(11-28-2015 05:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  @AutulloAAS I am told Toledo is prepared to Iowa State target Matt Campbell the highest paid coach in the MAC.

If true, nice to see MOB make the gesture (and maybe it will be enough THIS TIME) but ultimately the G5 schools just DO NOT come anywhere close to the P5 school in athletic revenue generated and can never win a bidding contest against a P5----even G5 school Houston's unheard offer of $3 Million to keep their coach will not be enough if one of the P5 elites decide that they really, really want him.

The difference in income between the P5 and the G5 is ENORMOUS, and they can afford any G5 coach they want for the very same reason that the Rockefeller's and Rothschild's can own the Dutch Masters' paintings and Joe and Suzy Citizen can not.

Perhaps Campbell has noticed its a place he can have a long career without actually having to win championships.
Their coaches have been able to ride losing records out for quite a while at Iowa State and collect large paychecks in the process.

(11-28-2015 05:45 PM)owen Wrote:  Toledo will step up with the checkbook to see if Campbell wants to build on his success here.

This. All the talk about building a program is put to the test when a (IMO) mediocre job in Iowa state comes along and UT steps up to bump up pay. If he stays, next move is offensive play calling...

(11-28-2015 05:47 PM)T-Town Wrote:  The difference in income between the P5 and the G5 is ENORMOUS, and they can afford any G5 coach they want for the very same reason that the Rockefeller's and Rothschild's can own the Dutch Masters' paintings and Joe and Suzy Citizen can not.

Hey, I've got a Velvet Elvis that the Rockefeller's and Rothschild's would die to add to their collection...

(11-28-2015 05:17 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  http://footballscoop.com/news/report-iow...-campbell/

http://amestrib.com/sports/football-isu-...s-campbell

After reading this. The whole thing is based on a flight to Detroit

Kalamazoo is a short drive from Metro too


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(11-28-2015 05:50 PM)barr_b2 Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 05:45 PM)owen Wrote:  Toledo will step up with the checkbook to see if Campbell wants to build on his success here.

This. All the talk about building a program is put to the test when a (IMO) mediocre job in Iowa state comes along and UT steps up to bump up pay. If he stays, next move is offensive play calling...

Technically, isn't he already the highest paid coach solely via salary from the university? Fleck gets more, but his extra $$ is paid by a donor, not the university.

Either way, ISU fired a guy making $2 million a year and it's likely they'll give Campbell a higher salary than that. Looks like everybody in the B12 but Kansas pays their HC $3 million or more and I doubt Toledo could offer him anything that would make him say no to that much $$.

(11-28-2015 05:45 PM)owen Wrote:  Toledo will step up with the checkbook to see if Campbell wants to build on his success here.

Not sure how we can pay more for a coach since our attendance has been slowly going down and the University is losing students (who pay many of the bills for athletics). Plus, the school is millions short of a balanced budget.

Do we remember this from yesterday from the coach himself

https://twitter.com/nickpiotrowicz/statu...4601554945

Some of these stories are just creations of the writers


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(11-28-2015 06:08 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 05:45 PM)owen Wrote:  Toledo will step up with the checkbook to see if Campbell wants to build on his success here.

Not sure how we can pay more for a coach since our attendance has been slowly going down and the University is losing students (who pay many of the bills for athletics). Plus, the school is millions short of a balanced budget.

Nick Piotrowicz from the Toledo Blade has tweeted.. Source: Toledo is "fighting like absolute hell" to keep Campbell. Prepared to give a giant pay increase.

ISU's proposed athletic budget in August was $70 mil.

(11-28-2015 06:20 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  Do we remember this from yesterday from the coach himself

https://twitter.com/nickpiotrowicz/statu...4601554945

Some of these stories are just creations of the writers


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Pete Thamel's not one to make stuff up. He got fooled on the Mant'i Teo stuff, but so did everybody else until deadspin broke the story.

If Coach needs a pay raise to keep him, let him go.

Iowa St has positives as a football school. No history to live up to. Chizak got hired away after a 2-10 season and went on to win an NC. Nebraska has gone all sucky. When Snyder does eventually retire, K St hasn't shown ability to retain success and Kansas..... Missouri is an unknown. These all might open up a recruiting base. Ames is supposed to be a nice place.

Academically, it's not much of a step up. Not at all when you consider it's proportion of state resources. It has the diversity of a pack of vanilla oreos.

I honestly don't think he's going to get his Ohio recruiting base to follow him to Ames. He might be able to pick at Nebraska's and Kansas' but historically and academically, Iowa St can't compete with the states schools around it. It will be a good place to get those borderline qualifying recruits the other Big12 do not accept.

It wouldn't be the place I'd want him to go, I think he could do better even this year but I'd wish him the best.

(11-28-2015 06:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  If Coach needs a pay raise to keep him, let him go.

