If your child wound up in Lake Erie, do you think you should have been charged for neglect?

The lesson is simple, schit happens. Luckily, this child here was unharmed as yours was. The only thing this is going to lead to is leash laws for kids.
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Then you would run into more problems with people that don't like them.

This reminds me of a time that my ex-wife and I went to the lake to have a birthday picnic with my 4 year old. A man and his wife and their kid who had a bad case of ADD and was on a leash suddenly got loose and ran to our table, picked up a birthday chocolate cake that we were going to sing Happy Birthday to my son and ran and threw the cake into the lake. It happened in an instant. All of us including the kids parents stood agape. They apologized profusely and all we could do was accept their apology minus a birthday cake.

(06-01-2016 11:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The lesson is simple, schit happens. Luckily, this child here was unharmed as yours was. The only thing this is going to lead to is leash laws for kids.

The kids I know who's parents used leashed on them all turned out to be holy terrors as they grew older. Not so much because of the leash but because the leash was a sign of the parent's lack of discipline for the child.

(06-01-2016 06:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If your child wound up in Lake Erie, do you think you should have been charged for neglect?

The lesson is simple, schit happens. Luckily, this child here was unharmed as yours was. The only thing this is going to lead to is leash laws for kids.

Then you would run into more problems with people that don't like them.

This reminds me of a time that my ex-wife and I went to the lake to have a birthday picnic with my 4 year old. A man and his wife and their kid who had a bad case of ADD and was on a leash suddenly got loose and ran to our table, picked up a birthday chocolate cake that we were going to sing Happy Birthday to my son and ran and threw the cake into the lake. It happened in an instant. All of us including the kids parents stood agape. They apologized profusely and all we could do was accept their apology minus a birthday cake.
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You should have thrown the family into the lake.

The zoo should have thrown the parents into the gorilla cage.

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

I'm sorry, but you can build a gorilla enclosure to be able to resist a 4 year old kid pretty easily. Fact is the zoo might be sued and frankly they deserve to be!!! Luckily the 15 foot fall alone didn't kill the kid. Which brings up a good point. What if the boy had fallen into the enclosure and died upon impact...No gorilla...no shooting, how then would you feel? I bet you would be blaming the zoo, am I right?

#blackgorillasmatter

(06-01-2016 09:08 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

I'm sorry, but you can build a gorilla enclosure to be able to resist a 4 year old kid pretty easily. Fact is the zoo might be sued and frankly they deserve to be!!! Luckily the 15 foot fall alone didn't kill the kid. Which brings up a good point. What if the boy had fallen into the enclosure and died upon impact...No gorilla...no shooting, how then would you feel? I bet you would be blaming the zoo, am I right?

40 years and *1* kid got over the 4 foot steel fence and through the bushes. How many millions of kids have visited that zoo and not a single incident! I'd say it's not fool proof but that's a pretty good track record.

As to, would I want the zoo sued if the fall had killed the kid then no, I don't think automatically the zoo is at fault.

The zoo keepers were trained in animal psychology and are specifically trained in reckonizing aggression. Gorillas are super strong but also predictable. It's just math people. They have to try and save the child. Thank God someone had a gun and was a good aim.

(06-01-2016 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:08 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

I'm sorry, but you can build a gorilla enclosure to be able to resist a 4 year old kid pretty easily. Fact is the zoo might be sued and frankly they deserve to be!!! Luckily the 15 foot fall alone didn't kill the kid. Which brings up a good point. What if the boy had fallen into the enclosure and died upon impact...No gorilla...no shooting, how then would you feel? I bet you would be blaming the zoo, am I right?

40 years and *1* kid got over the 4 foot steel fence and through the bushes. How many millions of kids have visited that zoo and not a single incident! I'd say it's not fool proof but that's a pretty good track record.

As to, would I want the zoo sued if the fall had killed the kid then no, I don't think automatically the zoo is at fault.

*1* determined kid. This zoo is lucky this had never happened before. Obviously not because of the "world class engineers" who designed the enclosure. To leave something so vulnerable that a 4 year old could figure it out? SMH!!! Kid's lucky to be alive. No moat present, He'd be dead right now, then we wouldn't have to listen to this Harambe bull****.

(06-01-2016 10:58 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:08 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

I'm sorry, but you can build a gorilla enclosure to be able to resist a 4 year old kid pretty easily. Fact is the zoo might be sued and frankly they deserve to be!!! Luckily the 15 foot fall alone didn't kill the kid. Which brings up a good point. What if the boy had fallen into the enclosure and died upon impact...No gorilla...no shooting, how then would you feel? I bet you would be blaming the zoo, am I right?

40 years and *1* kid got over the 4 foot steel fence and through the bushes. How many millions of kids have visited that zoo and not a single incident! I'd say it's not fool proof but that's a pretty good track record.

As to, would I want the zoo sued if the fall had killed the kid then no, I don't think automatically the zoo is at fault.

*1* determined kid. This zoo is lucky this had never happened before. Obviously not because of the "world class engineers" who designed the enclosure. To leave something so vulnerable that a 4 year old could figure it out? SMH!!! Kid's lucky to be alive. No moat present, He'd be dead right now, then we wouldn't have to listen to this Harambe bull****.

It's not the zoo's fault, its society's. It's not the mother's fault, it's the neighborhood.

