(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 09:13 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 08:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 05:28 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This thread has devolved into nonsense on stilts. I'll be seeing myself out now....

Do you dispute anything? What are your explanations? These are unanswered questions, not anti-history moonbattery. How did they they get light deep into those chambers without the oxygen to sustain a flame?

(I am a sucker for punishment.)

I already spent what feels like two wasted paragraphs responding to the problems of majik piramids earlier in this thread and I'm not gonna spend the next hour of my morning chasing your wild gooses for you.

But I will leave you with this visual. Read #2 They build the pyramids from the bottom up, meaning they carved the cambers in the full Egytian sunlight.



For any finishing touches inside an enclosed pyramid, they probably used for what ever passed for torches back in the day.

Air currents, if needed, could easily be handled with via bellows and even by setting up a fire at the end of a passage (outdoors) to draw air in through the passages.

Honestly, the possibilities are endless for any of your questions.

If you don't want to discuss this, fine, I understand. I find the discussion fascinating and would be happy spending my free time today discussing. If we knew everything, "Egyptology" wouldn't be a thing and there wouldn't be new theories constantly being introduced. I, for one, think the history establishment has Egypt mostly correct, but I think the technology the Egyptians had at their disposal was a lot higher than they are willing to admit. The population of Old Kingdom Egypt is said to have been about 1 Million. Think of a structure like that being built in Austin, Texas by only the people of Austin. Then think about doing it with nothing but blood and sweat. Then think about doing it in 4 years. All other commerce would have to effectively cease. Think about feeding and housing everyone. My city can't even complete a 3 mile road in 4 years with all the machinery it needs. These ancient wonders go far beyond just the engineering. I want to know how it was done. I certainly didn't want to imply that I expect you to have all the answers. Nobody does.

a single body ruler that had friends that kept people at bay.....

it's as simple as how the popularity regime in high school/college/job/municipalities continue to thrive....

that's why it's ancient and our supposed republic will one day fail...

call it slavery, religion, feudalism, homestead....it's all about taming the masses and obedience...

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you don't want to discuss this, fine, I understand.

I have discussed all this already up thread.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The population of Old Kingdom Egypt is said to have been about 1 Million. Think of a structure like that being built in Austin, Texas by only the people of Austin. Then think about doing it with nothing but blood and sweat. Then think about doing it in 4 years. All other commerce would have to effectively cease.

Much of the planning, supply chain, engineering and architecture was done by professional pyramid builders in employ of the Pharaoh. These individuals where thought to permanently live in the cities and towns directly surrounding the pyramid area.

During the Nile flood season, all the farming areas are under water. This is why the Nile plain is so fertile, because the Nile flood deposits silt onto the farmers fields. No one is planting, so those tens of thousands of farmers head up to the Pyramids to provide the heavy labor. Since there are no farmers in the towns to buy goods, the local shopkeeps follow the farmers and set up their shops in shadow of Pyramids, or even join the Pyramid labor force. All this labor is used in combination with water levels, wooden levers, and brute force to place blocks in position on the pyramid as it is built from the ground up.

Within both groups, there were undoubtedly some slaves and probably a lot of people who trudged up to the pyramid area during building season with less than full enthusiasm.

Within both groups there were many individuals devoted to the administration (food, sanitation, education, training etc) of pyramid building who never heaved a stone...

But modeling of populations of ancient Egypt and what it would actually take to build the pyramids does show that all of this is quite possible with only limited strain on the Egyptian state.

Both of my paragraphs above are almost gospel to modern Egyptologists. If it is to be proven wrong, it would need to be proven wrong via a massive influx of newly discovered information. As in someone randomly discovers the archives of the pyramid builders where it says something like "Aliens, using slaves, built the pyramids using mind rays. Each pyramid was a grain silo."

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Think about feeding and housing everyone.

