UTEPDallas
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RE: Dallas News: Top 4 for expansion: Col State, Cincy, BYU, UConn
(05-08-2016 04:16 PM)colohank Wrote: (05-08-2016 03:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote: (05-08-2016 03:06 PM)colohank Wrote: (05-08-2016 02:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Of all the expansion scenarios the "experts" talk involving G5 schools, this is the only one that makes sense. Yes, travel would suck for WVU and BYU but when your school gets paid $20+ million a year plus extra revenue on tier 3 rights then travel expenses are suddenly not an issue.
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Colorado State
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Baylor
The XII South would be a brutal division, whoever wins that division and beats the North champ has a secured spot in the CFP. Suddenly Cincinnati looks out of place in a conference full of flagships/land grants and private schools.
Would Cincy still look out of place if it were immediately competitive in that Big XII North division? I recall that its ascendency in the old Big East was pretty impressive. During its seven years in that conference (when Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and West Virginia were also members), Cincy won two conference football championships outright and shared in two others. UC's basketball program would be more than competitive in the Big XII, as well.
If you consider Kansas State, Colorado State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State to be flagship universities, then so is UC. With an enrollment of 46,000, It is, after all, the second largest state university in Ohio, a very high population state.
Cincinnati would be competitive in the Big XII, nobody is arguing that. But it would be the only true urban school in the conference. Its peers in the Big East/AAC were mostly in urban areas like Pittsburgh, Louisville, Tampa, Houston, Orlando, Philadelphia, Memphis, etc. In an expanded XII (based on The Dallas Morning News picks), Cincinnati would be surrounded by mostly public and private schools in college towns. Morgantown, Norman, Ames, Manhattan, Lawrence, Provo, Fort Collins, Storrs and Stillwater are in no way similar to Cincinnati (the city not the school). Not even Waco and Lubbock are close to a large urban feel. The only ones in the XII that have that are Austin and Ft Worth which have a flagship and a private school respectively.
So what? When you're sitting in a stadium on a beautiful campus watching a game, does it matter how large the city or town is just outside the gates?
Over its very long history, UC has hosted and visited opponents located in towns and cities of every size and description. I can't recall that any of them, either those from quaint little college towns or those from teeming metropolises, ever refused to play us because the populations of our surrounding communities differed.
If you're going to fish for red herrings, you're going to need a stronger line.
What are you talking about? Who's talking about schools refusing to schedule you or if you're a good fit or even be competitive in the two revenue sports? I think Cincinnati is a good fit for the Big XII. All I said is Cincinnati (the school) is truly different from a flagship institution like Kansas or a land grant school like Iowa State or a religious private school like Baylor which is what 90% of that new Big XII would be of. You'd be the only true urban school in the Big XII which is a good thing. That's not in any way, shape or form a knock on Cincinnati athletics and academics.
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