(01-07-2016 09:24 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 06:36 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  My second Cousin was born in Japan in 1953. Both of His parents were American born. His Father was serving Our country in the United States Army and retired as a WWII veteran and a Colonel from the U.S. Army. My cousin fought in Vietnam war, Gulf war, Flies Chinook Helicopters and also still serves today in NC as a Colonel in the reserves. No way could anyone say He is not American born citizen and challenge that if He ran for office as a presidential candidate. And He has a record that can be traced all through school, work history ,and family and friends that can actually verify His background for His entire 62 years on earth as an American.

He was born on a base which is US soil. I agree with McCain, this needs to be looked into.

Even with the anointed One, His Mother was American and if He was born in Kenya, He still is American because She was at the time. Now if She had previously changed citizenship to become a Kenyan before Obama's birth, then No, He would be Kenyan. Cruz is American.

Cruze just relinquished his Canadian citizenship 18 months ago. Fraud.

Why do you hate Cruz so much? His political stance is similar to Tramps except Cruz explains it more politely than your choice. Is it because Cruz is Cuban-American? Yeah, I think that's it.

(01-07-2016 08:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Why do you hate Cruz so much? His political stance is similar to Tramps except Cruz explains it more politely than your choice. Is it because Cruz is Cuban-American? Yeah, I think that's it.

Seems Americans with a Cuban Hispanic background aren't as cherished as illegal Mexicans are by the left as They are granted full Citizenship as soon as They get here. Most are free thinkers and not endeared to a Democrat agenda that promises to get Them a free and full ride Someday if They can just get those evil Republicans out of office that are holding Them back. Some how Gore stopped counting Dade County votes in 2000 when a large part of the Cuban American community was actually voting for Bush . Democrats wanted to do an imaginary recount with only around 10,000 ballots that didn't have the presidential slot marked and nearly caused a riot. How could anyone assume that because that person voted for a local Democrat and Not for Gore, it automatically became a Gore vote. Democrats will try anything to win.


This action sure didn't help the Clinton legacy in Miami's Cuban District on Election Day 2000 !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n...ody_battle

This whole issue has gone on for far too long and should be resolved by the Supreme Court.

The problem seems to be what exactly does "natural born American" mean. Is it the same as "citizen at birth" or is there a deeper meaning. There is a good argument (Link) that it means someone who is born as an American citizen and does not attain citizenship via the naturalization process.

The US Citizens & Naturalization Services has a clear definition of "citizen at birth." Link

By their standards, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he'd have been a "citizen at birth" because his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth.

There is no issue. The law is quite clear. The only thing unclear is the thought process of those who raise this issue every time a candidate with lex/jus sanguinis citizenship enters the fray. It was a settled issue for Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona before admission to the union). It was a settled issue for George Romney (born in Mexico). It was a settled issue for John McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone). It is why the birther controversy over Obama never made any sense. Cruz is a citizen by birth because his mother was a US citizen. Place of birth matters only if neither of your parents was a US citizen.

The Supreme Court is not going to "settle" anything until an actual case comes before it. If one did, do you really think a political animal like the Supreme Court is going to overturn the will of the people? Give this a rest, people.

and most know this anyways but to Owls credit he was saying this exact same thing in the Obama Birther threads. I remember it well and it's a credit to him when he spoke up against the nonsense in 08 09 10.

(01-07-2016 03:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:49 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Melenia Trump, Trump's current wife, was born in communist Yugoslavia. Trump likes Putin. Hmmm...

Trump's wife is a perfect example of how this country relies on immigrants. They'll do the jobs that other Americans won't.

+1

(01-08-2016 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There is no issue. The law is quite clear. The only thing unclear is the thought process of those who raise this issue every time a candidate with lex/jus sanguinis citizenship enters the fray. It was a settled issue for Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona before admission to the union). It was a settled issue for George Romney (born in Mexico). It was a settled issue for John McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone). It is why the birther controversy over Obama never made any sense. Cruz is a citizen by birth because his mother was a US citizen. Place of birth matters only if neither of your parents was a US citizen.

The Supreme Court is not going to "settle" anything until an actual case comes before it. If one did, do you really think a political animal like the Supreme Court is going to overturn the will of the people? Give this a rest, people.

This.

(01-07-2016 06:36 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  My second Cousin was born in Japan in 1953. Both of His parents were American born. His Father was serving Our country in the United States Army and retired as a WWII veteran and a Colonel from the U.S. Army. My cousin fought in Vietnam war, Gulf war, Flies Chinook Helicopters and also still serves today in NC as a Colonel in the reserves. No way could anyone say He is not American born citizen and challenge that if He ran for office as a presidential candidate. And He has a record that can be traced all through school, work history ,and family and friends that can actually verify His background for His entire 62 years on earth as an American.

Son was born in Canada to 2 American parents. He's got dual citizenship. Only misinformed impletons get caught up in this story.

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(01-07-2016 02:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This why the USA needs to change to citizenship via blood and not via soil. If an American citizen gives birth
outside of USA the kid should be a citizen.

That is how it works. We had to report my son's birth to the US embassy in Calgary. He has 2 birth certificates. If we had never done that he would by default been Canadian only.


