(11-04-2015 10:06 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 08:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Eventually, the Big 12 will get the hint. If a 1 loss Notre Dame makes the playoff over an undefeated Big 12, just bite the bullet.

That's not going to happen...

these first ratings are reflective of the season up to this point...the Big XII big names all play each other. An undefeated TCU, Baylor, or Oklahoma State will be in guaranteed...

And yet Alabama has some tough opponents ahead as well.

Jeff Long should just say "We think this team is better", instead of making up random things every Tuesday

(11-04-2015 10:36 AM)bronconick Wrote:  Jeff Long should just say "We think this team is better", instead of making up random things every Tuesday

Smiling-they need a different spokeman. He hurts the committees credibility with his continuously contradictory remarks.

(11-04-2015 09:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  maybe that's something they learned as a result of last year. Ohio St looked like they passed the eye test last year, while everyone's eyes could tell that Florida St wasn't good.

And hence why this system is night and day better than the BCS computer print-out method.

Humans should get to decide, based on whatever humans think is important for this day (not yesterday, not tomorrow). Not algorithms. Not forced "consistency" for the sake of "consistency".

(11-04-2015 10:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the committee nailed it. Put in the teams that control their own destiny in the top 4. Bama is clearly in if they win out, now that the PAC champ has a loss. There is no way a team like Stanford or ND jumps them out of nowhere at the end of the year. That Bama/LSU loser will be replaced by the highest ranking Big 12 team in the following poll. Just have that consistency, unlike last year, and no one will complain. Don't keep flip flopping.

I hope they do flip-flop. All the way until the last week, when they then get it right.

It keeps message boards spinning and it gives journalists something to write about and hosts something to talk about on shows.

(11-04-2015 10:06 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 08:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Eventually, the Big 12 will get the hint. If a 1 loss Notre Dame makes the playoff over an undefeated Big 12, just bite the bullet.

That's not going to happen...

these first ratings are reflective of the season up to this point...the Big XII big names all play each other. An undefeated TCU, Baylor, or Oklahoma State will be in guaranteed...

Except you forget about one little thing: the W-L record on the most important weekend of the year, the first weekend in Dec.

XII W-L record on CCG weekend: 0-0

(they try to fake it, by playing a regular season game on that weekend ... but we all know that's just an attempt to cover up the fact that they play one less game than the other P conferences)


That little fact dooms even an undefeated XII team.

(11-04-2015 10:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the committee nailed it. Put in the teams that control their own destiny in the top 4. Bama is clearly in if they win out, now that the PAC champ has a loss. There is no way a team like Stanford or ND jumps them out of nowhere at the end of the year. That Bama/LSU loser will be replaced by the highest ranking Big 12 team in the following poll. Just have that consistency, unlike last year, and no one will complain. Don't keep flip flopping.

Yeah, I am not sure why there is so much crying in this thread. The committee rankings at this point are just meant to cause people to talk about it and about college football. That is the point of it, period.

All these people crying about rankings, I just don't get it. Three of the four teams in the initial rankings last year did not end up in the final four teams at the top.

So everyone, stop whining. The Committee Rankings are doing exactly what they are supposed to do at this point, draw attention to college football.

(11-04-2015 10:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 10:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the committee nailed it. Put in the teams that control their own destiny in the top 4. Bama is clearly in if they win out, now that the PAC champ has a loss. There is no way a team like Stanford or ND jumps them out of nowhere at the end of the year. That Bama/LSU loser will be replaced by the highest ranking Big 12 team in the following poll. Just have that consistency, unlike last year, and no one will complain. Don't keep flip flopping.

Yeah, I am not sure why there is so much crying in this thread. The committee rankings at this point are just meant to cause people to talk about it and about college football. That is the point of it, period.

All these people crying about rankings, I just don't get it. Three of the four teams in the initial rankings last year did not end up in the final four teams at the top.

So everyone, stop whining. The Committee Rankings are doing exactly what they are supposed to do at this point, draw attention to college football.

Troof.

(11-03-2015 10:29 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 10:21 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  To me OSU, as the defending champ and currently undefeated, should get the benefit of the doubt as long as they have just a competent schedule.

