(06-20-2016 08:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 04:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  You are sadly mistaken if you think anyone in Atlanta would shed tears or genuflect some star if any of Atlanta's pro sports team won a title. Again, if UGA won sure but that is the only comparable situation. Even if teams are losers, it doesn't psychology depress the fans or or the failure seen as a metaphor of the city.

You know Houston isn't exactly the most passionate place about sports but we want to see our teams win, even if a few want to see the same for Texas A&M and Texas even more. I'm sure Atlanta fans are more than used to disappointment, what with having 3 teams for about 50 years and 1 title, despite numerous opportunities.

Would Atlantans like their teams to win? Sure, but no one shed a tear when the Thrashers left. Many Braves fans pretty fairweather during the 98-06 run of success and the Hawks will never regain the loyalty they used to have before the team traded Dominique. I watched Believeland and listened to the fans after the Cavs won and they were saying things like I can finally die happy and I've waited all my life for this moment. There is only one team that I think would generate similar feelings around here and they were Silver Britches.

That's why I think finding an entire city with a similar complex is difficult, because what is left are desperate fan bases. Despite all the titles Chicago's had, to include recent success with the Blackhawks and White Sox, everyone is waiting for the Cubs. It was similar with Boston, the other championships paled in comparison to the Red Sox winning. Philly and Buffalo are my two. While MSP does have the drought qualification, I don't know if they meet the desperation part. I'd have to ask MplsBison to render a verdict.

I feel the same way about Houston but you are more familiarity with the area. Would the Cowboys winning a Super Bowl overshadow anything the Texans, Astros or Rockets could accomplish?

(06-20-2016 08:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 02:50 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Minneapolis currently has the longest drought among cities with at least three teams, with their last win being the Twins in 91. The Twins came close a couple of times since, The Wolves got close once when Garnett was the MVP, the Vikings had the Super Bowl in their hands in 1998 and their kicker missed a chip shot field goal, the first kick of any kind he had missed all year, and the Wild... well they were born since then.

With the longest current drought, having to watch their hockey team leave town and then win a championship (something they shared with Cleveland), with 4 super bowl losses, a fluke super bowl miss, and constant threats of having their baseball team contracted for about a decade, I think Minneapolis has Houston beat for this.

Sorry C2

Even if the Vikings beat the Falcons, they still had to go through John Elway's Broncos in his swan song. Nothing was guaranteed at all.

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And do I need to list all of Houston's heartbreaks?

So If Houston suffers loss BEFORE a championship game, it is heartbreak. If Atlanta suffers a loss prior to the championship game, it doesn't matter because there was no guarantee they would have won it all? the Houston "heartbreaks" you keep pointing out, were NOT in championship games. C'mon now...

I'm obviously biased, but I don't think anyone left can compare to Mpls. Of course, it depends on the criteria. Mpls would probably fail Corbett's three pronged criteria, for sucking too much.

1998 was bad, but also don't forget about Vikings 2009! Pretty much should've had that one won ... then, well y'all know ...

Favre should not have come back the next year. He knew it. But it just wasn't going to happen.

(06-21-2016 10:08 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm obviously biased, but I don't think anyone left can compare to Mpls. Of course, it depends on the criteria. Mpls would probably fail Corbett's three pronged criteria, for sucking too much.

Technically no, however I think the league trying to take away the Twins, WHILE they making playoff runs, being the consistent biatch of the New York Yankees, The Wolves inability to get out of the first round, and watching two star power forwards leave and win titles elsewhere, and the Vikings losing a heartbreaker in 98, losing a close game to the greatest show on Turf in 99, getting blown out by a Giants team in the conference finals who got blasted in the superbowl the following year, then having to rely on your most bitter enemy to lead you to the promise land, only for him to choke in the conference finals, and having the history of four super bowl losses already.... I 'd say if anyone deserves a waiver to qualify, it's the Twin Cities.

(06-21-2016 10:08 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm obviously biased, but I don't think anyone left can compare to Mpls. Of course, it depends on the criteria. Mpls would probably fail Corbett's three pronged criteria, for sucking too much.

1998 was bad, but also don't forget about Vikings 2009! Pretty much should've had that one won ... then, well y'all know ...

Favre should not have come back the next year. He knew it. But it just wasn't going to happen.

So what you're saying is that if the Vikes even win a Super Bowl, tears of joy will be shed from Mankato to Duluth. That's really all the qualification you need.

Think about this, the state of NC has a Stanley Cup winning team in the Hurricanes who have been here less time than we have had the more traditional teams of the Panthers/NFL and the Hornets/NBA ... of which only the Panthers have even made it to the Superbowl tiwce going 0-2, The Canes are 1-1 in Stanley cups, and the Hornets are 0-0 in the NBA Finals. How can NC be such a great state for collegiate and high school basketball yet have a sucky NBA team LOL.

