(05-21-2016 01:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where was this generals speech rights? What he said didn't have anything to do with the college he was just stating a fact about protecting his daughter.

He triggered the divas.

(05-21-2016 01:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where was this generals speech rights? What he said didn't have anything to do with the college he was just stating a fact about protecting his daughter.

If you don't bow down and give them special privileges, consideration, and weight far beyond their numbers the Gaystapo will crush you.

(05-21-2016 03:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 01:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where was this generals speech rights? What he said didn't have anything to do with the college he was just stating a fact about protecting his daughter.

If you don't bow down and give them special privileges, consideration, and weight far beyond their numbers the Gaystapo will crush you.

Yep. Theyre very good at it. Many work in entertainment and media so they can make issues bigger than they really are.

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(05-21-2016 01:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where was this generals speech rights? What he said didn't have anything to do with the college he was just stating a fact about protecting his daughter.

Free speech doesn't mean you are protected from consequences from what you say. Ask Natalie Maines.

(05-13-2016 06:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  NC and Common Sense Win Round One!

Quote:Republican State Senate President Phil Berger said: “Today the Obama administration admitted what we have said all along — that their threat to withhold funding and bully North Carolinians into accepting their radical argument that men have a ‘civil right’ to use women’s bathrooms and shower facilities would have to be settled in court. We appreciate the Republican members of North Carolina’s U.S. House delegation for standing up for common sense and making clear that any attempt to withhold federal funding is without legal merit and would be an unprecedented overreach by the federal government.”

Of course Phil Berger is a royal *******, regardless of anything he has to say about HB2.

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.
Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.
This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony. This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

This is what should happen. There is ample room for reasonable compromise. Guarantee equal employment rights without the bathroom language. Bathrooms are private property. Let the property owner dictate. If Target wants to allow, let them. If Wal-Mart doesn't, let them not. Then let consumers make their choice. The free market is the most democratic institution known to mankind.

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

That is exactly what needs to happen. Remove the bathroom part and everyone will move on with the other LGBT protections of the Governors executive order. I know the SJW's will not be very happy..but..Lets face it. They are never going to be happy.

(05-22-2016 08:24 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

Funny, you dont seem to give a damned about economic losses when it comes to Obamacare. And those losses are a magnitude of over 1,000,000 higher than Maroon 5 not doing a concert.

(05-22-2016 10:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 08:24 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.

Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.

This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony.

This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

Funny, you dont seem to give a damned about economic losses when it comes to Obamacare. And those losses are a magnitude of over 1,000,000 higher than Maroon 5 not doing a concert.

Despite all it's problems, the ACA results in the creation of jobs and a reduction in the national debt.

As far as HB2's affect on my state's economy it is a heck of a lot more than one concert. Businesses are rerouting expansions to other states, conventions are looking elsewhere, tourists are going elsewhere, industries are dropping NC from their short lists of potential locations. But even the concerts are significant, be it Maroon 5, Bruce Springsteen, or Itzak Perlman. Restaurants, vendors, venues, hotels and the people that work for them all take a big financial hit.

(05-22-2016 10:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 08:24 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

Funny, you dont seem to give a damned about economic losses when it comes to Obamacare. And those losses are a magnitude of over 1,000,000 higher than Maroon 5 not doing a concert.

Despite all it's problems, the ACA results in the creation of jobs and a reduction in the national debt.

As far as HB2's affect on my state's economy it is a heck of a lot more than one concert. Businesses are rerouting expansions to other states, conventions are looking elsewhere, tourists are going elsewhere, industries are dropping NC from their short lists of potential locations. But even the concerts are significant, be it Maroon 5, Bruce Springsteen, or Itzak Perlman. Restaurants, vendors, venues, hotels and the people that work for them all take a big financial hit.

That is a bold faced lie and you should be embarrassed for even trotting that out. I said should, because you seem to expose your true believer status every time you post.

(05-22-2016 10:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 08:24 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

Funny, you dont seem to give a damned about economic losses when it comes to Obamacare. And those losses are a magnitude of over 1,000,000 higher than Maroon 5 not doing a concert.

