(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:46 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:44 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:29 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:15 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  A huge selling point is our contract with ESPN and we were on national tv almost every weekend. I never saw one usm game, not one on tv. We absolutely would offer Monken around 2.5 million because he is a proven successful head coach. If we get him, a big reason could be that he knows we are headed to the big 12 in 2017

Then you did not look hard enough. USM had 9 nationally televised games this year (ESPN, CBS, Fox1), and the other 3 were on other networks like FoxSportSouth. I literally was able to watch or record (for the home games I attended) every single USM football game from Long Beach, MS.

And if you think a contract with ESPN is a huge selling point for coaches, then you obviously have no clue what's important to coaches. To players, yea maybe so. To coaches, definitely not a huge selling point. No coach on the fence of making a decision about taking a job at a school is going to look at the schools TV contract and say "oh look they get games on ESPNnews, ESPN2, ESPNU, and ESPN3. Sold!!!" Which to me, would define a "huge selling point".

I've lived on the coast for better than a decade, I can't recall ever seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg. I saw one of their games on WXXV this year, it had the production quality of a high school game.

Haha You sir, are a liar. And a poor one at that.

No, I think a good indication of the relevance of your program is the coaches show being held in the smoking section of Mugshots.

Let me add a big thank you for service to our country! The Seabee base here in Gulfport is important to the community. And I try to thank you guys anytime I see you. So thank you again!

(12-03-2015 05:02 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:46 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:44 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:29 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Then you did not look hard enough. USM had 9 nationally televised games this year (ESPN, CBS, Fox1), and the other 3 were on other networks like FoxSportSouth. I literally was able to watch or record (for the home games I attended) every single USM football game from Long Beach, MS.

And if you think a contract with ESPN is a huge selling point for coaches, then you obviously have no clue what's important to coaches. To players, yea maybe so. To coaches, definitely not a huge selling point. No coach on the fence of making a decision about taking a job at a school is going to look at the schools TV contract and say "oh look they get games on ESPNnews, ESPN2, ESPNU, and ESPN3. Sold!!!" Which to me, would define a "huge selling point".

I've lived on the coast for better than a decade, I can't recall ever seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg. I saw one of their games on WXXV this year, it had the production quality of a high school game.

Haha You sir, are a liar. And a poor one at that.

No, I think a good indication of the relevance of your program is the coaches show being held in the smoking section of Mugshots.

Yes, bc (even if that was true, it's not, but if it was) a coaching show is a good indicator of the relevance of a college football program.

I have to ask, with coaches shows being the indicator of relevance, and the smoking section of Mugshots being poor, what in your book would be a good location to demonstrate relevance?

http://m.southernmiss.com/m/sports/m-foo...15aad.html

I'll just leave this here. You look like a fool when you call someone a liar and they disprove you in a matter of seconds.

Monken would be slightly more exciting, but I'd happily take either.

(12-03-2015 05:06 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:02 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:46 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:44 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  I've lived on the coast for better than a decade, I can't recall ever seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg. I saw one of their games on WXXV this year, it had the production quality of a high school game.

Haha You sir, are a liar. And a poor one at that.

No, I think a good indication of the relevance of your program is the coaches show being held in the smoking section of Mugshots.

Yes, bc (even if that was true, it's not, but if it was) a coaching show is a good indicator of the relevance of a college football program.

I have to ask, with coaches shows being the indicator of relevance, and the smoking section of Mugshots being poor, what in your book would be a good location to demonstrate relevance?

http://m.southernmiss.com/m/sports/m-foo...15aad.html

I'll just leave this here. You look like a fool when you call someone a liar and they disprove you in a matter of seconds.

Oh I know it's held at MugShots. But where in the world does it say its held in the smoking section??? Considering Hattiesburg does not allow smoking inside any buildings, its impossible. Plus have you ever been to the MugShots in Hattiesburg. Very cool place to hold a coaches show.

But you didn't answer my question. What in your book would be a good location to hold a coaches show to demonstrate relevance for a college football program? Would it be like the Brookhaven Pub and Grill where the Memphis coaches show is??
http://gotigersgo.com/news/2015/8/28/FB_0828154123.aspx
See I can do that to.

And I actually called you a liar about never seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg (just silly) in 10 years of living on the coast, and saying only 1 USM game was broadcast on the coast.

(12-03-2015 05:15 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:06 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:02 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:46 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Haha You sir, are a liar. And a poor one at that.

