I could see Campbell doing better at UCF than Babers. Certainly no worse. It might also be a place where Candle would be able to buil on his successes and he might be able to build that team he envisions, distinct from those already in Florida.

(11-28-2015 10:37 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Now his name is being thrown around for UCF as well...



https://twitter.com/UCFSports/status/670...44/photo/1

Well, it sure seems now like our coach had a few other things on his mind other than beating Western...Iowa State, Missouri, now UCF. Sounds like his bags are packed unless O'Brien gives him whatever he asks for.

(11-28-2015 10:45 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Babers will go to UCF, I'll be stunned if Campbell goes to Iowa St., that's a "deadman walking" job.

I disagree that it's a 'deadman walking' job. Like I posted earlier, ISU doesn't have a 'quick trigger' when it comes to firing coaches. Out of their last 4 coaches, 3 have been there for an average of 9 yrs, and averaged 4.3 wins/yr. If he does go to ISU, and can somehow won 7-8 gms/yr (obviously easier said than done), he'll be a God to ISU fans.

(11-28-2015 10:42 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 10:37 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Now his name is being thrown around for UCF as well...



https://twitter.com/UCFSports/status/670...44/photo/1

Well, given that every member of this board could equal the last UCF coach's success that may be a step toward the big time. Not the worst situation.

UCF horrible fit. If he goes there he goes for weather and money. not for football

(11-28-2015 11:01 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  UCF horrible fit. If he goes there he goes for weather and money. not for football

Why so? Strengths I think exists are recruiting connections and the style of offense they seem intent on running would distinguish them from the other Florida schools. They get some highly talented players that the upper level schools wouldn't risk on and they'll be going someplace where their Ohio and Pittsburgh ties would still be functional. Those recruits will follow them to UCF but probably not to Iowa St.

His Pittsburgh connections are cash money. Heck, I'D follow him to UCF. You think they need any message boarders down there?

(11-28-2015 10:36 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  It took me about two minutes from the time he accepted to declare Beckman's death by Illinois and I will do the same for Campbell if he accepts Iowa St.

He's not clever enough for that job. It would take a Tiller type to lift that program to temporary success. Row the boat maybe could do it. Campbell is a plodder. He inspires loyalty. He builds teams. He's a competitor. He's a planner but he's not a chess player nor has he shown to be a risk taker. He's not strong on the fly. He has a chance at Missouri and V-Tech. His best step other than staying would be to see what openings occur in the AAC. He could wait and see where those coaches land and try to pick one of those or stay here another year or so and prove he really is all that. Either way, he's going to have to divest himself of someone close by any decision other than staying. He may be ready but not everyone on his staff is. JMHO.

I too thought at the time that Beckman made was making a mistake in taking the Illinois job, because that place has a long track record of high (and immediate) expectations for its head coaches---and a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches in a hurry with little patience that Iowa State doesn't have. I also generally agree with your assessment of Campbell but I disagree that the same fate awaits him there that awaited Beckman at Illinois. Iowa State appears to lack the upside potential a lot of the vacancies out there appear to have, which is why I was kind of surprised at Campbell's interest in the place. However, they been so down for so long that they also appear to have much lower expectations than most and have shown a great deal of patience with their previous coaches----they don't have the same sense of urgency to rise to the top immediately that many P5 programs expect, so his work environment there might carry a lot less pressure than at a lot of places and he would likely be given ample time to develop the program there on his terms and at his pace. It might be just the kind of place where he believes he could build a program they way he wants to over the long term without feeling rushed or any undue pressures and without the financial and competitive handicaps that are attendant with all G5 programs.

(11-28-2015 11:24 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:01 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  UCF horrible fit. If he goes there he goes for weather and money. not for football

Why so? Strengths I think exists are recruiting connections and the style of offense they seem intent on running would distinguish them from the other Florida schools. They get some highly talented players that the upper level schools wouldn't risk on and they'll be going someplace where their Ohio and Pittsburgh ties would still be functional. Those recruits will follow them to UCF but probably not to Iowa St.

