(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:

Week 1...2 byes
Week 2....1
Week 3...17
Week 4...17
Week 5....9
Week 6...17
Week 7...15
Week 8...17
Week 9...23
Week 10...8
Week 11..11
Week 12...9
Week 13...4

do you happen to have that chart from last season?

(09-21-2015 12:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:

Week 1...2 byes
Week 2....1
Week 3...17
Week 4...17
Week 5....9
Week 6...17
Week 7...15
Week 8...17
Week 9...23
Week 10...8
Week 11..11
Week 12...9
Week 13...4

do you happen to have that chart from last season?

I'll see if I can dig it up. I don't track that specifically, but I think I can extract it from another spreadsheet without too much pain.

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

Shouldn't affect the number of weeknight games because the numbers per year are set in the conference TV contracts.

Obviously playing on Friday night instead of Thursday makes it easier for the teams to play the previous Saturday. But, as we know there are many schools that won't play Friday home games because they want to play nice with high school coaches (which seems like an anachronism given that so many HS games are now played on Thursday and Saturday and HS games haven't been exclusively on Friday for a very long time, but that's another topic).

(09-21-2015 09:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 08:38 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:46 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:36 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  ...1. Undefeated Ohio University play at Minnesota this week.......

...
Ohio State
....
Ohio U.
....

Why spell out OHIO University but not University of Minnesota? isn't it easier to just say "Undefeated Ohio plays at Minnesota this week"?

And why add a "U" at the end of OHIO but not any other other school? Why not Indiana U, or Michigan U, or Minnesota U or Ohio State U?

Ohio's name is simply OHIO, there's no need to clarify, there's no confusion because there is only one OHIO. Thanks.

I knew I'd get called on this eventually and I'm surprised it took this long. If I was first starting the list now, I would have probably put Ohio (although as a traditionalist Ohio State fan who had no issue what-so-ever with being called Ohio by Hoke at Michigan, it felt weird), but I've been doing this either on this board, others, or just for myself since 2007. I know Ohio is what they push and have been trying to get called for about 2 decades, but I don't think I actually ever heard anyone in Columbus say just Ohio until after I graduated high school in 2003. Virtually everyone called it Ohio University or just OU including the people I was graduating with who were going there (that has changed since). Making up this list not too long afterward, it seemed really weird to just put Ohio and I've left it that way for the same reason I've left real names rather than initials (outside of the schools which contain both states and cities in their names) and have the teams in the initial order based on their 2006 conferences. It's kind of a testament to how things have changed since I started.

I'm not sure why you're catching so much criticism, you posted a quite well thought out analyzation of the college football season thus far. Kudos... I've always called Ohio State (on forums) "tOSU" for THE Ohio State.

The reason Ohio State refers to themselves as THE Ohio State University is because in the 90s Ohio State University sued Ohio University when OHIO applied for a copyright to their own name (Ohio) to be used for liscensing agreements. OSU, in their eternal arrogance, claimed that THEY were, in fact, Ohio, in spite of being founded a full 66yrs after OHIO.

OSU has been very successful in positioning itself as the official, and only, representative of all inhabitants of the state of Ohio so its important to them that they, only they, own the name of the state. Look no further than the screen name of the OP, he doesn't refer to himself as "ohiostate1317", its "ohio1317".

After failing spectacularly in their attempt to sue OHIO for exclusive rights to the name the Buckeyes responded by saying "Oh yeah, you might be the university of (the state of) Ohio but we're THE Ohio State University". So childish. So self involved. So typical Buckeyes.

This is why its so important to OHIO fans like myself for the name OHIO to be used on its own, without the "U" or the "University" after it because using those qualifiers implies that maybe OHIO could be a reference to that school in Columbus. It's important to OHIO fans that the name OHIO only be used as a reference to the school in Athens. I'm happy to say we've made a tremendous amount of progress in the last 10yrs or so. OHIO went from being referenced correctly sometimes to nearly every time. Progress is good.

p.s. keep this in mind the next you see Buckeye fans pile into "Ohio" Stadium to watch their band perform Script "Ohio" while cheering "OH-IO" and standing together to spell out O-H-I-O with their arms YMCA style. They're actually cheering for another D1 FBS school.

