There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons in education….demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind the others in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb darkies taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down. If you close the gap between whites and underperforming minorities the US will be right near the top.

(11-03-2015 11:45 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons is demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb drakes taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down.

It IS a reality. Minorities ARE under educated in this country. If anything in the system needs to be changed, it is this undeniable fact.

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:45 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons is demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb drakes taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down.

It IS a reality. Minorities ARE under educated in this country. If anything in the system needs to be changed, it is this undeniable fact.

Until those minorities start believing and acting as though education is as important as the "majority" does, they will continue to lag behind. Funny how the orientals are a minority, but they aren't behind while some other minorities are.

There are large pockets of almost all whites in rural Appalachia that also lag behind - why, because they don't place the emphasis on it that other places do.

In other words, a big part of the problem with minorities and education is self inflicted.

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:45 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons is demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb drakes taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down.

It IS a reality. Minorities ARE under educated in this country. If anything in the system needs to be changed, it is this undeniable fact.

There isn't a system you can design that can overcome apathy. People tout those schools in Harlem for their achievements, but they haven't done anything different from charter and private school as they cater to students and teachers that actually value education and provide an environment where knowledge is valued.

(11-03-2015 09:28 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Eventually we will see this:

that could be the craziest-nerd-stripper-club thought I've ever had.......

my answer is 'stuff it in my crotch honey'

I know one tool in the public school's arsenal to push kids through and pretend like they were educated is the "No Zeros" policy.

Kid didn't do his homework? He gets a 40.
Kid didn't take the test? He gets a 40.
Kid never turned that in? He gets a 40.

It does nothing but help fudge the numbers the public schools are selling to the public.

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:45 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons is demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb drakes taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down.

It IS a reality. Minorities ARE under educated in this country. If anything in the system needs to be changed, it is this undeniable fact.

True enough, and education was once viewed as paramount in the advancement of minorities.

Now, not so much. What changed, and when?

(11-03-2015 11:45 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's one thing that's always overlooked in making international comparisons in education….demographics. We have large "ethnic" populations that have been perpetually behind the others in education.

Now before anyone gets all indignant and throws a hissy fit, I'm not saying we do poorly because we have too many dumb darkies taking tests. Regardless of why certain minority groups are falling behind, you cannot ignore this reality and pretend like education needs to be blown up and changed from the top down. If you close the gap between whites and underperforming minorities the US will be right near the top.

But but but ... Millennials are stupid and shouldn't be taken seriously.

So this info comes to this conclusion: Fit is a millennial thus Fit is stupid. Makes sense to me.

just for shites and giggies, this is how my brain works....always has....those damn puzzles

(250-90)+(3-7).....how's that for dyslexic conversion......lmao....

and it still works today....I told 'em all to fk off......
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Oh my God. I do the same thing when there's no paper around, so does that mean that we think alike?

Someone please get me a gun. It's time to leave this earth. BANG!

(11-03-2015 05:01 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  just for shites and giggies, this is how my brain works....always has....those damn puzzles

(250-90)+(3-7).....how's that for dyslexic conversion......lmao....

and it still works today....I told 'em all to fk off......

Oh my God. I do the same thing when there's no paper around, so does that mean that we think alike?

Someone please get me a gun. It's time to leave this earth. BANG!
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(11-02-2015 06:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 06:02 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 05:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 05:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  3 x 5 = 15 unless you are learning common core. The whole "carrying the one" thing with addition isn't taught anymore now either. Common core makes easy stuff too complicated.

You're confusing "curriculum," the way they teach, with "standards," which is what they teach and when they teach it.

I review my kids homework each night, etc. I had to teach her how to do the "carry the one" thing. She was like, "Daddy, that's so much easier than the way my teacher told me". I just shook my head. Whatever they are doing, it's crazy.

The common core math approach is actually something that will be a huge benefit over time if given a chance. I'll bet as an adult you use a lot more common core ideas during mental calculations than you realize. I know I can quickly come up with answers when deconstruct an odd integer into it's "parts", i.e. 364 into 300 + 60 + 4.

What I think is very interesting about this approach is that it eliminates subtraction and division and rolls them both into addition and multiplication. I know as I got older, I naturally did this myself and your homework in the higher level math classes do this for you. Why do 20/5 = 4 when in reality it's multiplying 1/5 * 20 (or 0.20 * 20)? When you think of numbers as being place holders and as simply positions on a numberline, it makes the more complicated math much easier to deal with.

The goal is to get away from "plug and chug" concepts that really don't promote learning.

Good example of subtraction by addition below.

just for shites and giggies, this is how my brain works....always has....those damn puzzles

(250-90)+(3-7).....how's that for dyslexic conversion......lmao....

and it still works today....I told 'em all to fk off......

I tend to do (240-80) + (3-7).

(11-03-2015 06:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 06:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 06:02 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 05:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 05:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  You're confusing "curriculum," the way they teach, with "standards," which is what they teach and when they teach it.

I review my kids homework each night, etc. I had to teach her how to do the "carry the one" thing. She was like, "Daddy, that's so much easier than the way my teacher told me". I just shook my head. Whatever they are doing, it's crazy.

The common core math approach is actually something that will be a huge benefit over time if given a chance. I'll bet as an adult you use a lot more common core ideas during mental calculations than you realize. I know I can quickly come up with answers when deconstruct an odd integer into it's "parts", i.e. 364 into 300 + 60 + 4.

What I think is very interesting about this approach is that it eliminates subtraction and division and rolls them both into addition and multiplication. I know as I got older, I naturally did this myself and your homework in the higher level math classes do this for you. Why do 20/5 = 4 when in reality it's multiplying 1/5 * 20 (or 0.20 * 20)? When you think of numbers as being place holders and as simply positions on a numberline, it makes the more complicated math much easier to deal with.

The goal is to get away from "plug and chug" concepts that really don't promote learning.

Good example of subtraction by addition below.

just for shites and giggies, this is how my brain works....always has....those damn puzzles

(250-90)+(3-7).....how's that for dyslexic conversion......lmao....

and it still works today....I told 'em all to fk off......

I tend to do (240-80) + (3-7).

funny how it's always 1 or 0 that will take you home......at times, I toss the 5 in there as a challenge.....or maybe I'm just half full of shite......puff puff baby