I get that sentiment, but I think it is disingenuous since the committee has explicitly said where teams start don't matter- it's only what you have accomplished and each week you start over.

I am not necessarily referring to the committee (And I don't take what they say to be worth anything, since last year they literally changed their criteria by the week, specifically to fit whatever results they came up with). I am saying a defending national champion, who is undefeated, unless they have just a seriously horrible schedule, should pretty much automatically get to defend their title. Undefeated is the key word.

(11-04-2015 01:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I still say the SEC plays the media/public opinion game the right way by trying to give every contender a challenging conference game in September. It gives the winner credibility and gives the loser time to work its way back up in the rankings, as Alabama has.

This is true. Though I call it less public opinion poll and more... well I don't have a name for it, but no one else gets the poll movement they do when they beat each other.

(11-04-2015 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama is already #4, and they play #2 LSU this week. They also have ranked Mississippi State after that.

The committee has made it clear that if they win out, they will very likely be in, even if they do not win the SEC.

I would not say that. Otherwise TCU would have been in the CFP last year in place of Ohio State. Also keep in mind, even if Alabama wins out, they are not guaranteed to even win their division.

(11-04-2015 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama is already #4, and they play #2 LSU this week. They also have ranked Mississippi State after that.

The committee has made it clear that if they win out, they will very likely be in, even if they do not win the SEC.

You mean like last year, right? When TCU was #3 in the next-to-last committee ranking, the committee made it clear that TCU would be in if they won their last game, and TCU won that game by 55 points, and they were in.

Oh, wait.

wow just saw this:
How rare is it that three Big Ten teams (Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa) remain unbeaten this late into the season? The last time the conference had three teams start 8-0 in the same year was 1903, when Minnesota, Northwestern and Chicago did it. Michigan was also 7-0-1 through eight games in 1903, which would have been a tough year for the selection committee.

When Chicago is part of the last time something in the Big Ten happened- that's pretty remarkable...

(11-04-2015 10:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 10:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the committee nailed it. Put in the teams that control their own destiny in the top 4. Bama is clearly in if they win out, now that the PAC champ has a loss. There is no way a team like Stanford or ND jumps them out of nowhere at the end of the year. That Bama/LSU loser will be replaced by the highest ranking Big 12 team in the following poll. Just have that consistency, unlike last year, and no one will complain. Don't keep flip flopping.

Yeah, I am not sure why there is so much crying in this thread. The committee rankings at this point are just meant to cause people to talk about it and about college football. That is the point of it, period.

All these people crying about rankings, I just don't get it. Three of the four teams in the initial rankings last year did not end up in the final four teams at the top.

So everyone, stop whining. The Committee Rankings are doing exactly what they are supposed to do at this point, draw attention to college football.

I think the reason to pay attention is that is shows what the committee is valuing.

Last year they were actually very consistent, and to those of us paying attention the final rankings made sense, with a heavy emphasis on quality wins. I actually think these first rankings are not as consistent with last years' thinking as they could have been. Specifically, they seemed to use the "eye test" more than last year. Maybe that is because there were several teams closely lumped together. But based on last year both Baylor and Ohio State should have been ranked lower, and teams like Mich St higher. OTOH, Clemson, LSU and Alabama's rankings were in line with last years' thinking. So they were kind of all over the place this year.

(11-04-2015 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama is already #4, and they play #2 LSU this week. They also have ranked Mississippi State after that.

The committee has made it clear that if they win out, they will very likely be in, even if they do not win the SEC.

You mean like last year, right? When TCU was #3 in the next-to-last committee ranking, the committee made it clear that TCU would be in if they won their last game, and TCU won that game by 55 points, and they were in.

Oh, wait.

And this year they have Baylor playing at home vs Texas during CCG weekend. That 55 point beatdown will surely propel Baylor into the CCG.

Some conferences never learn...

(11-04-2015 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw this:
How rare is it that three Big Ten teams (Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa) remain unbeaten this late into the season? The last time the conference had three teams start 8-0 in the same year was 1903, when Minnesota, Northwestern and Chicago did it. Michigan was also 7-0-1 through eight games in 1903, which would have been a tough year for the selection committee.

