(01-10-2016 05:06 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 04:54 PM)Savacool Wrote:  No Sunbelt or CUSA teams other than Rice. We want BYU, Air Force,Army ,Rice or ColoradoState. No one from West Coast. Terrible time zone.

None of those schools are coming east except Rice and it seems only Tulane wants Rice.

16 doesn't want USM..and I know why!

Like I said, there are no attractive replacement candidates beyond the normal suspects. Frankly, I'd be more interested in adding several Olympic sports schools to rebuild basketball and leave football at 10.

Say, Wichita, VCU, and maybe one or two additional A-10 schools. Down the road when a couple of G5 schools have separated themselves from the pack, or a couple of MW schools become interested in sliding over, then we can revisit football expansion.

(01-10-2016 07:35 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 05:06 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 04:54 PM)Savacool Wrote:  No Sunbelt or CUSA teams other than Rice. We want BYU, Air Force,Army ,Rice or ColoradoState. No one from West Coast. Terrible time zone.

None of those schools are coming east except Rice and it seems only Tulane wants Rice.

16 doesn't want USM..and I know why!

Well yea, I've already explained why over and over.

(01-11-2016 12:54 AM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 07:35 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 05:06 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 04:54 PM)Savacool Wrote:  No Sunbelt or CUSA teams other than Rice. We want BYU, Air Force,Army ,Rice or ColoradoState. No one from West Coast. Terrible time zone.

None of those schools are coming east except Rice and it seems only Tulane wants Rice.

16 doesn't want USM..and I know why!

Well yea, I've already explained why over and over.

But that's not the real reason.

Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

If we were going to expand the play is Southern Miss in the east and Air Force in the west along with St Louis U.

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

(01-07-2016 02:13 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 09:09 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 09:08 AM)prisonmike Wrote:  I know you all (AAC Fans) hate to talk about possible expansion but, if 2 of UH, UC or UCONN get taken by the B12 what do you THINK the league will do? Stay at a 10/9 alignment? Or back-fill? If the AAC back-fills what teams do you THINK the AAC would add?

P.S. I know it's not Georgia Southern

dissolve.

Disband. A handful to CUSA. A handful to MACtion. G4 purgatory 4 lyfe.

C-USA already backfilled, though. Even though the programs you're adding would have higher budgets, you'd be adding them to markets you already own.

I think you'd see about 4-5 new independents at that point.

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

It's complicated. The current MWC TV deal is sowing a bit of discord in a league that didn't have any in 2012.

The dumpsters of the AAC are also in the process of building up their programs so that they do not eternally lose. When Tulane was singled out in realignment, a bunch of a light bulbs went off in our university. We have since hired a new President and AD.

Give our weaklings about 3-4 years to warm up, and I think the picture may change a bit.

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

You do realize that none of those western teams were ever offered FULL admission to the league.
I would say that if the Big12 expands to 12 by taking 2 AAC schools, the best move its for the 6 best MWC schools yo join the remaining 10 AAC schools and form best left over league possible.

(01-11-2016 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

It's complicated. The current MWC TV deal is sowing a bit of discord in a league that didn't have any in 2012.

The dumpsters of the AAC are also in the process of building up their programs so that they do not eternally lose. When Tulane was singled out in realignment, a bunch of a light bulbs went off in our university. We have since hired a new President and AD.

Give our weaklings about 3-4 years to warm up, and I think the picture may change a bit.

Yes, when the MW folks harp on Tulane it makes me laugh because one of the top MW teams over the last few years has been Utah State, a perennial garbage program over most of its life. Investment can revitalize a program.

(01-11-2016 04:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

You do realize that none of those western teams were ever offered FULL admission to the league.
I would say that if the Big12 expands to 12 by taking 2 AAC schools, the best move its for the 6 best MWC schools yo join the remaining 10 AAC schools and form best left over league possible.

I don't see it. Perhaps take the top 6-8 teams from each and start new. Full admission would have made a difference when the c7 and others were here but not so much now. Too much travel for the same caliber competition.

(01-11-2016 05:23 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

You do realize that none of those western teams were ever offered FULL admission to the league.
I would say that if the Big12 expands to 12 by taking 2 AAC schools, the best move its for the 6 best MWC schools yo join the remaining 10 AAC schools and form best left over league possible.

I don't see it. Perhaps take the top 6-8 teams from each and start new. Full admission would have made a difference when the c7 and others were here but not so much now. Too much travel for the same caliber competition.

In principal, I agree. But in practice, other issue are involved. It takes 7 years for a new conference to get NCAA autobids. A new conference would not be a signee to the CFP agreement. So, unless one wishes to wait 12 years for the current CFP to expire, then the only choice is to use the existing AAC or MW as the vehicle to build a best of the rest.

Two thirds of the US population resides east of Texas. Thus, if your going to have the majority of your best of the rest in the east or the west----having 12 members in the east would make more sense. Thus, it makes more sense to use the AAC as the host vehicle. So, you can add 4-6 MW schools depending on how big you want to go. I love the idea, but Im not sure if we will ever see it. There has to be a leadership group with true long term vision to accomplish something so different---and Im not sure that exists these days. The issue is, if it doesn't immediately land a huge windfall contract, the presidents don't think its worth it. The reality, most business propositions do not provide an immediate windfall. They have to grow. The small regional G5's have been around for decades and have failed to gain traction and grow. When you know a model isn't working---what kind of leadership just continue along the same course? That's the G5 issue in a nutshell.