(09-21-2015 12:10 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 11:50 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:38 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:46 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:36 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  ...1. Undefeated Ohio University play at Minnesota this week.......

...
Ohio State
....
Ohio U.
....

Why spell out OHIO University but not University of Minnesota? isn't it easier to just say "Undefeated Ohio plays at Minnesota this week"?

And why add a "U" at the end of OHIO but not any other other school? Why not Indiana U, or Michigan U, or Minnesota U or Ohio State U?

Ohio's name is simply OHIO, there's no need to clarify, there's no confusion because there is only one OHIO. Thanks.

Because 3 of those teams you listed are U of Indiana, U of Michigan, U of Minnesota... He did it to refrain from creating confusion with Ohio State seeing as how both teams are undefeated.

no, it's not U of Indiana, it's Indiana University. Do people refer to the University of Oklahoma as UO or OU?

But let's get to the true nonsense of your post "he did it to refrain from creating confusion with Ohio State". AND THERE IT IS.

Ohio State is NOT Ohio.

name ONE example when Michigan U is used so people don't think its a reference to the Spartans, or Florida U and Seminoles, or Arizona and Sun Devils, or Oregon and Beavers, etc. etc.

Ohio State is not OHIO, and never will be. There is no confusion so there is no need to clarify by adding "U" or "University" after the name OHIO. Period.

I've really wanted for Ohio to start going by 'The Ohio University' or simply tOU. The abbreviated version keeps there from being any confusion between it and OU (University of Oklahoma, which doesn't know how to abbreviate) or even UO (Oregon)- and of course it would piss off the fans in Columbus.

lol, love it! I was pleasantly surprised when I received my diploma and found that the official name of the school is The Ohio University.

Gig em.

stever, I edited post #20 to show 2014 data.

Thru week 4 this year there will be 95 games vs FCS, compared with 93 last year. In total, though, there will be 4 fewer such games this year (104 vs 108).

I'm only counting games actually played, not scheduled. In both years there are games cancelled because of weather.

so looking this week and next week are 2 big weeks impacted by the 1 fewer bye....
this week- 17 byes vs 25
next week- 9 byes vs 22... so 26 vs 47 last year. An extra 10 games just about.

Then again weeks 9-11(makes sense, kind of mid-conference season).

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:


.............2015...2014
Week 1....2........4
Week 2....1........8
Week 3...17......19
Week 4...17......25
Week 5....9.......22
Week 6...17......14
Week 7...15......24
Week 8...17......23
Week 9...23......30
Week 10...8.......20
Week 11..11......30
Week 12...9.......28
Week 13...4........6

EDITED to add 2014 data

Don't really need an answer, but something seems off. shouldn't there be one more week in 2014? Shouldn't there be about 128 bye's in 2015, and about 256 in 2014?

(09-21-2015 02:08 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:


.............2015...2014
Week 1....2........4
Week 2....1........8
Week 3...17......19
Week 4...17......25
Week 5....9.......22
Week 6...17......14
Week 7...15......24
Week 8...17......23
Week 9...23......30
Week 10...8.......20
Week 11..11......30
Week 12...9.......28
Week 13...4........6

EDITED to add 2014 data

Don't really need an answer, but something seems off. shouldn't there be one more week in 2014? Shouldn't there be about 128 bye's in 2015, and about 256 in 2014?

You are right. I will fix that on the OP. Thanks. That's what I get for hurrying.

(09-21-2015 02:08 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:


.............2015...2014
Week 1....2........4
Week 2....1........8
Week 3...17......19
Week 4...17......25
Week 5....9.......22
Week 6...17......14
Week 7...15......24
Week 8...17......23
Week 9...23......30
Week 10...8.......20
Week 11..11......30
Week 12...9.......28
Week 13...4........6

EDITED to add 2014 data

Don't really need an answer, but something seems off. shouldn't there be one more week in 2014? Shouldn't there be about 128 bye's in 2015, and about 256 in 2014?

Actually, there are a few more than that, since neither the B12 or the SBC have a CCG. So some of their members get an extra bye week, because they are still playing regular season games when others are playing their CCG.