(06-21-2016 10:08 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm obviously biased, but I don't think anyone left can compare to Mpls. Of course, it depends on the criteria. Mpls would probably fail Corbett's three pronged criteria, for sucking too much.

1998 was bad, but also don't forget about Vikings 2009! Pretty much should've had that one won ... then, well y'all know ...

Favre should not have come back the next year. He knew it. But it just wasn't going to happen.

No offense, I like Ad as a poster but how the **** are you gonna tell people how miserable or how tough their experience is? You can feel how you want as an outsider, it's all you can do but you don't know what it's like (speaking not just of myself but of others as well, such as MLPSB and his sports experience). Houston has had a tough go at it, they just don't hype it up and do 30-for-30's on it like the Cubs and Red Sox. You don't have to see/hear a ton of media hype to try and understand or at least respect how others feel.

(06-21-2016 06:37 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  No offense, I like Ad as a poster but how the **** are you gonna tell people how miserable or how tough their experience is? You can feel how you want as an outsider, it's all you can do but you don't know what it's like (

Who told you how you should feel? We were discussing who has had the most misery, or the new longest drought as a city/region in terms of professional championships. They only thing I said was, why do you discount a team coming close if they didn't make the championship in Minnesota, when nearly all of your gripes in Houston are about teams that lost... before the championship in heartbreak as well? That's not telling you how to feel: that is poking holes in your logic.


In either case, every major city (using the definition of having at least three teams, so that you have enough teams to utterly share in the msiery) has at least one championship since the 1990's, so no one has a drought like Cleveland did until a couple of nights ago. No one knows misery like your own, but if you can't see the difference between a city not winning a title in so long it predates the Super Bowl, and a city who had back to back titles a bit more than 20 years ago, I am not sure what to say. THAT is why Cleveland's plight was so bad.

Relax C2. I wasn't saying that Houston fans don't experience heartache. I was only saying that Minnesota fans experience more.

(06-22-2016 03:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Relax C2. I wasn't saying that Houston fans don't experience heartache. I was only saying that Minnesota fans experience more.

I was talking about Adcorbett. He gets this on these tangents as if whatever he says is authoritative and nothing else is rational.

(06-22-2016 09:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Who told you how you should feel? We were discussing who has had the most misery, or the new longest drought as a city/region in terms of professional championships. They only thing I said was, why do you discount a team coming close if they didn't make the championship in Minnesota, when nearly all of your gripes in Houston are about teams that lost... before the championship in heartbreak as well? That's not telling you how to feel: that is poking holes in your logic.

Are you dense? Why does it matter if it was in the championship round? Ask any Houston sports fan that lived through the NLCS losses with the World Series directly on the line or the Oilers chokes, especially the Buffalo/Kansas City chokes and the continued frustrations over the years.

I'm saying who are you to speak to anyone's experience? You can create any personal criteria you want but it doesn't change people's emotions and experiences.

(06-22-2016 09:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  In either case, every major city (using the definition of having at least three teams, so that you have enough teams to utterly share in the msiery) has at least one championship since the 1990's, so no one has a drought like Cleveland did until a couple of nights ago. No one knows misery like your own, but if you can't see the difference between a city not winning a title in so long it predates the Super Bowl, and a city who had back to back titles a bit more than 20 years ago, I am not sure what to say. THAT is why Cleveland's plight was so bad.

So? Again, you're using this pre-determined criteria like it means something. The Rockets titles brought years of goodwill, over a decade of it probably but the Houston sports landscape has been bare of accomplishment and filled with disappointment.

Imagine if you applied this to other situations in life. You say "hey, that person had a girlfriend for awhile, that should sustain them for the rest of their life and they can't know the loneliness of someone who was married for a few months years earlier." They both can know some serious loneliness, regardless of whatever locked in definition you want to throw in.

So just stop, you sound like one of those people that supposedly know what it's like to live in a place based on pictures, a smattering of research and testitmonials (and perhaps a little minor personal experience). I'm not asking for any pity myself despite the OP but I'm saying I'm done fake crying for other places when the teams I root for have had more than their own share of disappointments.

(06-22-2016 10:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Are you dense? Why does it matter if it was in the championship round? Ask any Houston sports fan that lived through the NLCS losses with the World Series directly on the line or the Oilers chokes, especially the Buffalo/Kansas City chokes and the continued frustrations over the years.

Am I dense? YOU are the one who stated the Vikings heartbreak wasn't that big of a deal because they still had to play the Broncos. YOU said this. I commented on the Houston heartaches not being championship games, because THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT YOU MADE. NOT me. SMDH

(06-22-2016 10:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm saying who are you to speak to anyone's experience? You can create any personal criteria you want but it doesn't change people's emotions and experiences.

