(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times are we going to watch something like this happen and do nothing?

Want to take guns away from the cops Fit?

Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Can you at least wait an entire working day before making the assumption there won't be an independent investigation?

Girlfriend speaks out.

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/07/they_tre..._shooting/

I gotta say, I don't plan on getting pulled over enough to have a set procedure for every little thing I do, though I also haven't been transporting a gun. This is an issue if more people are going to have concealed carry and have the gun in their pocket - which seems the most likely place to have it - and also have their wallet (with ID) in their pocket. How does one take out the ID without getting shot? In most cases it wouldn't happen, but that doesn't help you if you end up with the jumpy cop.

(07-07-2016 02:51 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Want to take guns away from the cops Fit?

Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Can you at least wait an entire working day before making the assumption there won't be an independent investigation?

When did I ever make that assumption?

(07-07-2016 02:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:51 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Can you at least wait an entire working day before making the assumption there won't be an independent investigation?

When did I ever make that assumption?

(07-07-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times are we going to watch something like this happen and do nothing?

Quote:Response was swift Thursday morning. Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton said in a release that he had requested the U.S. Department of Justice “begin an immediate independent federal investigation into this matter.” State officials began their own investigation overnight, he added. Dayton said he will do “everything in my power to help protect the integrity of that investigation, to ensure a proper and just outcome for all involved.”

Officials said the Justice Department “ will continue to monitor the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigation ... and will independently assess what further action may be warranted.”

http://www.startribune.com/aftermath-of-...5861101/#1

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times are we going to watch something like this happen and do nothing?

Want to take guns away from the cops Fit?

Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

(07-07-2016 03:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:51 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Can you at least wait an entire working day before making the assumption there won't be an independent investigation?

When did I ever make that assumption?

(07-07-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times are we going to watch something like this happen and do nothing?

I was talking about the people in this forum. Not the authorities in that state or jurisdiciton.

(07-07-2016 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:51 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Can you at least wait an entire working day before making the assumption there won't be an independent investigation?

When did I ever make that assumption?

(07-07-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times are we going to watch something like this happen and do nothing?

I was talking about the people in this forum. Not the authorities in that state or jurisdiciton.

then why don't you get busy. do something.

(07-07-2016 03:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Want to take guns away from the cops Fit?

Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

(07-07-2016 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Did I say that?

Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

(07-07-2016 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Well what do you want to do? Obviously the evil gun did this, not the trigger happy cop.

I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

(07-07-2016 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I want what every other reasonable person would ask for. An independent investigation.

Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

I agree with you 100 percent. I think that we should pay cops more money and require at least a college degree.

That said, my brother in law is a cop. He has no degree and he makes double what I make and we started at the same time.

You all seem to have already determined that the officer was in the wrong here. While he might well be we don't at this point have anything but the girlfriends account of what happened and video after the incident. The officer may offer a version of events that differs significantly from her version. If he was wearing a body camera that could as well. I think we need more information. I'm just saying.

(07-07-2016 03:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Investigating every one of them after its over isn't a solution.

Preventing them. Thats what we should work on.

True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

I agree with you 100 percent. I think that we should pay cops more money and require at least a college degree.

That said, my brother in law is a cop. He has no degree and he makes double what I make and we started at the same time.

A college degree doesn't really mean ****.

I know plenty of dumb people with a college degree. I put almost no effort into college and graduated with a 3.5 GPA. Most college degrees are not hard to get.

They certainly don't give you an preparation for how to act when you think your life is in danger. I don't think it is necessarily a lack of formal education causing these, it's the perception that people that look a certain way are dangerous. Black people commit crimes at far higher levels than other races. You can rationalize why all you want, that isn't what this is about, just the simple fact that you see far more blacks on the news involved in robberies, shootings, etc. creates the perception that they're more dangerous than other races. That always lives in the back of people's minds. It doesn't make them racist, it makes them cautious, which sometimes leads to bad decisions.

(07-07-2016 03:57 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  True, it's just hard to work on preventing something when so many people don't think there's a problem to work on.

Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

I agree with you 100 percent. I think that we should pay cops more money and require at least a college degree.

That said, my brother in law is a cop. He has no degree and he makes double what I make and we started at the same time.

A college degree doesn't really mean ****.

I know plenty of dumb people with a college degree. I put almost no effort into college and graduated with a 3.5 GPA. Most college degrees are not hard to get.

Having a college degree has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with a significant investment of time and money. Something someone considered before making a rash decision while in the work place. This is just one of many reasons a college degree should be considered.

(07-07-2016 03:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:57 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Its sloppy police work. Cops need to be trained better.

Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

I agree with you 100 percent. I think that we should pay cops more money and require at least a college degree.

That said, my brother in law is a cop. He has no degree and he makes double what I make and we started at the same time.

A college degree doesn't really mean ****.

I know plenty of dumb people with a college degree. I put almost no effort into college and graduated with a 3.5 GPA. Most college degrees are not hard to get.

Having a college degree has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with a significant investment of time and money. Something someone considered before making a rash decision while in the work place. This is just one of many reasons a college degree should be considered.

A college degree is proof for employers that you can put up with 4 years of chaotic BS and still accomplish something.

(07-07-2016 04:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:57 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Good luck with that. Being a cop is largely a thankless job with low pay. Combine that with the danger factor and you aren't going to have the best and brightest lining up for the profession.

Sure you have feel good stories about cops doing great things and the community thanking them, but day to day, you mostly deal with miserable people that don't want anything to do with you / are angry with you.

Some police agencies have actually turned away the brightest applicants because they think they're more likely to become unhappy and look for a new job. Training cops is expensive, so they want to minimize turnover as much as possible even if it means taking lower quality applicants that they think will be less likely to quit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95836&...v-OZSNWplw

I agree with you 100 percent. I think that we should pay cops more money and require at least a college degree.

That said, my brother in law is a cop. He has no degree and he makes double what I make and we started at the same time.

A college degree doesn't really mean ****.

I know plenty of dumb people with a college degree. I put almost no effort into college and graduated with a 3.5 GPA. Most college degrees are not hard to get.

Having a college degree has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with a significant investment of time and money. Something someone considered before making a rash decision while in the work place. This is just one of many reasons a college degree should be considered.

A college degree is proof for employers that you can put up with 4 years of chaotic BS and still accomplish something.

Among other things.

I think states should train police officers at central locations under one set of standards.

(07-07-2016 05:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I think states should train police officers at central locations under one set of standards.

DC? We should have one national police force.