It has been estimated that Egypt had at any one time four years of grain reserves, and each year of reserve was enough to feed the entire population. Ancient Egypt was very fertile and they had many advanced farming techniques, plus the Med and the Nile provide sustenance. Housing was mud brick huts, made from the mud and papyrus of the the Nile that was literally available at the front of the Pyramids.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  My city can't even complete a 3 mile road in 4 years with all the machinery it needs.

Your city and mine. But isn't this more a reality of modern work conditions and laws versus the brute strength of tens of thousands of Egyptians working sun-up to sun down, probably 6 days a week?

We all know that those roads could be done in a week, if the local contractor had the resources, if the local government was willing to take the steps to allow the construction, and if the population was willing to put up with those realities.

It takes so darn long to build a road because they can only build for so many hours a day, in confined conditions, with labor laws, and with taking the dangers of fast moving traffic in consideration, and the level of inconvenience to the public.

I think we need to acknowledge as well that academics assume that almost 100% of any population believed in a deity of some sort up through about the 1600's. As in, there were no un-believers. If you thought that the working on the pyramids got you in with Osiris, then you hustled and worked your ace off. Certainly, that aspect is missing from modern construction.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  These ancient wonders go far beyond just the engineering. I want to know how it was done.

But that is just the issue I am addressing - the Pyramids are not beyond engineering and construction techniques available to the Egyptians. Water, can lift mountains through lock technology. Lever technology can swing limestone blocks like they are made of feathers. And using a simple string, you can make a line as straight as any modern laser.

It's all there for the Egyptian to do. They had the technology, they had the manpower, they had the food, housing and infrastructure, and they had to motivation.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I certainly didn't want to imply that I expect you to have all the answers. Nobody does.

But what one cannot do is dismiss the answers already provided by Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even from the ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids.

Of course they built the Pyramids from the bottom up. Difficult to do that from the top down!

(11-12-2015 11:04 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Of course they built the Pyramids from the bottom up. Difficult to do that from the top down!

c'mon.....you forgot about this guy

The pyramids are irrefutable proof that Trump has a time machine.

(11-12-2015 10:14 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you don't want to discuss this, fine, I understand.

I have discussed all this already up thread.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The population of Old Kingdom Egypt is said to have been about 1 Million. Think of a structure like that being built in Austin, Texas by only the people of Austin. Then think about doing it with nothing but blood and sweat. Then think about doing it in 4 years. All other commerce would have to effectively cease.

Much of the planning, supply chain, engineering and architecture was done by professional pyramid builders in employ of the Pharaoh. These individuals where thought to permanently live in the cities and towns directly surrounding the pyramid area.

During the Nile flood season, all the farming areas are under water. This is why the Nile plain is so fertile, because the Nile flood deposits silt onto the farmers fields. No one is planting, so those tens of thousands of farmers head up to the Pyramids to provide the heavy labor. Since there are no farmers in the towns to buy goods, the local shopkeeps follow the farmers and set up their shops in shadow of Pyramids, or even join the Pyramid labor force. All this labor is used in combination with water levels, wooden levers, and brute force to place blocks in position on the pyramid as it is built from the ground up.

Within both groups, there were undoubtedly some slaves and probably a lot of people who trudged up to the pyramid area during building season with less than full enthusiasm.

Within both groups there were many individuals devoted to the administration (food, sanitation, education, training etc) of pyramid building who never heaved a stone...

But modeling of populations of ancient Egypt and what it would actually take to build the pyramids does show that all of this is quite possible with only limited strain on the Egyptian state.

Both of my paragraphs above are almost gospel to modern Egyptologists. If it is to be proven wrong, it would need to be proven wrong via a massive influx of newly discovered information. As in someone randomly discovers the archives of the pyramid builders where it says something like "Aliens, using slaves, built the pyramids using mind rays. Each pyramid was a grain silo."

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Think about feeding and housing everyone.