WTF are you talking about? I never said this is how YOU determine it, and demanded others to abide by it. I said this is how I would describe heartbreak, and responded to someone who commented on it, and if his teams would fit that definition. That was not me Pre-determining it: that was me answering his question, and we responded back and forth. No one told YOU how to feel, or was authoritative about it. We were having a conversation You made that interpretation all on your own. And that is your problem, not mine. And I'll be damned if you are going to call me names because you can't ******* read.

(06-22-2016 10:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 09:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  In either case, every major city (using the definition of having at least three teams, so that you have enough teams to utterly share in the msiery) has at least one championship since the 1990's, so no one has a drought like Cleveland did until a couple of nights ago. No one knows misery like your own, but if you can't see the difference between a city not winning a title in so long it predates the Super Bowl, and a city who had back to back titles a bit more than 20 years ago, I am not sure what to say. THAT is why Cleveland's plight was so bad.

So? Again, you're using this pre-determined criteria like it means something. The Rockets titles brought years of goodwill, over a decade of it probably but the Houston sports landscape has been bare of accomplishment and filled with disappointment.

Again, I was responding to a comment made about the definition I created. So of course I can say that. You need to read better, as I was not talking to you. I answered someone else who was commenting on what I described. The only thing I added was the "three teams" bit, but that was not something I made up. That was the argument made, nationally, by media discussing the droughts of cities.

(06-22-2016 10:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Imagine if you applied this to other situations in life. You say "hey, that person had a girlfriend for awhile, that should sustain them for the rest of their life and they can't know the loneliness of someone who was married for a few months years earlier." They both can know some serious loneliness, regardless of whatever locked in definition you want to throw in.

would that be like where I said, "No one knows misery like your own" which you quoted?

(06-22-2016 10:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So just stop, you sound like one of those people that supposedly know what it's like to live in a place based on pictures,

I will just end this, by telling you to back the **** up, and actually read what the hell is being stated. You made a lot of statements about things I never said, and jumped in on a conversation that was not about you, and made it about you. I never claimed these things. I created a definition of how I would describe heartache, and responded to someone who asked me about it. The only thing I said to you, which is ironic because you tried to say how silly this claim was, and you was your ******* idea, was that it was silly for you to discount the misery of Vikings fans, because they still had more games to win, when ALL of your examples were also not championship games. Why did I say they needed to be championship games: Because that was the goddamned argument YOU made.

Ima just step off here. You need to pipe down, and pay attention before you jump on someone's stack. You made these dumb ass comments, I just called you out on it.

Sigh, it's getting harder and harder to go back and forth with you. Anyways, you're entitled to feel how you feel but it is irrelevant to how people's emotions are. It's not as easy as just creating a set criteria of what defines a certain level of heartbreak and what doesn't; pain is pain and tough pills to swallow are tough pills to swallow.

You seemed to make out Houston's level of heartbreak as if it was nothing compared to other places as if it doesn't belong in the conversation and just based on easily subjective criteria. Whatever, I'm not asking for anyways pity, other than sarcastically but I have to say you're wrong on this one.

Finally, after looking again, I don't know where I argued the championship round was the line of demarcation for a certain level of pain, can you quote it for me?

(06-23-2016 08:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You seemed to make out Houston's level of heartbreak as if it was nothing compared to other places as if it doesn't belong in the conversation and just based on easily subjective criteria. Whatever, I'm not asking for anyways pity, other than sarcastically but I have to say you're wrong on this one.

I am only replying to this for one reason. I never once said that Houston'sot heartbreak was not real. I pointed out specifically that you saying if Minnesota had won the game I mentioned as heartbreak, you mentioned how it should be discounted because they may not have won the last game. Which leads to

(06-23-2016 08:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Finally, after looking again, I don't know where I argued the championship round was the line of demarcation for a certain level of pain, can you quote it for me?

See above. This is specifically where you said it, or at least where you jumped on me for pointing out you said it. Whether you intended to or not, you basically stated that heartbreak isn't real unless it is in the title game, where you KNOW what would happen championship wise, if said event were reversed. So again, you can crawl in the corner and STFU, I don;t care, but all of your bitching was about your own making, and I am calling you out for it, and pointing out your own stupidity for not realizing you started the argument you are railing against. And if you don't like it, stop making dumb arguments.And I don't like insulting another black man's intelligence, but you are utterly in the wrong here on so many levels, and you need to be held accountable for it.

Either directly quote something as proof or I didn't do it. I don't see anywhere in this thread where I actually said it or implied it but if you can show me proof, then you can sway me. Otherwise, all of the insults are for nothing.

