(12-12-2015 01:09 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  If the Belt has to call up more FCS, I'm sort of on board with Jacksonville State after seeing their improved facilities tonight.

I know USA and Troy would hate it, but I think they could provide some OOC wins for us.

EKU and UMass (football only). NMSU to all sports.

We have spares now.

BTW, this new discussion should make Idaho's position with the league a bit more secure IMHO.

If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

(12-12-2015 10:32 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

Too many still sitting waiting for Santy Claus to drop a trailer full of television money down their chimney. That's a hard dream to give up on. Trading that for some new exit and entrance fees probably isn't in the cards.

14 is the new trend. I go back to the Big 12, if they go straight to 14, there will be all kind of crazy happenings. The AAC would be attacked hard, and with the MWC going to 14, that would mean the MAC and CUSA probably take hits. Just another round of craziness that is conference realignment.

Jax St, you are now on the clock. Time to get that baseball stadium upgraded.

(12-12-2015 10:32 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

It should be a given by now that nobody is leaving CUSA or any other FBS conference for the Sunbelt unless they get kicked out and have nowhere else to go. It's not even worth discussing.

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:32 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

It should be a given by now that nobody is leaving CUSA or any other FBS conference for the Sunbelt unless they get kicked out and have nowhere else to go. It's not even worth discussing.

Nobody is leaving for the Sun Belt.

But you would have to think that losing Rice and UTEP would be yet another blow to USM and you have to wonder if they wouldn't at least start trying to think of some way to create something better.

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:32 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

It should be a given by now that nobody is leaving CUSA or any other FBS conference for the Sunbelt unless they get kicked out and have nowhere else to go. It's not even worth discussing.

Aren't you the sunny one.

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:32 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  If CUSA looses two, maybe rather than waiting for them to pick the SBC apart again, the SBC make a play for USM, WKU, Marshall, and MTSU or ODU (combined with giving NMSU and Idaho their walking papers)? Be proactive.

Or what the heck, talk about a merger or reorganization for the two?

It should be a given by now that nobody is leaving CUSA or any other FBS conference for the Sunbelt unless they get kicked out and have nowhere else to go. It's not even worth discussing.

In its current form...of course not. But the hope is that at some point the people across the street realize that what they are doing isn't working, and we start seeing more geographical based realignment.

I hope the current Sun Belt setup will continue for many years. This has the potential to be a better conference in most sports than CUSA or the MAC, simply because of our location in recruiting hotbeds and history/tradition of the programs. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Troy, ULM, ULL, Arkansas State, Texas State, and even Idaho used to be dominant teams back in the D-1AA days.

I think it's pretty cool that we have a conference made up of the top former FCS teams. Coastal Carolina coming in just reinforces that. Lot's of potential for the Sun Belt.

Why join a CUSA made up of also-rans from the FCS and teams formed less than 15 years ago? (Charlotte, UTSA, FAU, FIU, UAB, and Old Dominion)

(12-12-2015 01:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I hope the current Sun Belt setup will continue for many years. This has the potential to be a better conference in most sports than CUSA or the MAC, simply because of our location in recruiting hotbeds and history/tradition of the programs. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Troy, ULM, ULL, Arkansas State, Texas State, and even Idaho used to be dominant teams back in the D-1AA days.

I think it's pretty cool that we have a conference made up of the top former FCS teams. Coastal Carolina coming in just reinforces that. Lot's of potential for the Sun Belt.

Why join a CUSA made up of also-rans from the FCS and teams formed less than 15 years ago? (Charlotte, UTSA, FAU, FIU, UAB, and Old Dominion)

Why? Because if your school turns down an invite one of those other Sun Belt schools you enjoy being associated with will accept it.

That's the problem.

And its not helped by the fact that there are a lot of fans that would sign on whatever dotted line is necessary to get their school away from the current SBC front office.

(12-12-2015 01:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I hope the current Sun Belt setup will continue for many years. This has the potential to be a better conference in most sports than CUSA or the MAC, simply because of our location in recruiting hotbeds and history/tradition of the programs. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Troy, ULM, ULL, Arkansas State, Texas State, and even Idaho used to be dominant teams back in the D-1AA days.

I think it's pretty cool that we have a conference made up of the top former FCS teams. Coastal Carolina coming in just reinforces that. Lot's of potential for the Sun Belt.

Why join a CUSA made up of also-rans from the FCS and teams formed less than 15 years ago? (Charlotte, UTSA, FAU, FIU, UAB, and Old Dominion)

All C-USA has going for it is perception, but sadly that may be just enough. Perception is reality, and in the long-run perception actually becomes reality.
BTW, so glad I can get on csnbbs again.

(12-12-2015 01:20 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I hope the current Sun Belt setup will continue for many years. This has the potential to be a better conference in most sports than CUSA or the MAC, simply because of our location in recruiting hotbeds and history/tradition of the programs. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Troy, ULM, ULL, Arkansas State, Texas State, and even Idaho used to be dominant teams back in the D-1AA days.

