Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

(12-30-2015 03:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Well, they seem like the same person so i guess it doesnt matter. They both seem like a crucial half of an offensive puzzle, and either wont bring the other crucial half of that puzzle.

If it is Helton or Quinn it will be interesting to see who they bring along with them.

Helton will likely be OC and QB coach since that seems to be what he excels at. Since it appears Hiller (OL) and Rolan (WR) are sticking around we will need a RB coach. Quinn's background is OC and OL. Again Hiller will be back to coach the line We will need a new QB and RB coach.

(12-30-2015 03:03 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

Then eventually all OC will not exist as they become head coaches, find another profession or retire. Every current OC at one point had no play calling experience. Eddie Gran was never an OC play caller until he came to UC.

(12-30-2015 03:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:03 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

Then eventually all OC will not exist as they become head coaches, find another profession or retire. Every current OC at one point had no play calling experience. Eddie Gran was never an OC play caller until he came to UC.

And it showed, on multiple occasions.....at the worst times.

(12-30-2015 04:18 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:03 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

Then eventually all OC will not exist as they become head coaches, find another profession or retire. Every current OC at one point had no play calling experience. Eddie Gran was never an OC play caller until he came to UC.

And it showed, on multiple occasions.....at the worst times.

I doubt then next OC will guide UC to the #5 ranked offense, as was the case under Gran.

(12-30-2015 05:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:18 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:03 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

Then eventually all OC will not exist as they become head coaches, find another profession or retire. Every current OC at one point had no play calling experience. Eddie Gran was never an OC play caller until he came to UC.

And it showed, on multiple occasions.....at the worst times.

I doubt then next OC will guide UC to the #5 ranked offense, as was the case under Gran.

Agree, just hope he gets them better at turning all those yards into TDs.

(12-30-2015 05:16 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:18 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:03 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Not impressed with either. Hiring an OC with no play calling expierence is a complete waste.

Then eventually all OC will not exist as they become head coaches, find another profession or retire. Every current OC at one point had no play calling experience. Eddie Gran was never an OC play caller until he came to UC.

And it showed, on multiple occasions.....at the worst times.

I doubt then next OC will guide UC to the #5 ranked offense, as was the case under Gran.

Agree, just hope he gets them better at turning all those yards into TDs.

Score more than the other team, 14-10, 23-17. Most important stat.

(12-30-2015 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Well, they seem like the same person so i guess it doesnt matter. They both seem like a crucial half of an offensive puzzle, and either wont bring the other crucial half of that puzzle.

If it is Helton or Quinn it will be interesting to see who they bring along with them.

Helton will likely be OC and QB coach since that seems to be what he excels at. Since it appears Hiller (OL) and Rolan (WR) are sticking around we will need a RB coach. Quinn's background is OC and OL. Again Hiller will be back to coach the line We will need a new QB and RB coach.

I wonder about the remnants of the old Kelly gang. I hope Quinn and company are not like my old high school sweethearts. Better as a memory than the real thing.

(12-30-2015 05:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Well, they seem like the same person so i guess it doesnt matter. They both seem like a crucial half of an offensive puzzle, and either wont bring the other crucial half of that puzzle.

If it is Helton or Quinn it will be interesting to see who they bring along with them.

Helton will likely be OC and QB coach since that seems to be what he excels at. Since it appears Hiller (OL) and Rolan (WR) are sticking around we will need a RB coach. Quinn's background is OC and OL. Again Hiller will be back to coach the line We will need a new QB and RB coach.

I wonder about the remnants of the old Kelly gang. I hope Quinn and company are not like my old high school sweethearts. Better as a memory than the real thing.

Where did this Quinn talk originate from? He works for BK at ND. Why would he leave there, he isn't on a UC shortlist as far as anyone knows.

Kendal Briles is in his 1st year as OC and Baylor did ok. I'd rather have a guy with potential than a washed up retread just because he has experience calling plays. A Co-OC is as close as you can get to having experience without actually calling the plays. I'm guessing we won't get some homerun OC given our situation and current staff.

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

(12-30-2015 07:31 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

So Gran isn't responsible for a turnover prone offense? Considering he's the OC the responsibility seemingly would lie with him.

(12-30-2015 07:31 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

Considering UK has continued to suck under Stoops since he's been there, I wouldn't say the guy is necessarily infallible.

(12-30-2015 07:31 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

Tyson Helton to USC as position coach.

Guess he's out...

(12-31-2015 05:21 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  Tyson Helton to USC as position coach.

Guess he's out...

Quote:#WKU OC Tyson Helton is expected to join his brother Clay's #USC staff as QB coach/passing game coordinator, per source.

not official, but yeah it looks like he's out. A few days ago, Tubs said he'd wrap up phone interviews today and bring the top 2 in next week. I liked Helton, but it sounds like maybe he didn't make the cut.

Ty's brother Clay is the HC at USC

(12-31-2015 06:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Ty's brother Clay is the HC at USC

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Presumably if that was his first choice, they'd have easily already worked that out before him interviewing with UC. So timing wise, it all matches up like he didn't asked to do a 2nd interview with us next week and decided to go with his brother instead. Of course it's also possible that he never interviewed at UC or pulled himself out for whatever reason.

(12-30-2015 07:31 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

Has Hinshaw indicated he was gone also?

(12-31-2015 08:53 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 07:31 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Eddie Grans offense was a turnover disaster with a big talent superiority with every defense he played. What's he going to do at UK where he'll have inferior talent to every team he plays

Gran and Hinshaw are going to be solid coaches for UK. There is no hiding the fact that Stoops threw them both a tremendous lifeline saving them from this ship of fools.
If they sucked, he wouldn't have hired them.

Has Hinshaw indicated he was gone also?

Kentucky announced it