Yeah, the rumors I heard have nothing to do with next year, but possibilities for the next 2-3 years. I hear (again, take this as rumor) that a hanging point with both schools, is the desire to get a 2 for 1 from us. Something I don't think we want to do at this point.

I'm wondering if either or both the Central Michigan and Rhode Island games are money games? This schedule needs help. Twenty five games is rinky dinky!!

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  I'm wondering if either or both the Central Michigan and Rhode Island games are money games? This schedule needs help. Twenty five games is rinky dinky!!

(08-20-2016 12:49 PM)billymac Wrote:  So, if what you have collected here is correct, then that is 25 games. We generally schedule between 28-30 regular season games. That would leave 3-5 games that we don't have yet. Of course, one will be a D-III game, right after exams, so that leaves 2-4 D-1 games unaccounted for. I haven't heard any rumors about "in-state" games (UR and VCU are possibles for future years), but it could include a VMI or Norfolk State matchup.

I think there's your answer for the number of games. We're still probably trying to line up a couple of bus trips/home games in state.

Our big scheduling problem for getting attractive home games is that nobody wants to come to Williamsburg and lose to us! They (Tony & Athletic Dept) have tried everything!

And Billy Mac is correct: they are working very hard to get at least two home games a season from among
UR, VCU, George Mason and George Washington in a revolving home and home pattern.

The elephant in the room is the student schedule. Decent teams aren't interested in playing in semi empty venues. Wm and Mary won't go with COA let alone give financial incentives which makes sense. That leaves the tournaments and additional money games. The locals here, UCI, are going to South Dakota and El Paso for tournaments. This is a no brainer.

It is all about the money....teams now are looking to get paid to have an away game and that is not in our current budget model. Unless other schools are like us and need to fill holes in their schedule at the last minute then we are out of luck. This is how we got Central Michigan.

When VCU hired their newest coach he got money to buy home games for them according to the rumors. it is slim picking to get good teams to visit us after 3 straight 20 win season and the not so good teams are getting paid to play away at other schools who have a different model.

Our other option is to play in a decent tournament what give us good match ups but again we need the money for making that work.

Sad reality.

Good points MM. Many others in similar straits do so; we can also. In years past, we(UCI) have played LU in Huntsville TX and NSU Spartans in El Paso. The games are out there.

Looks like the ODU game is on 12/29 (perhaps this is old news).

This is unfortunate since it is right before the toughest stretch of the CAA schedule, not necessarily due to the opposition but because it requires 4 games in 8 days. And we will have to get from Norfolk to Boston between the 29th and 31st and get from Boston to NYC between the 31st and the 2nd.

With the ODU game it is now 5 games in 10 days.

And I think we really need a 4-0 start if we want to make a run at the regular season championship.

Our scheduling seems to be hurt by:

the long exam break
the lack of attendance when the kids are not there
Williamsburg not being a recruiting hot bed
the the unwillingness to buy a game and
the fact that we have become a difficult out.

Along with coach's salaries and a basketball facility, the lack of a solid home OOC continues to hold our program back. Good schedule increases enthusiasm increases student turnout develops a new generation of life-long fans (Kool-Aid addicts?)>

(08-30-2016 03:10 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  Looks like the ODU game is on 12/29 (perhaps this is old news).

This is unfortunate since it is right before the toughest stretch of the CAA schedule, not necessarily due to the opposition but because it requires 4 games in 8 days. And we will have to get from Norfolk to Boston between the 29th and 31st and get from Boston to NYC between the 31st and the 2nd.

With the ODU game it is now 5 games in 10 days.

And I think we really need a 4-0 start if we want to make a run at the regular season championship.

Our scheduling seems to be hurt by:

the long exam break
the lack of attendance when the kids are not there
Williamsburg not being a recruiting hot bed
the the unwillingness to buy a game and
the fact that we have become a difficult out.

Along with coach's salaries and a basketball facility, the lack of a solid home OOC continues to hold our program back. Good schedule increases enthusiasm increases student turnout develops a new generation of life-long fans (Kool-Aid addicts?)>

Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

(08-30-2016 03:45 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

Is that a new A-10 rule? Because it might explain UR's sudden reluctance to schedule a home and home with us (which is still bull**** btw)

(08-30-2016 03:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:45 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

Is that a new A-10 rule? Because it might explain UR's sudden reluctance to schedule a home and home with us (which is still bull**** btw)

It is easy to see who Richmond wants to play based on this unofficial BB schedule this year with them playing both Wake Forest and Texas Tech at HOME! However it is hard to understand why Richmond will not play us instead of VMI or Hampton at HOME plus they playing at JMU:

11/11 - VMI
11/14 - Old Dominion
11/20 - Robert Morris
11/22 - Hampton
12/3 - Wake Forest
12/17 - Texas Tech

12/20 - at James Madison

Teams like Richmond, and similar teams, don't want to play us for one reason: they don't want a loss to W&M
on their record.

(08-30-2016 03:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:45 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

Is that a new A-10 rule? Because it might explain UR's sudden reluctance to schedule a home and home with us (which is still bull**** btw)

A-10 rule is all about RPI. I don't understand all of it, since winning road games is actually the best way to build your RPI, but somehow they have gamed the system to the point where they think home games are critical for schools to boost their RPIs and of course their won loss record as well.