His Pittsburgh connections are cash money. Heck, I'D follow him to UCF. You think they need any message boarders down there?

Central Florida is a high paying MAC job. It would take him four years to get back into the situation he was in this year in Toledo. We had a path to the access bowl this year.

(11-28-2015 11:28 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 10:36 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  It took me about two minutes from the time he accepted to declare Beckman's death by Illinois and I will do the same for Campbell if he accepts Iowa St.

He's not clever enough for that job. It would take a Tiller type to lift that program to temporary success. Row the boat maybe could do it. Campbell is a plodder. He inspires loyalty. He builds teams. He's a competitor. He's a planner but he's not a chess player nor has he shown to be a risk taker. He's not strong on the fly. He has a chance at Missouri and V-Tech. His best step other than staying would be to see what openings occur in the AAC. He could wait and see where those coaches land and try to pick one of those or stay here another year or so and prove he really is all that. Either way, he's going to have to divest himself of someone close by any decision other than staying. He may be ready but not everyone on his staff is. JMHO.

I too thought at the time that Beckman made was making a mistake in taking the Illinois job, because that place has a long track record of high (and immediate) expectations for its head coaches---and a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches in a hurry with little patience that Iowa State doesn't have. I also generally agree with your assessment of Campbell but I disagree that the same fate awaits him there that awaited Beckman at Illinois. Iowa State appears to lack the upside potential a lot of the vacancies out there appear to have, which is why I was kind of surprised at Campbell's interest in the place. However, they been so down for so long that they also appear to have much lower expectations than most and have shown a great deal of patience with their previous coaches----they don't have the same sense of urgency to rise to the top immediately that many P5 programs expect, so his work environment there might carry a lot less pressure than at a lot of places and he would likely be given ample time to develop the program there on his terms and at his pace. It might be just the kind of place where he believes he could build a program they way he wants to over the long term without feeling rushed or any undue pressures and without the financial and competitive handicaps that are attendant with all G5 programs.

My reasoning didn't have as much to do with Iowa St being dead end. It has more to do with it not being a good match. The kind of program he "wants," presuming ours or MU is what he wanted, can't so easily be built there and even if, wouldn't be better than the other programs. Iowa St needs someone that is different, not someone the same but better. They need a Tiller type.

Iowa St attracts a very narrow focus type of student. As Detroit pointed out, they're an Engineering school with according to what I've been able to find, not much more even compared to other Engineering schools. They have almost no diversity of campus life if the stats I found are correct. They have a good basketball program but this is not an easy place to build a football program.

(11-28-2015 11:33 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:24 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:01 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  UCF horrible fit. If he goes there he goes for weather and money. not for football

Why so? Strengths I think exists are recruiting connections and the style of offense they seem intent on running would distinguish them from the other Florida schools. They get some highly talented players that the upper level schools wouldn't risk on and they'll be going someplace where their Ohio and Pittsburgh ties would still be functional. Those recruits will follow them to UCF but probably not to Iowa St.

His Pittsburgh connections are cash money. Heck, I'D follow him to UCF. You think they need any message boarders down there?

Central Florida is a high paying MAC job. It would take him four years to get back into the situation he was in this year in Toledo. We had a path to the access bowl this year.

Iowa St isn't even that. I see your point but I don't think you refuted mine. He could be successful there. They have really motivated alumni support with bucks to spare and they're in a good place to recruit. And as I mentioned, their Ohio and Penn connections would follow them to UCF. Probably not so to Iowa St.


Here's an interesting opinion on the UCF job.

UCF better than Miami

(11-28-2015 10:54 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Well, it sure seems now like our coach had a few other things on his mind other than beating Western...Iowa State, Missouri, now UCF. Sounds like his bags are packed unless O'Brien gives him whatever he asks for.

I agree that would go a long way to explaining that debacle we witnessed on Friday. If true, then having forfeited as many opportunities as the program lost on Friday, I would be also be very surprised if he stays under any circumstances and I suspect that MOB also realizes this and any attempts to retain his services is just posturing.