(06-24-2016 01:23 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Either directly quote something as proof or I didn't do it. I don't see anywhere in this thread where I actually said it or implied it but if you can show me proof, then you can sway me. Otherwise, all of the insults are for nothing.

..... So you don't remember this?

(06-20-2016 08:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 02:50 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  With the longest current drought, having to watch their hockey team leave town and then win a championship (something they shared with Cleveland), with 4 super bowl losses, a fluke super bowl miss, and constant threats of having their baseball team contracted for about a decade, I think Minneapolis has Houston beat for this.

Sorry C2

Even if the Vikings beat the Falcons, they still had to go through John Elway's Broncos in his swan song. Nothing was guaranteed at all.

And by the way, Houston, which is in the land where football is emperor, lost an original AFL franchise. So spare me from having much sympathy for Minnesota losing teams, having seen a championship round in every sport, including the NBA (the Minneapolis Lakers). Technically, they've won league titles in every sport except hockey, which is obviously a significant hole for them. The Vikings were 1969 NFL champions.

And do I need to list all of Houston's heartbreaks? They don't do a 30-for-30 on it unless they focus on the other team like the NC State one or the "4 Falls of Buffalo."

I will also add that here, you are telling Minnesota fans how to feel, the way you claimed I was you.

Which shows you lost everything in translation. I was just saying that even if the Vikings had beaten the Falcons to go to the Super Bowl, they still had to go through the Broncos that year. The subject of Minny and it's misery had nothing to do with it AND if anything it enhances my point, as that was a pre-championship round failure/heartbreak.

As for the last quote, I was referring your comment about them losing their hockey team which Houston could relate to by having lost the Oilers. At the end you said "sorry C2," Houston can't compare. Perhaps that's true as its all opinionated but Houston has had similar heartbreaks as the examples you named and the exact same amount of titles, unless you count the Lakers.

And as I said, I'm not looking for any sympathy because this is a minor issue of life but on other hand it's just silly to downplay it by looking through the lens of some pre-determined criteria and ignore emotions people have gone through in real life. Perhaps you're trolling me and I don't realize it and if so, good job.

(06-24-2016 09:45 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Which shows you lost everything in translation. I was just saying that even if the Vikings had beaten the Falcons to go to the Super Bowl, they still had to go through the Broncos that year. The subject of Minny and it's misery had nothing to do with it AND if anything it enhances my point, as that was a pre-championship round failure/heartbreak. Perhaps you're trolling me and I don't realize it and if so, good job.

I didn't lose it in translation. You said this one post after you told someone else they were wrong, about who had the most misery, which is the very thing you are doing now, and a few posts after explaining Houston's misery, almost of which happened in spots where even if they won... they'd still have to beat more teams to actually win.

Are you trolling me? Because you cannot possibly be this ignorant of your own posts, and what you yourself said, especially when the words are there for you to review. Do you realize you set out to chastise me for what you claimed I authoritatively claimed, and it was you who was doing it all along. I feel like I am chasing a Scooby Doo villain in a cheap mask.

(06-24-2016 10:58 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I didn't lose it in translation. You said this one post after you told someone else they were wrong, about who had the most misery, which is the very thing you are doing now, and a few posts after explaining Houston's misery, almost of which happened in spots where even if they won... they'd still have to beat more teams to actually win.

Are you trolling me? Because you cannot possibly be this ignorant of your own posts, and what you yourself said, especially when the words are there for you to review. Do you realize you set out to chastise me for what you claimed I authoritatively claimed, and it was you who was doing it all along. I feel like I am chasing a Scooby Doo villain in a cheap mask.

Apparently you did lose it in translation, something is obviously not sinking in for you to not understand what I was saying. That point about the Broncos, Vikings and Falcons is unrelated to anything else we've been discussing in this thread and is a minor sidenote. I honestly don't know why that's so hard to understand. All I did was make a correction, not make any argument that mattered to anything in the grand scheme of things.

(06-24-2016 01:34 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  All I did was make a correction, not make any argument that mattered to anything in the grand scheme of things.

Said correction, when applied to your own argument, whether you intended to or not, undermines it. The fact that you don't understand that: not my problem. Second, this entire thing was supposedly about me telling you how to feel about misery. That NEVER happened, as you say point it out, and your misunderstanding... again, not my problem. But YOU started all of this, and then had the nerve to get pissy about it, when it was you not even realizing your own argument was being thrown back at you. It wasn't lost in translation: you just failed to grasp someone applying your own argument to your own words. AND that was a case of YOU telling a Vikings fan how to feel, and you had the nerve to accuse me of it. Why this is so hard for YOU to understand, I don't know.

I'm done with you in this thread. You're far more intelligent than you're acting (you still don't get it). Yeah, I accellarated things with that F-bomb for certain but that doesn't change the fact you're missing the point.