(06-01-2016 10:58 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  *1* determined kid. This zoo is lucky this had never happened before. Obviously not because of the "world class engineers" who designed the enclosure. To leave something so vulnerable that a 4 year old could figure it out?

I spend a lot of time in zoos. And tbh 90% of the exhibits I've seen could be overcome by a determined kid.

The zoo is more than 140 years old, the exhibit is nearly 40 years old. Old zoos are terribly hard to "child proof"

Hell at the twin cities zoo 3 gorillas managed to leave their enclosure back in 2014.

Quote:SMH!!! Kid's lucky to be alive. No moat present, He'd be dead right now,

Those engineers you were talking about a few minutes ago put it there...

(06-01-2016 11:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

Unfortunately, these days rules/barriers need to be in place to basically protect the stupid from themselves. It's the same reason a ladder has like 40 warning messages, etc. Stupid is as stupid does. Often times it pays to be really stupid as I imagine we'll find out in this case.

man, you nailed that one.....the disclaimer warnings only exist due to idiots and the ambulance chasing lawyers....

my fave these days is how commercials are developed when new drugs are introduced to market....it's like an auctioneer churning disclaimers after the first 10 seconds..."do not take 'X' if one has Y, Z, AA, AB. AC ----- ZZ....consult your doctor if one experiences '∞' symptoms due to taking 'X'"

this story coupled with how some have white knuckle lassoed onto the lunacy of debating 'responsibility' falls right in line with that comparative....

it is common sense that should be numero uno on the endangered species list....

(06-01-2016 11:56 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:58 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  *1* determined kid. This zoo is lucky this had never happened before. Obviously not because of the "world class engineers" who designed the enclosure. To leave something so vulnerable that a 4 year old could figure it out?

I spend a lot of time in zoos. And tbh 90% of the exhibits I've seen could be overcome by a determined kid.

The zoo is more than 140 years old, the exhibit is nearly 40 years old. Old zoos are terribly hard to "child proof"

Hell at the twin cities zoo 3 gorillas managed to leave their enclosure back in 2014.

Quote:SMH!!! Kid's lucky to be alive. No moat present, He'd be dead right now,

Those engineers you were talking about a few minutes ago put it there...

in tree huggin' blue minds, the only solution(s) I see that satisfies 'their' world would be to literally keep the kid on a leash (I do believe even they understand that is unacceptable) or child proof 'everything' to ad nauseam which would most certainly put the zoo out of business....of course the 'blue boys' would expect da gubberment to step in and develop a 4000 page manual coupled with subsidizing all additional expenses to develop and upgrade....that would be viewed as 'creating jobs'.....I'm thinking that would easily command 15 bucks per 60 minute tick tock....

hell, they may even demand another fed agency be created to oversee the apes in the cage as the apes view those both in and outside the cage....

jfc.....this is truly the dumbest story I should never have paid any attention to...

line 1b just will not go away....it's too late in the game to expect anything else...I know better, but dadgummit, it's still fun to point out the simple....

(06-01-2016 11:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

If your child wound up in Lake Erie, do you think you should have been charged for neglect?

The lesson is simple, schit happens. Luckily, this child here was unharmed as yours was. The only thing this is going to lead to is leash laws for kids.

And look what just popped in my news feed. I nailed this one.

http://via.wtkr.com/rOsWu

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(06-02-2016 07:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:45 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The problem is, it's stupid people like the lady and her child that ruin everything for everyone else....

How does the Zoo move forward? more rules? redesigning animal cages? Will they get another gorilla?

you can only stupid-proof a zoo so much...eventually, you hope that the visitors will have enough common sense to not jump in cages with animals

Wrong. If a 3 or 4-year-old child can climb into a gorilla cage in an instant, then the zoo should be held responsible for not having secure facilities.

People go to the zoo with a reasonable expectation that their children will not fall into a cage.

And zoos open their gates with a reasonable expectation that parents will watch their children. The only "in an instant" we have is the mother saying it happened in "an instant". To her, it might have felt like an instant but it could have been 30 seconds which is a big enough chunk of time for a 4yo to get into about anything.

The exhibit has not had a kid enter in the nearly 40 years since it was opened. I'd say that's a pretty good track record. If you have raised a 4yo you realize just how dastardly they can be.

I had a 3yo kid wake up, get out of a crib, get past a room full of adults by crawling out of site, get past a locked door and walk into lake Erie. Thank *GOD* that she did an about face to end up screaming at the front door. We could have lost her.

I'm not going to lay into the mother, the kid, or the zoo.

Mother: Sometimes you blink your eyes and a kid can up and vanish. Turn to take a picture of one of your kids and the others can run wild. I've taken three kids to a zoo by myself 2,6,7... It's nerve racking. Now that they are 4,9,11 trips to the zoo museum are far easier.

Kid: 4yo's are way more inginutive then we give them credit for. Kid proofing stuff is more or less a losing battle passed 3 years old.

Zoo: Nearly 40 years without incident and when the kid was in danger they did not hesitate to put down the Gorilla.

If your child wound up in Lake Erie, do you think you should have been charged for neglect?

The lesson is simple, schit happens. Luckily, this child here was unharmed as yours was. The only thing this is going to lead to is leash laws for kids.

And look what just popped in my news feed. I nailed this one.

http://via.wtkr.com/rOsWu

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I'm tellin' ya, there are some that are plagiarizing (stealing my lines)

I gotta stop doing this for free....

if I was conjoined to dim0=sum, I may believe I had a viable civil suit....