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(01-08-2016 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There is no issue. The law is quite clear. The only thing unclear is the thought process of those who raise this issue every time a candidate with lex/jus sanguinis citizenship enters the fray. It was a settled issue for Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona before admission to the union). It was a settled issue for George Romney (born in Mexico). It was a settled issue for John McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone). It is why the birther controversy over Obama never made any sense. Cruz is a citizen by birth because his mother was a US citizen. Place of birth matters only if neither of your parents was a US citizen.

The Supreme Court is not going to "settle" anything until an actual case comes before it. If one did, do you really think a political animal like the Supreme Court is going to overturn the will of the people? Give this a rest, people.

It's not settled. McCain and Goldwater were born in territories (base) of the US. Cruz was born in a foreign country thus is not a natural born citizen. Place of birth does matter.

(01-08-2016 04:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This why the USA needs to change to citizenship via blood and not via soil. If an American citizen gives birth
outside of USA the kid should be a citizen.

That is how it works. We had to report my son's birth to the US embassy in Calgary. He has 2 birth certificates. If we had never done that he would by default been Canadian only.


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There you go. Cruz is eligible to be President.

(01-07-2016 06:21 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  John McCain says that this is worth looking into.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-...king-into/

Well he is senile.

The GOP needs Cruz to win the nomination and lose the election. That's the only way they can shut him up. Otherwise he's going to keep running and the base won't stop bitching about how they never let a "real conservative" run for POTUS.

(01-08-2016 05:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This why the USA needs to change to citizenship via blood and not via soil. If an American citizen gives birth
outside of USA the kid should be a citizen.

That is how it works. We had to report my son's birth to the US embassy in Calgary. He has 2 birth certificates. If we had never done that he would by default been Canadian only.


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There you go. Cruz is eligible to be President.

No. Cruz is a US citizen but he is not a natural born citizen. Fake American vs Real American. Only real Americans (naturally born IN America or a territory) can be president.

(01-08-2016 09:24 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 05:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This why the USA needs to change to citizenship via blood and not via soil. If an American citizen gives birth
outside of USA the kid should be a citizen.

That is how it works. We had to report my son's birth to the US embassy in Calgary. He has 2 birth certificates. If we had never done that he would by default been Canadian only.


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There you go. Cruz is eligible to be President.

No. Cruz is a US citizen but he is not a natural born citizen. Fake American vs Real American. Only real Americans (naturally born IN America or a territory) can be president.

Tomatoes-tomahtoes

(01-08-2016 09:24 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 05:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This why the USA needs to change to citizenship via blood and not via soil. If an American citizen gives birth
outside of USA the kid should be a citizen.

That is how it works. We had to report my son's birth to the US embassy in Calgary. He has 2 birth certificates. If we had never done that he would by default been Canadian only.


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There you go. Cruz is eligible to be President.

No. Cruz is a US citizen but he is not a natural born citizen. Fake American vs Real American. Only real Americans (naturally born IN America or a territory) can be president.

You're act is tired.

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What about "natural born" do you not understand?

(01-08-2016 04:56 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There is no issue. The law is quite clear. The only thing unclear is the thought process of those who raise this issue every time a candidate with lex/jus sanguinis citizenship enters the fray. It was a settled issue for Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona before admission to the union). It was a settled issue for George Romney (born in Mexico). It was a settled issue for John McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone). It is why the birther controversy over Obama never made any sense. Cruz is a citizen by birth because his mother was a US citizen. Place of birth matters only if neither of your parents was a US citizen.
The Supreme Court is not going to "settle" anything until an actual case comes before it. If one did, do you really think a political animal like the Supreme Court is going to overturn the will of the people? Give this a rest, people.

It's not settled. McCain and Goldwater were born in territories (base) of the US. Cruz was born in a foreign country thus is not a natural born citizen. Place of birth does matter.

No it does not. Under well settled US law, place of birth counts exactly the same as citizenship of either or both parents. Exactly the same. Exactly.

(01-09-2016 02:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:56 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There is no issue. The law is quite clear. The only thing unclear is the thought process of those who raise this issue every time a candidate with lex/jus sanguinis citizenship enters the fray. It was a settled issue for Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona before admission to the union). It was a settled issue for George Romney (born in Mexico). It was a settled issue for John McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone). It is why the birther controversy over Obama never made any sense. Cruz is a citizen by birth because his mother was a US citizen. Place of birth matters only if neither of your parents was a US citizen.
The Supreme Court is not going to "settle" anything until an actual case comes before it. If one did, do you really think a political animal like the Supreme Court is going to overturn the will of the people? Give this a rest, people.

It's not settled. McCain and Goldwater were born in territories (base) of the US. Cruz was born in a foreign country thus is not a natural born citizen. Place of birth does matter.

No it does not. Under well settled US law, place of birth counts exactly the same as citizenship of either or both parents. Exactly the same. Exactly.

As an American citizen(you must be more than a US citizen to be president) but there is clearly a different qualification to become president. This has not been settled. The argument that somebody ran for president who was not born in America and the courts didn't stop him isn't an argument.