One thing UR offers schools that W&M doesn't, the Richmond market to draw their alums from to the game. I can see where a school would rather pay at UR then at the Hall.

Richmond has an aging base as far as alumni in Richmond, since the demographics for their student body went north 20+ years ago. Their attendance has been strong primarily because the renovated Robins Center is as nice of a venue for games as there is in the country and an easy draw for families and kids. I think they are faced with the same dilemma we are when it comes to attracting strong student turnout. Solid ticket sale numbers has not translated into a vocal/rowdy game environment.

I believe, besides the A10 affiliation, Richmond is still riding the coat tails of the Tarrant era and their past NCAA successes with name recognition. We are certainly continuing to move in the right direction, but it's going to take that NCAA breakthrough and some followup successes to solidify program/name recognition and open the doors a bit with respect to scheduling and future Kaplan games. Until then, it is what it is.

Interesting to look at an improved Howard team's away game schedule this year: Michigan, Marquette, Georgetown, GW, Maryland, Old Dominion, VCU, Harvard, among others. That will certainly bring money into their budget and prime opportunities for their players. With Georgetown, GW, Maryland and American, it, also, gives their local fan base great, additional attendance chances.

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(08-30-2016 03:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:45 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

Is that a new A-10 rule? Because it might explain UR's sudden reluctance to schedule a home and home with us (which is still bull**** btw)

Mason has done 6 OOC home games the past two seasons, and one of those was a D2. One game this season is a D3 school.

(09-02-2016 09:49 AM)Washingtonian Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:45 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  Win a CAA tournament and all is forgiven. If it was easy to build a good program at a school with high academic standards and little money to throw at the problem, we'd have done it years ago. Instead it is going to take a series of small steps. The important thing is we are consistently recruiting better players and we seem to have system that that works on the court and we can recruit for.

Look at some of the crap schedules JMU has had the last few years. One season loaded with OOC road games and the next lots of home games. The big question will be if the Tribe will do 2-1s with teams below UVA to get good home and away dates.

The A-10 requires at least 7 OOC home dates for its members. Davidson has bought crap games and then taken cash for a few road games to pay for the additional home games. As a season ticket holder I hate it, but the conference schedule is better than it ever was in the SoCon, so there are trade offs. But Davidson would never do home and home with the Tribe, because they need the home dates and they wouldn't buy a game from the Tribe because they can get other schools cheaper.

The one thing I can't stand are the DIII games, I'd rather Davidson sell the game and play on the road. They have gotten an exception from the A-10 rule about non-DI games each of their first two seasons in the league.

Is that a new A-10 rule? Because it might explain UR's sudden reluctance to schedule a home and home with us (which is still bull**** btw)

Mason has done 6 OOC home games the past two seasons, and one of those was a D2. One game this season is a D3 school.

Interesting note on Mason schedule. the Davidson coach in charge of scheduling is the one who said that they are supposed to have at least 7 OOC home games. Fordham got in trouble for not meeting this too many years in a row. With their dinky gym, they really can't afford to pay teams to come there.

Based upon past years, I'm thinking that we should be seeing the release of the entire bb schedule anytime now. Does anyone have an idea as to when it might be ready to be released?

(08-31-2016 09:59 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Richmond has an aging base as far as alumni in Richmond, since the demographics for their student body went north 20+ years ago. Their attendance has been strong primarily because the renovated Robins Center is as nice of a venue for games as there is in the country and an easy draw for families and kids. I think they are faced with the same dilemma we are when it comes to attracting strong student turnout. Solid ticket sale numbers has not translated into a vocal/rowdy game environment.

I believe, besides the A10 affiliation, Richmond is still riding the coat tails of the Tarrant era and their past NCAA successes with name recognition. We are certainly continuing to move in the right direction, but it's going to take that NCAA breakthrough and some followup successes to solidify program/name recognition and open the doors a bit with respect to scheduling and future Kaplan games. Until then, it is what it is.

Interesting to look at an improved Howard team's away game schedule this year: Michigan, Marquette, Georgetown, GW, Maryland, Old Dominion, VCU, Harvard, among others. That will certainly bring money into their budget and prime opportunities for their players. With Georgetown, GW, Maryland and American, it, also, gives their local fan base great, additional attendance chances.

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(09-10-2016 02:53 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Based upon past years, I'm thinking that we should be seeing the release of the entire bb schedule anytime now. Does anyone have an idea as to when it might be ready to be released?

Last year we had 9 OOC games with 4 home and 5 away disregarding the warmup game after exams. This year we have confirmed only 2 Home games and 6 away so looks like they are trying to get more home games lined up. We have the CAA schedule and the OOC is mostly known based on what is released by other schools. Here is the OOC schedule:

Play at Louisville Monday 11/14 6pm
Home Presbyterian 11/19
Play at Duke 11/23 7pm
Home Liberty 11/26
Play at Central Michigan 11/29 7pm
Play at Hampton 12/3 4pm
Worthless Division II or III after exams at Home?
Play at Rhode Island 12/22 7pm
Play at ODU 12/29 TBA time
Conference schedule starts at Northeastern 12/31!

Appears two final games still to be released, one the D3 exam game and a second home game against a decent team, awaiting approval from their new coach.

Tough year to catch Rhode Island. They are loaded. They should have two All-A10 1st teamers. That game, along with Duke and Louisville, will be a challenging gauntlet on the road.