No, I think a good indication of the relevance of your program is the coaches show being held in the smoking section of Mugshots.

Yes, bc (even if that was true, it's not, but if it was) a coaching show is a good indicator of the relevance of a college football program.

I have to ask, with coaches shows being the indicator of relevance, and the smoking section of Mugshots being poor, what in your book would be a good location to demonstrate relevance?

http://m.southernmiss.com/m/sports/m-foo...15aad.html

I'll just leave this here. You look like a fool when you call someone a liar and they disprove you in a matter of seconds.

Oh I know it's held at MugShots. But where in the world does it say its held in the smoking section??? Considering Hattiesburg does not allow smoking inside any buildings, its impossible. Plus have you ever been to the MugShots in Hattiesburg. Very cool place to hold a coaches show.

But you didn't answer my question. What in your book would be a good location to hold a coaches show to demonstrate relevance for a college football program? Would it be like the Brookhaven Pub and Grill where the Memphis coaches show is??
http://gotigersgo.com/news/2015/8/28/FB_0828154123.aspx
See I can do that to.

And I actually called you a liar about never seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg (just silly) in 10 years of living on the coast, and saying only 1 USM game was broadcast on the coast.

The only Mugshots I have ever been to is in Biloxi. It reaks of cigarette smoke. As far as where to hold a coaches show, can't say I really care. Perhaps if USM weren't in such financial disarray they could put someone on the payroll to handle that sort of thing.

I suppose if I really wanted to watch a USM game, I could probably find it on The Ocho. The ONLY game I recall seeing was on WXXV, and like I mentioned, looked like it was being filmed by cameras that were state of the art in 1988.

Aside from the fill the Rock billboard that was on the 10, you don't see much USM branding here on the coast. 99% of the people here root for either Bama or LSU.

(12-03-2015 04:11 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:00 PM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 03:40 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Ok ok ok.... I got sucked in. Haha. But going to get my 2cents worth now.

In my opinion, here is why Monken would never leave USM for Memphis:

Positives-
-Yes, the AAC is a better football conference...... this year. They were not last year. Nor will they be every year. Most year, yes, not ever year like an SEC vs old Big East difference.
-Yes, the potential money will be better. $700k vs $1.4 (maybe over 2million). But Southern Miss is now prepared to pay Monken north of 1 million. Not as much, but still a good jump. Assistance salaries are not that big of a difference, with USM $1.3 million in assistant salaries and Memphis paying $1.5.

Negatives:
-Memphis is having arguably one of their best years in school history, ending the year at 9-3 while spending 4-5 weeks ranked in the top 25. Yet at the end of the year you will be playing in the Boca Rotan bowl vs a MAC team.
-But lets be hypothetical and say Memphis won all it's games and went 12-0. You still would never have the opportunity to play for a NCAA National Championship in Football. Ever.
-Prior to this year (thank you Ole Miss)your avg attendance was 2014-33k, 2013-28k, 2012-24K....With the previous 10 or so years never above that. (USM never averaged below 22k in its 3 horrible years).


Sooooo...Monken can essentially wait one more year (a year where he will be returning 17 or 21 starters off a 9-3 team playing for a conference championship) a get an offer from a big time P5 program where this will happen: salary of 3-4 million a year, assistant budget of over 3 million, years of avg attendance over 60k, athletic budget over $80million, and can play for a national championship every year.

Or he could go to Memphis, make 2 million a year (tops), take 2 years to rebuild/implement his program playing in front of 20-25k playing a crappy bowls (if good enough), year 3 become decent and start getting people to come back and avg 30k and play in another crappy bowl, year 4 do really well avg around 40k and go to another crappy bowl. THEN leave for a big time P5 school (which he could had done 3-4 years ago if he had stayed at USM just one more year).

Guys its not a bash on Memphis, your a great school who had a great year in football. But guess what, you lost your football coach to a P5 school. Todd Monken didn't take the USM job to use a building block to go to another G5 school. He took the USM job bc it has a winning, proud tradition that is known nationally, and if you do well at USM then it opens up opportunties for the bigger schools.

The progression is assistant coach at P5, head coach at G5, Head coach at P5.
Its not assistant coach at P5, head coach at G5, head coach at another G5, head coach at P5.