Despite all it's problems, the ACA results in the creation of jobs and a reduction in the national debt.

As far as HB2's affect on my state's economy it is a heck of a lot more than one concert. Businesses are rerouting expansions to other states, conventions are looking elsewhere, tourists are going elsewhere, industries are dropping NC from their short lists of potential locations. But even the concerts are significant, be it Maroon 5, Bruce Springsteen, or Itzak Perlman. Restaurants, vendors, venues, hotels and the people that work for them all take a big financial hit.

The problem with the jobs created by this law are that they are predominately service jobs created by taxpayer subsidization. Nothing to particularly be proud of IMO.

As to the assertion the ACA has reduced the national debt? Well...It is being credited to be reducing the future deficits by around 300 billion. That is also nothing to be particularly proud of seeing as the debt projection over the next 10 years is around 7.9 trillion. That would mean the ACA has lowered that projection to around 7.6 trillion. The ACA has NOT done anything to reduce the national debt. It has slightly reduced some additional debt. I have to be honest. I doubt seriously this is true anyway. I don't trust the GAO one iota in its figures.

(05-22-2016 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seven weeks after 2 was passed, cancellations keep on coming.
Today, Maroon 5 cancelled both their NC shows.
The Ironman has announced that 200 of their participants have decided to compete in another state.
This week Itzak Perlman cancelled a show with the North Carolina Symphony. This story has legs. Long legs. Strong legs.

These morons are costing us a fortune. I hear there may be a deal in the works that involves the Charlotte City Council taking a step back and in turn the NCGA following that gesture doing the same. Two problems though, will there be a LGBTS backlash from this strategic step back, and can they trust the NCGA to hold up their end of the bargain?

This is what should happen. There is ample room for reasonable compromise. Guarantee equal employment rights without the bathroom language. Bathrooms are private property. Let the property owner dictate. If Target wants to allow, let them. If Wal-Mart doesn't, let them not. Then let consumers make their choice. The free market is the most democratic institution known to mankind.

Umm... The mayors follow up EO did EXACTLY what you suggest. As expected that wasnt enough for the queer community.

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(05-22-2016 10:42 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 08:24 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 01:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Why do you care? Not like youre making $ either way.

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So you think economic losses don't have a negative affect on North Carolina citizens? You need to think that through.

Funny, you dont seem to give a damned about economic losses when it comes to Obamacare. And those losses are a magnitude of over 1,000,000 higher than Maroon 5 not doing a concert.

Despite all it's problems, the ACA results in the creation of jobs and a reduction in the national debt.

As far as HB2's affect on my state's economy it is a heck of a lot more than one concert. Businesses are rerouting expansions to other states, conventions are looking elsewhere, tourists are going elsewhere, industries are dropping NC from their short lists of potential locations. But even the concerts are significant, be it Maroon 5, Bruce Springsteen, or Itzak Perlman. Restaurants, vendors, venues, hotels and the people that work for them all take a big financial hit.

That is a bold faced lie and you should be embarrassed for even trotting that out. I said should, because you seem to expose your true believer status every time you post.

Of course its all lies. Some concert losses, big effing deal. Nobody mentions how there could be gains for other businesses. Target is a good example of how people really feel.

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Eller says he expected to earn at least $3,000 working the sold-out Springsteen concert and other high-profile shows around the state before artists canceled the events in protest over North Carolina's new LGBT law.

Eller and about 100 members of the local union of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees are among the many workers and businesses caught in the crossfire of the national debate over LGBT rights and feeling the economic shockwaves from the growing number of canceled shows. Hotels, restaurants, bars and even community groups who work arena concession stands say they are suffering from the boycott.

"It's my livelihood; it's where I make my money," Eller said. "It's not just hurting the entertainment industry. It's hurting our state overall, period. And I'm not talking politically at all."

The Greensboro Coliseum Complex, the city's economic powerhouse, estimated it lost $188,000 from three no-shows so far, according to Ted Oliver, chairman of the advisory board to the complex. The city sent the governor a May 12 letter asking him to reconsider his support of the law.