If true is it somewhat reminiscent of the way Gary Darnell cost WMU a MACC back in 2000 although Campbell is a million time more discrete in his job search than was the very public Darnell.

It's the "process"

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Nick P said sources have told him MC has accepted the ISU job.

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/583182

(11-28-2015 11:33 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:24 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:01 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  UCF horrible fit. If he goes there he goes for weather and money. not for football

Why so? Strengths I think exists are recruiting connections and the style of offense they seem intent on running would distinguish them from the other Florida schools. They get some highly talented players that the upper level schools wouldn't risk on and they'll be going someplace where their Ohio and Pittsburgh ties would still be functional. Those recruits will follow them to UCF but probably not to Iowa St.

His Pittsburgh connections are cash money. Heck, I'D follow him to UCF. You think they need any message boarders down there?

Central Florida is a high paying MAC job. It would take him four years to get back into the situation he was in this year in Toledo. We had a path to the access bowl this year.

(11-29-2015 12:34 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Nick P said sources have told him MC has accepted the ISU job.

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/583182

The path was never there. Not after losses to Niu and WMU. Just another season at UT. I will pray extra hard that Candle goes with him.

As the saying goes, it is what it is. Change is and can be good. It provides opportunity. Let's get another good coach in here, and go get a MAC Championship next year.

Go Rockets!!!!!!

(11-28-2015 03:58 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 03:51 PM)adunifon Wrote:  Where careers go to die.

Campbell has a strong recruiting background in NE Ohio and Pittsburgh.
He can pull those recruits to the Big 12. I think MAC schools(particularly Toledo) will take a hit. ISU has a decent and very loyal fan base. I think Campbell can make ISU competitive.. They Lanning and Warren to build with.

As long as Narduzzi is at Pitt it will be hard to get players out of Western PA that can compete for Big12 championships. And he won't compete in Ohio with MSU, WVU, PITT, and UK for those caliber players either. He will have to recruit Texas, Illinois, whats available in Midwest, and pickup 2 and 3 stars from Southeast and West. Thought he"d wait around for better choice. This is 2 desperate decisions ISU and Coach Campbell if true. In next 2 years if he stayed and continued to win and improve program he could get a better offer. Money is only reason for going to coaching wasteland.

No problem. I don't think many recruits are going to follow him to Iowa State.

(11-28-2015 04:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 04:30 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Campbell
0 outright MAC West Crowns
0 MACC Crowns

Agree, next man up...

Pinkel had 1 MAC Championship in 10 years.

I really think the MAC had a lot to do with that by giving Marshall the first FOUR MACC games in Huntington.
Wasn't it 4?
Ok, not beating WMU in 2000 kinda sucked too.

The only thing about this that bothers me is that interviewing probably effected game preparation for WMU.
He is gonna make a lot of money at Iowa St and probably coach there 5-8 years and have enough money to retire at the ripe age of 45

(11-28-2015 07:45 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 07:34 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 07:25 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  ryan autullo twittered that UT was prepared to make Campbell the MAC's highest paid HC exceeding Fleck's $800,000.

Was Paul Rhoades at Iowa State making about $2 million? Have to believe they've offered Campbell at least that much per year. I think the ISU money wins out, especially since there will be less pressure on him there for a couple seasons.

On a different note, to answer my own question above: who coaches us in the bowl game? I see that Missouri lost yesterday and finished at 5-7, so they may not get a bowl...how about welcoming Pinkel back for one last game in midnight blue and gold? I know it sounds crazy, but I'm guessing Campbell and staff will be gone sooner than later so somebody has to coach us.

As long as Amstutz is the DC for the game!!! Why not...

(11-28-2015 07:51 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  MOB does not need to clear out the savings account to keep him. He won a lot of games here but just couldn't put together a championship caliber team. I wish him the best but I'd rather have a national search and find someone To lead this program forward...

I think the 2015 team WAS a championship caliber team.
Maybe one of our most talented ever.