Iowa St has positives as a football school. No history to live up to. Chizak got hired away after a 2-10 season and went on to win an NC. Nebraska has gone all sucky. When Snyder does eventually retire, K St hasn't shown ability to retain success and Kansas..... Missouri is an unknown. These all might open up a recruiting base. Ames is supposed to be a nice place.

Academically, it's not much of a step up. Not at all when you consider it's proportion of state resources. It has the diversity of a pack of vanilla oreos.

I honestly don't think he's going to get his Ohio recruiting base to follow him to Ames. He might be able to pick at Nebraska's and Kansas' but historically and academically, Iowa St can't compete with the states schools around it. It will be a good place to get those borderline qualifying recruits the other Big12 do not accept.

It wouldn't be the place I'd want him to go, I think he could do better even this year but I'd wish him the best.

Iowas State is an AAU school and nationally known in engineering and sciences.

In the end the MAC TV revenues can not compete with P5 revenues and therefore MOB is making a gesture, nothing more as he will not ever be able to match the salaries that P5 schools can pay.

I have to wonder if the team had some sense of this yesterday which might account for their totally disastrous lack of focus during the game?

I also have to wonder but what with all those graduating seniors this year, Campbell is facing taking a step or two backwards next year and he wants to move on while he is a hot commodity? Still I always figured that unlike Beckman, Campbell is young enough to wait for the right position to open up---of course I am not sure what he considers to be the "right situation", but Iowa State sort of surprises me.

(11-28-2015 06:08 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 05:45 PM)owen Wrote:  Toledo will step up with the checkbook to see if Campbell wants to build on his success here.

Not sure how we can pay more for a coach since our attendance has been slowly going down and the University is losing students (who pay many of the bills for athletics). Plus, the school is millions short of a balanced budget.

Last I saw Toledo students athletic fees collected were 6th in the MAC.
#1 Ohio U and BG was #4 That was as of July 2015. Rockets were tops in the MAC in athletic donations.

(11-28-2015 06:45 PM)T-Town Wrote:  In the end the MAC TV revenues can not compete with P5 revenues and therefore MOB is making a gesture, nothing more as he will not ever be able to match the salaries that P5 schools can pay.

I have to wonder if the team had some sense of this yesterday which might account for their totally disastrous lack of focus during the game?

I also have to wonder but what with all those graduating seniors this year, Campbell is facing taking a step or two backwards next year and he wants to move on while he is a hot commodity? Still I always figured that unlike Beckman, Campbell is young enough to wait for the right position to open up---of course I am not sure what he considers to be the "right situation", but Iowa State sort of surprises me.

The team should be better next year. OL should be able to take it another step. Rockets don't take huge hits from graduation anywhere..

(11-28-2015 06:45 PM)T-Town Wrote:  In the end the MAC TV revenues can not compete with P5 revenues and therefore MOB is making a gesture, nothing more as he will not ever be able to match the salaries that P5 schools can pay.

I have to wonder if the team had some sense of this yesterday which might account for their totally disastrous lack of focus during the game?

I also have to wonder but what with all those graduating seniors this year, Campbell is facing taking a step or two backwards next year and he wants to move on while he is a hot commodity? Still I always figured that unlike Beckman, Campbell is young enough to wait for the right position to open up---of course I am not sure what he considers to be the "right situation", but Iowa State sort of surprises me.

Agree with all of your points, T-Town.

First, no way we win a salary battle with the AAC let alone a P5 school. My gosh, if we are willing to make him the "highest paid in the MAC" right now, just what do we pay him after NEXT season? We haven't even gone to a MACC game yet...what will we pay him then? Where is this money coming from? We all knew this is what happens to good MAC coaches--I'm a little surprised Iowa state wants him now, but more power to him. Let him make a better life.

And that lack of energy and emotion in the biggest game of the year may well have been due to a team knowing their coach is leaving. So much for the "process". And you're also right that 9 wins in hand is better than the risk of next season, when we have to replace 12 players from the two-deep on D and find something that looks like a pass game.

Now...who coaches us in the bowl game?

ryan autullo twittered that UT was prepared to make Campbell the MAC's highest paid HC exceeding Fleck's $800,000.

As a fan and season ticket holder... I'm not upset if he leaves and I'm not upset if he stays. This seems very 'meh' to me

(11-28-2015 07:25 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  ryan autullo twittered that UT was prepared to make Campbell the MAC's highest paid HC exceeding Fleck's $800,000.

Was Paul Rhoades at Iowa State making about $2 million? Have to believe they've offered Campbell at least that much per year. I think the ISU money wins out, especially since there will be less pressure on him there for a couple seasons.

On a different note, to answer my own question above: who coaches us in the bowl game? I see that Missouri lost yesterday and finished at 5-7, so they may not get a bowl...how about welcoming Pinkel back for one last game in midnight blue and gold? I know it sounds crazy, but I'm guessing Campbell and staff will be gone sooner than later so somebody has to coach us.