"When we hear that the coliseum is suffering, what that really means is the employees are suffering," Greensboro Mayor Nancy Vaughan said. "People who work part-time to balance their budget. That affects workers in hotels, housekeeping, front desks. These are people who are dependent on every single paycheck."

For a large event like Bruce Springsteen, the venue would have hired part-time work from 225 event staff, 60 parking staff, 30 housekeepers and about 100 stagehands, said Andrew Brown, a spokesman for the coliseum complex.

Concessions booths staffed by organizations such as the Walter Hines Page High School Band Boosters, who get a cut of the funding for their programs, were left with nothing. They can reap at least $600 a night when the shows are on, which helps them pay to dry clean uniforms and feed the marching band before away games.



Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...rylink=cpy

(05-22-2016 06:08 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Eller says he expected to earn at least $3,000 working the sold-out Springsteen concert and other high-profile shows around the state before artists canceled the events in protest over North Carolina's new LGBT law.

Eller and about 100 members of the local union of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees are among the many workers and businesses caught in the crossfire of the national debate over LGBT rights and feeling the economic shockwaves from the growing number of canceled shows. Hotels, restaurants, bars and even community groups who work arena concession stands say they are suffering from the boycott.

"It's my livelihood; it's where I make my money," Eller said. "It's not just hurting the entertainment industry. It's hurting our state overall, period. And I'm not talking politically at all."

The Greensboro Coliseum Complex, the city's economic powerhouse, estimated it lost $188,000 from three no-shows so far, according to Ted Oliver, chairman of the advisory board to the complex. The city sent the governor a May 12 letter asking him to reconsider his support of the law.

"When we hear that the coliseum is suffering, what that really means is the employees are suffering," Greensboro Mayor Nancy Vaughan said. "People who work part-time to balance their budget. That affects workers in hotels, housekeeping, front desks. These are people who are dependent on every single paycheck."

For a large event like Bruce Springsteen, the venue would have hired part-time work from 225 event staff, 60 parking staff, 30 housekeepers and about 100 stagehands, said Andrew Brown, a spokesman for the coliseum complex.

Concessions booths staffed by organizations such as the Walter Hines Page High School Band Boosters, who get a cut of the funding for their programs, were left with nothing. They can reap at least $600 a night when the shows are on, which helps them pay to dry clean uniforms and feed the marching band before away games.



Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...rylink=cpy

Fine. Blame Bruce for being a hypocritical p.o.s. They have no problem making money on countries where there are legitimate civil right abuses.

Funny we are excpected to bow down to the faggoty entertainers while well over a million have boycotted Target. It seems to me a lot more are ok with men using the mens room.

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(05-22-2016 06:08 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Eller says he expected to earn at least $3,000 working the sold-out Springsteen concert and other high-profile shows around the state before artists canceled the events in protest over North Carolina's new LGBT law.

So Springsteen is not providing a service because it violates his principles, and thats ok with you, but bakers deny baking a gay wedding cake because it violates their constitutional freedom of religion, and you get all butthurt and demand they bake a cake.

Which is it? Can someone deny service based upon their beliefs or not?

Yes or no.

(05-22-2016 08:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 06:08 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Eller says he expected to earn at least $3,000 working the sold-out Springsteen concert and other high-profile shows around the state before artists canceled the events in protest over North Carolina's new LGBT law.

So Springsteen is not providing a service because it violates his principles, and thats ok with you, but bakers deny baking a gay wedding cake because it violates their constitutional freedom of religion, and you get all butthurt and demand they bake a cake.

Which is it? Can someone deny service based upon their beliefs or not?

Yes or no.

I'm pointing out some of the economic consequences of passing a reactionary law in a special session with no opportunity for public input, debate, or reflection, all in less then 12 hours. I'm not heavily into the ideological discussion. I'll leave that to others. I'm upset with the NCGA continually harming the best interests of my state and our citizens. Common sense is absent these elected officials. There are level headed ways to deal with issues like this that avoid unnecessary controversy. They are self serving morons. No man is safe while the Legislature sit.