(09-21-2015 12:40 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 08:38 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:46 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 09:36 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  ...1. Undefeated Ohio University play at Minnesota this week.......

...
Ohio State
....
Ohio U.
....

Why spell out OHIO University but not University of Minnesota? isn't it easier to just say "Undefeated Ohio plays at Minnesota this week"?

And why add a "U" at the end of OHIO but not any other other school? Why not Indiana U, or Michigan U, or Minnesota U or Ohio State U?

Ohio's name is simply OHIO, there's no need to clarify, there's no confusion because there is only one OHIO. Thanks.

I knew I'd get called on this eventually and I'm surprised it took this long. If I was first starting the list now, I would have probably put Ohio (although as a traditionalist Ohio State fan who had no issue what-so-ever with being called Ohio by Hoke at Michigan, it felt weird), but I've been doing this either on this board, others, or just for myself since 2007. I know Ohio is what they push and have been trying to get called for about 2 decades, but I don't think I actually ever heard anyone in Columbus say just Ohio until after I graduated high school in 2003. Virtually everyone called it Ohio University or just OU including the people I was graduating with who were going there (that has changed since). Making up this list not too long afterward, it seemed really weird to just put Ohio and I've left it that way for the same reason I've left real names rather than initials (outside of the schools which contain both states and cities in their names) and have the teams in the initial order based on their 2006 conferences. It's kind of a testament to how things have changed since I started.

I'm not sure why you're catching so much criticism, you posted a quite well thought out analyzation of the college football season thus far. Kudos... I've always called Ohio State (on forums) "tOSU" for THE Ohio State.

The reason Ohio State refers to themselves as THE Ohio State University is because in the 90s Ohio State University sued Ohio University when OHIO applied for a copyright to their own name (Ohio) to be used for liscensing agreements. OSU, in their eternal arrogance, claimed that THEY were, in fact, Ohio, in spite of being founded a full 66yrs after OHIO.

OSU has been very successful in positioning itself as the official, and only, representative of all inhabitants of the state of Ohio so its important to them that they, only they, own the name of the state. Look no further than the screen name of the OP, he doesn't refer to himself as "ohiostate1317", its "ohio1317".

After failing spectacularly in their attempt to sue OHIO for exclusive rights to the name the Buckeyes responded by saying "Oh yeah, you might be the university of (the state of) Ohio but we're THE Ohio State University". So childish. So self involved. So typical Buckeyes.

This is why its so important to OHIO fans like myself for the name OHIO to be used on its own, without the "U" or the "University" after it because using those qualifiers implies that maybe OHIO could be a reference to that school in Columbus. It's important to OHIO fans that the name OHIO only be used as a reference to the school in Athens. I'm happy to say we've made a tremendous amount of progress in the last 10yrs or so. OHIO went from being referenced correctly sometimes to nearly every time. Progress is good.

p.s. keep this in mind the next you see Buckeye fans pile into "Ohio" Stadium to watch their band perform Script "Ohio" while cheering "OH-IO" and standing together to spell out O-H-I-O with their arms YMCA style. They're actually cheering for another D1 FBS school.

None or almost none of the school actually go by their full name. The way naming shortening has gone has become much more standardized and following the current conventions, OU is referred to as simply Ohio.

That said, that's looking at everything in a modern light. From a historic perspective, it's a little more complicated. Ohio State was commonly called just Ohio across the state in the past and the word state wasn't even put on uniforms. Cheers were regularly put as "Let's go Ohio." rather than "Let's go Bucks." You pointed out the stadium and the spelling, but in addition the student union is called the Ohio Union and neither the alma matter or the fight songs contain the words "state."

None of this is to say that OU cannot and should not call itself Ohio (it absolutely should), but the history isn't one way on this. Ohio State fans have history of just using the term Ohio and even if that has declined somewhat, we also shouldn't feel the need to abandon it. The very agreement which agreed OU was Ohio also stipulated OSU would continue to use the word Ohio by itself on a great number of things.

that said, I will remove the U next time I update.

Back to the main topic. I do have all the info from last year saved. I'll put it up when I get home tonight.

we agree that Ohio State has historically referred to itself as Ohio and not Ohio State. But that's the point, it's gone on for far too long and its not ok. I'm not mad at you specifically and didn't mean to hijack your thread.