It has been estimated that Egypt had at any one time four years of grain reserves, and each year of reserve was enough to feed the entire population. Ancient Egypt was very fertile and they had many advanced farming techniques, plus the Med and the Nile provide sustenance. Housing was mud brick huts, made from the mud and papyrus of the the Nile that was literally available at the front of the Pyramids.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  My city can't even complete a 3 mile road in 4 years with all the machinery it needs.

Your city and mine. But isn't this more a reality of modern work conditions and laws versus the brute strength of tens of thousands of Egyptians working sun-up to sun down, probably 6 days a week?

We all know that those roads could be done in a week, if the local contractor had the resources, if the local government was willing to take the steps to allow the construction, and if the population was willing to put up with those realities.

It takes so darn long to build a road because they can only build for so many hours a day, in confined conditions, with labor laws, and with taking the dangers of fast moving traffic in consideration, and the level of inconvenience to the public.

I think we need to acknowledge as well that academics assume that almost 100% of any population believed in a deity of some sort up through about the 1600's. As in, there were no un-believers. If you thought that the working on the pyramids got you in with Osiris, then you hustled and worked your ace off. Certainly, that aspect is missing from modern construction.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  These ancient wonders go far beyond just the engineering. I want to know how it was done.

But that is just the issue I am addressing - the Pyramids are not beyond engineering and construction techniques available to the Egyptians. Water, can lift mountains through lock technology. Lever technology can swing limestone blocks like they are made of feathers. And using a simple string, you can make a line as straight as any modern laser.

It's all there for the Egyptian to do. They had the technology, they had the manpower, they had the food, housing and infrastructure, and they had to motivation.

(11-12-2015 09:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I certainly didn't want to imply that I expect you to have all the answers. Nobody does.

But what one cannot do is dismiss the answers already provided by Egyptoligists, scientists, historians, archaeologists, laymen, and even from the ancient Egyptians themselves who wrote that they built the pyramids.

Thank you for the substantive response. Just letting you know I read it and am not ignoring you, but it will take more time than I have right now to address and digest.

(11-11-2015 04:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The one thing we know is we have no idea how the pyramids were built. And it is more than just how they got the stones there and up. For instance.... The chambers... they had to get light and oxygen in there.

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There is an archaeologist that works in Alabama-burmignham who used some high tech orbital scans to detect what looks like hindered of unopened tombs, fully furbished still. Not even plundered in ancient times. Plus multiple pyramids still buried under the sand ranging all over upper and lower Egypt.

Digging things like that up and finding new evidence is our only hope of proving things at this point imo.

It is clear to me they had electricity. Look up the Baghdad Battery. These workers had lights. They may have had motorized construction equipment.

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If so why are these not depicted in any hieroglyphics?

(11-12-2015 04:02 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The one thing we know is we have no idea how the pyramids were built. And it is more than just how they got the stones there and up. For instance.... The chambers... they had to get light and oxygen in there.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

There is an archaeologist that works in Alabama-burmignham who used some high tech orbital scans to detect what looks like hindered of unopened tombs, fully furbished still. Not even plundered in ancient times. Plus multiple pyramids still buried under the sand ranging all over upper and lower Egypt.

Digging things like that up and finding new evidence is our only hope of proving things at this point imo.

It is clear to me they had electricity. Look up the Baghdad Battery. These workers had lights. They may have had motorized construction equipment.

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If so why are these not depicted in any hieroglyphics?

Maybe they are. https://www.google.com/search?q=baghdad+...LC8gFVM%3A

(11-12-2015 04:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 04:02 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The one thing we know is we have no idea how the pyramids were built. And it is more than just how they got the stones there and up. For instance.... The chambers... they had to get light and oxygen in there.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

There is an archaeologist that works in Alabama-burmignham who used some high tech orbital scans to detect what looks like hindered of unopened tombs, fully furbished still. Not even plundered in ancient times. Plus multiple pyramids still buried under the sand ranging all over upper and lower Egypt.