1.There were maybe 10-12K Black Bear fans at the OLe Miss-Memphis game.
2. There weren't any Ole Miss fans at the Navy-Memphis game which drew 55K+.
3. We didn't avg less than 22K either in our 2 horrible years according to your
numbers.
4. Year to year the football in CUSA may or may not be better than the AAC, but
the National perception and TV markets will be better and bigger.
5. Expansion progression: CUSA to AAC to P5; its not AAC to CUSA to P5
6. I don't know what we actually offered Fuente, but the same boosters will be
involved in the next coaches salary. The salary will be commissurate with
experience. We pay a mediocre BBall coach 2.6M, what makes you think
they won't offer a successful head coach what it takes to pry him away from
his current school (not saying Monken would accept our offer).

Games with Fans over 45K is the exception at Memphis, not the norm. Still very impressive, but let's not get carried away.

Ane what makes me think they won't offer a successful head coach what it takes to pry him away from his current school?? Well 2 things make me think that. 1. You just offered your #1 guy $900k and 2. Your own posters say the top end would be around $1.2 for any offer.

We offered Fuente over 3M. The moneys there for the right guy.

Is the CUSA Championship game a public audition for our opening? Winner gets Memphis?

(12-03-2015 05:46 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:15 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:06 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 05:02 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  No, I think a good indication of the relevance of your program is the coaches show being held in the smoking section of Mugshots.

Yes, bc (even if that was true, it's not, but if it was) a coaching show is a good indicator of the relevance of a college football program.

I have to ask, with coaches shows being the indicator of relevance, and the smoking section of Mugshots being poor, what in your book would be a good location to demonstrate relevance?

http://m.southernmiss.com/m/sports/m-foo...15aad.html

I'll just leave this here. You look like a fool when you call someone a liar and they disprove you in a matter of seconds.

Oh I know it's held at MugShots. But where in the world does it say its held in the smoking section??? Considering Hattiesburg does not allow smoking inside any buildings, its impossible. Plus have you ever been to the MugShots in Hattiesburg. Very cool place to hold a coaches show.

But you didn't answer my question. What in your book would be a good location to hold a coaches show to demonstrate relevance for a college football program? Would it be like the Brookhaven Pub and Grill where the Memphis coaches show is??
http://gotigersgo.com/news/2015/8/28/FB_0828154123.aspx
See I can do that to.

And I actually called you a liar about never seeing a USM fan outside of Hattiesburg (just silly) in 10 years of living on the coast, and saying only 1 USM game was broadcast on the coast.

The only Mugshots I have ever been to is in Biloxi. It reaks of cigarette smoke. As far as where to hold a coaches show, can't say I really care. Perhaps if USM weren't in such financial disarray they could put someone on the payroll to handle that sort of thing.

I suppose if I really wanted to watch a USM game, I could probably find it on The Ocho. The ONLY game I recall seeing was on WXXV, and like I mentioned, looked like it was being filmed by cameras that were state of the art in 1988.

Aside from the fill the Rock billboard that was on the 10, you don't see much USM branding here on the coast. 99% of the people here root for either Bama or LSU.

Well maybe you should actually make a visit to a place before you dog it. You lost all credibility with that argument by saying you have never been.

And again, you have to try really really really hard to not notice the USM branding on the coast, and it's obvious that's what you do. It's everywhere. 99% Bama or LSU? Not even going to address that or anything else really. Bc you obviously have no clue what your talking about about, and your poor attempt to degrade my university is not worth the time.

Once again, thank you sincerely for your service and good luck to Memphis in all sports the rest of the year.

Arizona State ASSISTANT will be Memphis coach. Presser tomorrow...two days ahead of schedule....lol.

Lets shut this thang down. Im glad the speculation is over with. Best of luck USM fans. I like Norvell better lol

(12-03-2015 04:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  With all due respect, Memphis football has been a flash-in-a-pan the past few years...just like Ole Miss and Mississippi State. In the next year or two...all 3 schools will be back to their natural, familiar losing ways.


But on a serious note, if I'm making 700-800k...and someone says "hey, we'll pay you 1.4-1.6 million for doing the exact same thing" I'm saying "where do I sign?"....but that's me. Monken knows if he keeps getting 8/9+ wins from here on out (and continues to win conference divisions/championships)...he'll get those 2.5+ million offers from the LSUs or Texas' of the college football world. I think that's what he's going to hold out for.

