a conference it has to be the ACC.

3) Conferences going to 9 games won't effect ND, they all will make room for them.

4) The ACCN will be similar to the SECN setup, won't be like the B1GN or the PACN.

5) He doesn't know the details of the agreement or the financials.

6) There has to be ways to tweak the agreement, lookins & such. Over 20 years, both sides would want ways to make adjustments.

7) While ND is a partial in the ACC, 9 games is unlikely. With ACC teams having rivals & ND there wouldn't be any scheduling flexibility.

8) The commish will announce the ACCN this week.

9) 2019 is the latest, slight possibility for 2018 launch.

(07-19-2016 08:23 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Great. That is not a plus. Already had them. A lot of you guys strive for status quo rather than wanting to maximize assets.

That's why you all are celebrating signing another gor to get the network while completely ignoring that the previous gor extension was supposed to accomplish that

Says who, YOU? I was under the impression that the first GOR was to stabilize the league, first and foremost, which would stabilize ESPN's investment. Otherwise, it doesnt make sense to sign a GOR that is effective immediately, for a network, if theres no network. If you're going to have a GOR for a network, shouldnt it cover the period that the network exists?
.

(07-19-2016 08:23 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:18 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  If they did join, working out the schedule details with pods, divisions, etc. would be a real headache.

which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Great. That is not a plus. Already had them. A lot of you guys strive for status quo rather than wanting to maximize assets.

That's why you all are celebrating signing another gor to get the network while completely ignoring that the previous gor extension was supposed to accomplish that

First of all, I have sided with Nole a lot. I have always said that the ACC needed to "maximize its assets". Secondly, the original GOR was to preserve the ACC & reportedly came with the $45 million guarantee for no network. Thirdly, depending on the details this is great for the ACC & FSU. Let's hear the details before we pass judgment. This is sounding like everything ($) that we have wanted but it could prove to be false propaganda, let's wait & see.

(07-19-2016 08:34 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:23 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:31 AM)green Wrote:  which explains the push for deregulation ...

THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE

A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Great. That is not a plus. Already had them. A lot of you guys strive for status quo rather than wanting to maximize assets.

That's why you all are celebrating signing another gor to get the network while completely ignoring that the previous gor extension was supposed to accomplish that

Says who, YOU? I was under the impression that the first GOR was to stabilize the league, first and foremost, which would stabilize ESPN's investment. Otherwise, it doesnt make sense to sign a GOR that is effective immediately, for a network, if theres no network. If you're going to have a GOR for a network, shouldnt it cover the period that the network exists?
.

Said everybody. How quickly you forget. And you were probably one of those on here saying the network is coming with that gor extension

(07-19-2016 08:59 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:34 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:23 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:24 AM)Ragu Wrote:  A push that failed because the acc sucks at getting things done

The ACC got FSU to sign a GOR till 2036, it got that done.

Great. That is not a plus. Already had them. A lot of you guys strive for status quo rather than wanting to maximize assets.

That's why you all are celebrating signing another gor to get the network while completely ignoring that the previous gor extension was supposed to accomplish that

Says who, YOU? I was under the impression that the first GOR was to stabilize the league, first and foremost, which would stabilize ESPN's investment. Otherwise, it doesnt make sense to sign a GOR that is effective immediately, for a network, if theres no network. If you're going to have a GOR for a network, shouldnt it cover the period that the network exists?
.

Said everybody. How quickly you forget. And you were probably one of those on here saying the network is coming with that gor extension

Yeah, you got me dude. Im busted.

(07-19-2016 08:06 AM)7fielder Wrote:  Question for Terry D? Would you rather see ND win a National Championship as a full member of the ACC? Or know that they would never win a NC again but be assured by God that they will be independent until the end of time?

I would rather ND win a national championship as a football independent. That is what I want. Maybe, several of them.

I don't think that the lack of conference membership is that big of a playoff issue (not as big as others want it to be), so you present a false question in my mind.

I don't think it is an "either/or" issue.

If a P4 conference champs only setup occurs, ND will join the ACC five minutes later and I will have to live with it.

But if not, status quo will exist and ND will try to win NC's without a conference affiliation.

To answer your false either/or question, it is a close one but I will take the second part.

I would rather ND stay an independent and not win an NC than join the ACC in football to win one.

Why?

Because, to me, if ND has to surrender and to conform to what everyone else is doing rather than chart its own path and do what it wants to do, what really is the point?

If you have to change your identity and goals that much to be just like everyone else to win an NC, it may not be worth it.

I would rather ND be the rock in the stream, go against the grain, and win an NC its way.

That would be much, much more enjoyable. Well, to me anyway.

(07-19-2016 08:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  McMurphy on Louisville ESPN radio. His points:

1) The ACC GOR extension is the bigger deal, keeps ACC safe in next round of realignment. ACC will be among the hunters instead of the hunted.

2) Extending the ND agreement strengthens the ACC. IF they join a conference it has to be the ACC.

3) Conferences going to 9 games won't effect ND, they all will make room for them.

4) The ACCN will be similar to the SECN setup, won't be like the B1GN or the PACN.

5) He doesn't know the details of the agreement or the financials.

6) There has to be ways to tweak the agreement, lookins & such. Over 20 years, both sides would want ways to make adjustments.

7) While ND is a partial in the ACC, 9 games is unlikely. With ACC teams having rivals & ND there wouldn't be any scheduling flexibility.

8) The commish will announce the ACCN this week.

9) 2019 is the latest, slight possibility for 2018 launch.

Podcast?