Digging things like that up and finding new evidence is our only hope of proving things at this point imo.

It is clear to me they had electricity. Look up the Baghdad Battery. These workers had lights. They may have had motorized construction equipment.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

If so why are these not depicted in any hieroglyphics?

Maybe they are. https://www.google.com/search?q=baghdad+...LC8gFVM%3A

I see more of a phallic./bestiality thingy working with this one....



maybe vein throbber = power.....only happens before I piss in the morn' now.....even the wind is becoming a problem

(11-12-2015 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I see more of a phallic./bestiality thingy working with this one....



maybe vein throbber = power.....only happens before I piss in the morn' now.....even the wind is becoming a problem

haha...oh man....that **** made me laugh

(11-12-2015 11:48 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I see more of a phallic./bestiality thingy working with this one....



maybe vein throbber = power.....only happens before I piss in the morn' now.....even the wind is becoming a problem

haha...oh man....that **** made me laugh

I will admit.....I do try....thx man!

there are times when I tell carlin to get out of my fk'n head...."that's enough dammit!"

it's a curse at times.....

(11-12-2015 11:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:48 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I see more of a phallic./bestiality thingy working with this one....



maybe vein throbber = power.....only happens before I piss in the morn' now.....even the wind is becoming a problem

haha...oh man....that **** made me laugh

I will admit.....I do try....thx man!

there are times when I tell carlin to get out of my fk'n head...."that's enough dammit!"

it's a curse at times.....

A curse of a big dicked mummy apparently

(11-13-2015 12:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:48 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I see more of a phallic./bestiality thingy working with this one....



maybe vein throbber = power.....only happens before I piss in the morn' now.....even the wind is becoming a problem

haha...oh man....that **** made me laugh

I will admit.....I do try....thx man!

there are times when I tell carlin to get out of my fk'n head...."that's enough dammit!"

it's a curse at times.....

A curse of a big dicked mummy apparently

gotta plug hoofed dyke leakage somehow....

If that is supposed to be a lightbulb, imagine how huge the filament is. So would the Baghdad battery have the juice to power it even if they were connected as a pack? The amount of heat that thing would throw off... LOL. Imagine how much Cu they would need for the cable. How did they make the cable - braiding or was it a solid? Did the Egyptians have skills in glass making?

Relevant news:

http://www.dailytimesgazette.com/great-p...mbs/32405/

(11-12-2015 08:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 06:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 05:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Personally, I believe it was either aliens or good old fashion slaves

Pretty much the later and lots of them.

I wonder how many were needed and how the pharoh was able to afford to feed and expend those resources on something economically unproductive. "Slaves" is a possible outcome, but a very simplistic answer to a complex problem. These structures went up very quickly. Would have needed many thousands of slaves and we aren't talking about a population of the modern US. Without advanced technology, they must have had half the population working on these.

It for sure was an incredible achievement. The sheer size of infrastructure, labor and logistics required to do this is mind boggling..especially for something pretty much useless. It speaks volumes for the power of faith. These people pretty much spent their entire lives building something for the Gods.

(11-14-2015 10:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 08:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 06:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 05:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Personally, I believe it was either aliens or good old fashion slaves

Pretty much the later and lots of them.

I wonder how many were needed and how the pharoh was able to afford to feed and expend those resources on something economically unproductive. "Slaves" is a possible outcome, but a very simplistic answer to a complex problem. These structures went up very quickly. Would have needed many thousands of slaves and we aren't talking about a population of the modern US. Without advanced technology, they must have had half the population working on these.

It for sure was an incredible achievement. The sheer size of infrastructure, labor and logistics required to do this is mind boggling..especially for something pretty much useless. It speaks volumes for the power of faith. These people pretty much spent their entire lives building something for the Gods.

no....it speaks volumes to the power of brainwashing.....

Hey Max, any thread on that idiot moron imbecile commie puke Bernie believing nicer weather causes terrorism.