Flaw in your assumptions there. LSU and Texas won't get their coaches from CUSA. You're skipping a tweener level. The tweener may or may not be Memphis. Could be someone like Mizzou. Or Louisville. But there's not a direct flight from Hattiesburg to Austin.

(12-03-2015 09:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  With all due respect, Memphis football has been a flash-in-a-pan the past few years...just like Ole Miss and Mississippi State. In the next year or two...all 3 schools will be back to their natural, familiar losing ways.


But on a serious note, if I'm making 700-800k...and someone says "hey, we'll pay you 1.4-1.6 million for doing the exact same thing" I'm saying "where do I sign?"....but that's me. Monken knows if he keeps getting 8/9+ wins from here on out (and continues to win conference divisions/championships)...he'll get those 2.5+ million offers from the LSUs or Texas' of the college football world. I think that's what he's going to hold out for.

Flaw in your assumptions there. LSU and Texas won't get their coaches from CUSA. You're skipping a tweener level. The tweener may or may not be Memphis. Could be someone like Mizzou. Or Louisville. But there's not a direct flight from Hattiesburg to Austin.

I see what you mean, the Curly Hallman from USM to LSU really didn't happen....

(12-03-2015 09:50 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  With all due respect, Memphis football has been a flash-in-a-pan the past few years...just like Ole Miss and Mississippi State. In the next year or two...all 3 schools will be back to their natural, familiar losing ways.


But on a serious note, if I'm making 700-800k...and someone says "hey, we'll pay you 1.4-1.6 million for doing the exact same thing" I'm saying "where do I sign?"....but that's me. Monken knows if he keeps getting 8/9+ wins from here on out (and continues to win conference divisions/championships)...he'll get those 2.5+ million offers from the LSUs or Texas' of the college football world. I think that's what he's going to hold out for.

Flaw in your assumptions there. LSU and Texas won't get their coaches from CUSA. You're skipping a tweener level. The tweener may or may not be Memphis. Could be someone like Mizzou. Or Louisville. But there's not a direct flight from Hattiesburg to Austin.

I see what you mean, the Curly Hallman from USM to LSU really didn't happen....

Wow. Totally different era. I get your posts now.

Yo, NastyBunch. We passed on your coach. You can go change your underwear and sleep well tonite.

(12-03-2015 02:37 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 02:34 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 11:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I dont know much about Monken, other than he took a program at a school that is in complete financial disaster and was able to make them winners. That in of itself is impressive. And it appears he can run a potent offense based upon the scores this year.

Tell me about this complete financial disaster you talk so much about? Would love to hear what you know about the true finances of The University of Southern Mississippi.

http://deadspin.com/5970437/cash-strappe...byu-series

http://www.blackandgoldreview.com/2014/0...y-football

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre...c_dep.html

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre...letic.html

Finances at USM have changed quite a bit since then, FWIW.

(12-03-2015 03:58 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Which is not to say that Memphis is so much better that it's necessarily going to be able to draw a coach away from either school when that coach might have much better options in a year or maybe two.

Bingo.

(12-03-2015 10:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Yo, NastyBunch. We passed on your coach. You can go change your underwear and sleep well tonite.

LOL...I knew some of you would say this when getting rejected by head coaches. Having to take an assistant from a 6-6 team must hurt. By the way, I was very impressed with your conference when I heard that Temple turned back in 2,950 of the 3,000 tickets allotted to them for your championship game.
Impressive....

@gregauman: Bucs are hiring Southern Miss coach Todd Monken as their new offensive coordinator. Was WRs coach with Jaguars when Koetter coached there.


@DanWolken: Todd Monken was one more good year at Southern Miss away from probably getting a really good college job. Dunno what that says.

(12-03-2015 10:49 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 02:37 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 02:34 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 11:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I dont know much about Monken, other than he took a program at a school that is in complete financial disaster and was able to make them winners. That in of itself is impressive. And it appears he can run a potent offense based upon the scores this year.

Tell me about this complete financial disaster you talk so much about? Would love to hear what you know about the true finances of The University of Southern Mississippi.

http://deadspin.com/5970437/cash-strappe...byu-series

http://www.blackandgoldreview.com/2014/0...y-football

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre...c_dep.html

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre...letic.html

Finances at USM have changed quite a bit since then, FWIW.

I hope these articles say southern miss is doing great. I alway pull for yall and hope we are back in the same conf again. Somebody turn that frickin cheater in oxford in to the ncaa