When Chicago is part of the last time something in the Big Ten happened- that's pretty remarkable...

It's easier to run the tables at a given point in the season with more teams (until the CCG). For instance, it's now possible to have two undefeated teams headed into the post season (CCG). That was mathematically impossible when everyone played everyone else in the conference.

(11-04-2015 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw this:
How rare is it that three Big Ten teams (Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa) remain unbeaten this late into the season? The last time the conference had three teams start 8-0 in the same year was 1903, when Minnesota, Northwestern and Chicago did it. Michigan was also 7-0-1 through eight games in 1903, which would have been a tough year for the selection committee.

When Chicago is part of the last time something in the Big Ten happened- that's pretty remarkable...

Back then, those teams didn't have the benefit of conf wins against Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers.

(11-04-2015 11:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama is already #4, and they play #2 LSU this week. They also have ranked Mississippi State after that.

The committee has made it clear that if they win out, they will very likely be in, even if they do not win the SEC.

You mean like last year, right? When TCU was #3 in the next-to-last committee ranking, the committee made it clear that TCU would be in if they won their last game, and TCU won that game by 55 points, and they were in.

Oh, wait.

And this year they have Baylor playing at home vs Texas during CCG weekend. That 55 point beatdown will surely propel Baylor into the CCG.

Some conferences never learn...

If you are Baylor and you are undefeated, do you want to face TCU or OU or OSU again after you have just defeated each of those teams in the preceding weeks? No way. An undefeated Baylor is likely in the playoff without a CCG. A CCG in that situation is simply an opportunity to get beat.

A CCG helps if you are on the bubble. If you are undefeated and "in", you don't want a CCG.

(11-04-2015 11:31 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 11:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama is already #4, and they play #2 LSU this week. They also have ranked Mississippi State after that.

The committee has made it clear that if they win out, they will very likely be in, even if they do not win the SEC.

You mean like last year, right? When TCU was #3 in the next-to-last committee ranking, the committee made it clear that TCU would be in if they won their last game, and TCU won that game by 55 points, and they were in.

Oh, wait.

And this year they have Baylor playing at home vs Texas during CCG weekend. That 55 point beatdown will surely propel Baylor into the CCG.

Some conferences never learn...

If you are Baylor and you are undefeated, do you want to face TCU or OU or OSU again after you have just defeated each of those teams in the preceding weeks? No way. An undefeated Baylor is likely in the playoff without a CCG. A CCG in that situation is simply an opportunity to get beat.

A CCG helps if you are on the bubble. If you are undefeated and "in", you don't want a CCG.

Except that, as you well know, even an undefeated Baylor is not necessarily "in".

That's the discussion. So you can't claim to prove your point by assuming the thing that's under debate.

Also the Chairman said they use strength of recruiting classes, very subjective. Which places none of your traditional FB powers at a true disadvantage. It's all BS. They need to let the best teams settled it on the field in 8 game PO system with guaranteed spot for the P5 CCG one for the highest ranked G5 and 2 at large.

(11-04-2015 11:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's easier to run the tables at a given point in the season with more teams (until the CCG). For instance, it's now possible to have two undefeated teams headed into the post season (CCG). That was mathematically impossible when everyone played everyone else in the conference.

Before the Big Ten expanded to 12, it was possible for them to have two undefeated teams each year. it may have even been possible to have three undefeated teams, though I'd have to do the math to see if it was possible for three separate teams to never play each other in an 8 game schedule for an 11 team conference.

(11-04-2015 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw this:
How rare is it that three Big Ten teams (Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa) remain unbeaten this late into the season? The last time the conference had three teams start 8-0 in the same year was 1903, when Minnesota, Northwestern and Chicago did it. Michigan was also 7-0-1 through eight games in 1903, which would have been a tough year for the selection committee.

When Chicago is part of the last time something in the Big Ten happened- that's pretty remarkable...

Last year there were 3 unbeaten at this point. Now there are 11 (although Toledo fell in the early game this week). Interestingly, there were a similar number of one loss teams and not a lot more 2 loss teams last year.