(01-11-2016 04:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

You do realize that none of those western teams were ever offered FULL admission to the league.
I would say that if the Big12 expands to 12 by taking 2 AAC schools, the best move its for the 6 best MWC schools yo join the remaining 10 AAC schools and form best left over league possible.

If UConn and Cincy are cherry-picked, I think that Aresco could convince Air Force and Army to join as part of a division with Navy.

A division of Navy, Army, Air Force, Temple, Tulane, and Tulsa, could work. These are institutions that Army already plays often. Then, put USF, UCF, Memphis, ECU, Houston, and SMU, in the other division.

OR, go 14 with two 7-team divisions - move SMU to the Navy, Army division - to help the military academies get into Texas against a strong academic school - the kind of institution they like to play. Add two new members to the other division (SDSU? BYU? CSU? Old Dominion? Boise St.? Rice?)

Or, you could come up with some zipper divisions, pairing Navy-Army, AFA-Tulsa, Houston-SMU, UCF-USF, Memphis-Tulane, ECU-Temple, etc. - just make sure that AFA- Navy and Army-AFA games are part of the schedule.

Division 1: Navy, Air Force, Houston, UCF, Memphis, ECU
Division 2: Army, Tulsa, SMU, USF, Tulane, Temple

(Initially lopsided in favor of Division 1, but it gets Army and Air Force in the conference.)

(01-11-2016 05:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  In principal, I agree. But in practice, other issue are involved. It takes 7 years for a new conference to get NCAA autobids. A new conference would not be a signee to the CFP agreement. So, unless one wishes to wait 12 years for the current CFP to expire, then the only choice is to use the existing AAC or MW as the vehicle to build a best of the rest.

Two thirds of the US population resides east of Texas. Thus, if your going to have the majority of your best of the rest in the east or the west----having 12 members in the east would make more sense. Thus, it makes more sense to use the AAC as the host vehicle. So, you can add 4-6 MW schools depending on how big you want to go. I love the idea, but Im not sure if we will ever see it. There has to be a leadership group with true long term vision to accomplish something so different---and Im not sure that exists these days. The issue is, if it doesn't immediately land a huge windfall contract, the presidents don't think its worth it. The reality, most business propositions do not provide an immediate windfall. They have to grow. The small regional G5's have been around for decades and have failed to gain traction and grow. When you know a model isn't working---what kind of leadership just continue along the same course? That's the G5 issue in a nutshell.

2018-19 is the time for something like this to happen. The AAC, MWC, and BYU media contracts will all be up for extension or replacement. The B1G media deal will already be in place and there will be 6+ years left the other P5 media deals.

I like the ideas but I seriously doubt there will be anything major if the AAC gets two schools cherry picked. Remember, realignment is made by university presidents. No way that many presidents get on board for such an insignificant move. The marginal benefit is too small, if there is any at all. I think it is as simple as this:

If BYU and UConn join the Big 12 UConn is replaced by Army as a football-only member.

If UC and UH join the Big 12 they are replaced by UMass and Rice. Maybe Army as a football-only member instead of UMass.

Logic for Army in the first scenario and UMass in the second scenario is that if the AAC loses UConn they are likely to abandon that area of the country. Too far away from the rest of the schools and UMass alone does not carry the same weight as UConn. But UConn and UMass together are a like minded pair from a university standpoint.

At the moment, those two combinations above are the two biggest rumors for Big 12 realignment.

From a university president's perspective, the school profile and academic structure of the conference does not change much, if at all from the above changes. Further, I doubt the TV contract changes much.

Contrary to thought, athletic success is a small part of the equation. The athletic budgets and TV markets among the 10-12 schools stays the same. When you don't have a powerhouse program in your conference, athletic success is cyclical. If UH leaves someone else will spend that aggregate dollar and eventually go 13-1. It's economics.

Air Force and Army would add value to any tv deal. Plus the political clout would be huge.

(01-12-2016 09:24 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Air Force and Army would add value to any tv deal. Plus the political clout would be huge.

It's going to take a few more years (5-6, IMHO) to make that happen. But eventually, I believe it will.

(01-11-2016 04:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 03:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 12:37 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hell, Ill jump into the "Ifs".

If the AAC loses Cinci and Uconn to the Big 12,

1. SMU, Houston, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that Memphis, Tulane and a few others havent already beat us to it.

"If" the AAC loses Houston and Cinci....

1. SMU, Memphis, USF and UCF approach the MWC.... and hope that the others done beat us to it.

Honestly, If we lose 2 of any of the combination of Uconn, Cinci or Houston, I really think the best option is to begin open conversations with all the networks on what they would like to see.

Maybe NBC, CBS, Fox or one of them would be willing to form a best of the rest league and pay a decent amount. If not... Four of us run like hell to the MWC.

Your so funny. You are in the right spot. All fill in best teams are coming to American. Western teams too.

If western teams wouldn't come to the big east when it was the big east it's funny you think they would now that it's worse. Or in the future if this happens even weaker than now. I would bet smu/uh would align themselves with the MWC if the AAC lost uconn and Cincy

You do realize that none of those western teams were ever offered FULL admission to the league.
I would say that if the Big12 expands to 12 by taking 2 AAC schools, the best move its for the 6 best MWC schools yo join the remaining 10 AAC schools and form best left over league possible.

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