I think it's pretty cool that we have a conference made up of the top former FCS teams. Coastal Carolina coming in just reinforces that. Lot's of potential for the Sun Belt.

Why join a CUSA made up of also-rans from the FCS and teams formed less than 15 years ago? (Charlotte, UTSA, FAU, FIU, UAB, and Old Dominion)

Why? Because if your school turns down an invite one of those other Sun Belt schools you enjoy being associated with will accept it.

That's the problem.

And its not helped by the fact that there are a lot of fans that would sign on whatever dotted line is necessary to get their school away from the current SBC front office.

I know MTSU, UNT, FAU, FIU, and WKU fans were ready to leave at the drop of a hat, but is it the same way now with the new schools? I know most ULL fans have mentioned they would dump SBC for CUSA, but besides them, is there anyone else?

Their football isn't that great. The reason they have more teams with better records is because CUSA is full of garbage teams to pad records... and there are 14 teams to help the record look better.

Look at their basketball RPI. It's pretty pathetic this year for a conference with 14 teams.

(12-12-2015 02:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:20 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I hope the current Sun Belt setup will continue for many years. This has the potential to be a better conference in most sports than CUSA or the MAC, simply because of our location in recruiting hotbeds and history/tradition of the programs. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Troy, ULM, ULL, Arkansas State, Texas State, and even Idaho used to be dominant teams back in the D-1AA days.

I think it's pretty cool that we have a conference made up of the top former FCS teams. Coastal Carolina coming in just reinforces that. Lot's of potential for the Sun Belt.

Why join a CUSA made up of also-rans from the FCS and teams formed less than 15 years ago? (Charlotte, UTSA, FAU, FIU, UAB, and Old Dominion)

Why? Because if your school turns down an invite one of those other Sun Belt schools you enjoy being associated with will accept it.

That's the problem.

And its not helped by the fact that there are a lot of fans that would sign on whatever dotted line is necessary to get their school away from the current SBC front office.

I know MTSU, UNT, FAU, FIU, and WKU fans were ready to leave at the drop of a hat, but is it the same way now with the new schools? I know most ULL fans have mentioned they would dump SBC for CUSA, but besides them, is there anyone else?

Their football isn't that great. The reason they have more teams with better records is because CUSA is full of garbage teams to pad records... and there are 14 teams to help the record look better.

Look at their basketball RPI. It's pretty pathetic this year for a conference with 14 teams.

I think stAte would go to the AAC, MWC, or MAC. I don't know about
CUSA, but I'm sure the opportunity will never come to go anywhere else.

Believe you me, tons of TXST fans think we're CUSA worthy but our football doesn't warrant a sniff and we don't bring marketzzz.

I hate that comment of "if your teams turns down the invite the next one will accept." Why don't the schools leaders get together and agree to build the brand of this conference, together.

If we were to band together, with an eye on the future, when CUSA gets raided, instead of a couple jumping ship from the SBC, we turn and take from CUSA. It can happen, and would happen. But we have to many teams willing to backfill CUSA instead of building the conference they are in.

(12-12-2015 02:36 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Believe you me, tons of TXST fans think we're CUSA worthy but our football doesn't warrant a sniff and we don't bring marketzzz.

So people complain that they don't want another team in Alabama, yet think CUSA might want a team an hour up the road from a current member. If it is about markets and new areas and states, TxSt is getting no looks from CUSA. GaSt would get that look well ahead of most current SBC members.

(12-12-2015 02:37 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I hate that comment of "if your teams turns down the invite the next one will accept." Why don't the schools leaders get together and agree to build the brand of this conference, together.

If we were to band together, with an eye on the future, when CUSA gets raided, instead of a couple jumping ship from the SBC, we turn and take from CUSA. It can happen, and would happen. But we have to many teams willing to backfill CUSA instead of building the conference they are in.

We aren't banding together right now. CUSA has a better TV deal and has more bowls (and some that have the potential to get a P5 matchup).

USA lifted our skirts for CUSA when it looked like we might get the nod. Now that's finished.

(12-12-2015 02:36 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Believe you me, tons of TXST fans think we're CUSA worthy but our football doesn't warrant a sniff and we don't bring marketzzz.

I don't know about being "CUSA worthy." But do view that conference as a "better fit" for our Athletic Program . .. due in part to the other TX Schools that are CUSA members. . . .

Our problem is:

Many CUSA members feel they already have too many TX schools in it.

We don't bring a significant Market

And of course, last but not least, WE SUCK.

But even suckage isn't always a barrier to membership, just look at the F_U's. . . .

In the final analysis, We ain't going anywhere . . . .

G5 has no leadership. None of them want to rock the boat and get blacklisted for that future P5 job.

Oh I get it, and it comes as a lessor of two evils. I really like some of the schools we are in a conference with, but for us, I'd like to be in a conference with USM, a school that could be our true rival. Or UAb, who we have a great deal of history with, including once sharing a conference.

I badly need a new TV deal, I'm not sure how we are still stuck in our old deal considering the complete overhaul of the conference over the last couple years. We have to do a better job of selling our own conference.