But I do have to ask, knowing that there's another school named Ohio, doesn't it feel weird to still have all these traditions at OSU that refer to your school as Ohio and not Ohio State? Like in '08 and '10 when OU's football team came to Ohio Stadium and the Ohio State fans started cheering "OH....IO!", it was hilarious.

Btw when I win the lottery I'm buying OU a new stadium and naming it OHIO'S TATE STADIUM. Just to troll the Buckeyes.

(09-21-2015 05:58 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  we agree that Ohio State has historically referred to itself as Ohio and not Ohio State. But that's the point, it's gone on for far too long and its not ok. I'm not mad at you specifically and didn't mean to hijack your thread.

But I do have to ask, knowing that there's another school named Ohio, doesn't it feel weird to still have all these traditions at OSU that refer to your school as Ohio and not Ohio State? Like in '08 and '10 when OU's football team came to Ohio Stadium and the Ohio State fans started cheering "OH....IO!", it was hilarious.

Btw when I win the lottery I'm buying OU a new stadium and naming it OHIO'S TATE STADIUM. Just to troll the Buckeyes.

It doesn't strange at all. The whole reason I root for the Buckeyes is I love the focus on state pride and it would actually feel distracting to put Ohio State on a lot of things instead of Ohio (like my username :) ).

While an OSU alumni, I couldn't care less about school pride. Colleges in their current set-up have way too few checks on their spending, care too much about reputation, and too little about how many people are getting degrees in things that will never pay off financially while accumulating debt they'll be paying for possibly two decades. They aren't things to me worth having a lot of pride in (I know there's other aspects and I'm in the minority here but it's how I view it). I am very proud of being an Ohioan though, of the state's history, of the cities, country, theme parks, etc. So for me, when I hear Buckeye fans cheering for the state, loudly proclaiming that "We're from Ohio!" I love it. That's what keeps me following the sport so closely. If you re-worded that to add the word state, it would lose most its meaning to me.

Edit: The one thing I will add is that I don't care for playing in-state teams for the same reasons I like rooting for the school. I like thinking of football being one state vs. another and it's never as rewarding to play an instate team as we lose something with that. Along those lines, it bothered me a lot more to lose the Border War (Kansas-Missouri) than Texas vs. Texas A&M even though the latter was the bigger game.

(09-21-2015 02:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 02:08 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:


.............2015...2014
Week 1....2........4
Week 2....1........8
Week 3...17......19
Week 4...17......25
Week 5....9.......22
Week 6...17......14
Week 7...15......24
Week 8...17......23
Week 9...23......30
Week 10...8.......20
Week 11..11......30
Week 12...9.......28
Week 13...4........6

EDITED to add 2014 data

Don't really need an answer, but something seems off. shouldn't there be one more week in 2014? Shouldn't there be about 128 bye's in 2015, and about 256 in 2014?

Actually, there are a few more than that, since neither the B12 or the SBC have a CCG. So some of their members get an extra bye week, because they are still playing regular season games when others are playing their CCG.

I was thinking about that. what do you do with CCG week? Is that like a bye week for everybody who does not make it to their conference's CCG? Normally I would say no, but there are other teams playing that week not in a CCG. Its confusing.

(09-21-2015 07:39 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 02:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 02:08 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think this may be the week where we see a lot more carnage than last few years only because I think this is the weekend where there's a lot more games vs before with the 1 fewer bye week.

Yet, oddly, no fewer than six of the unbeatens are idle in the same week - Florida St, Clemson, Miami,Oklahoma, Kansas St and Temple.

I wonder what impact the loss of that extra bye week will have on the number and quality of weeknight games this season. It's a lot easier to schedule a Thursday night game if you are idle the Saturday before.

I just looked it up - there aren't more games this week, but we are getting to the point where many more of the games are between FBS opponents, meaning more teams are at risk than during the first few weeks. The bye weeks are pretty well spread out over the season. By week they are:


.............2015...2014
Week 1....2........4
Week 2....1........8
Week 3...17......19
Week 4...17......25
Week 5....9.......22
Week 6...17......14
Week 7...15......24
Week 8...17......23
Week 9...23......30
Week 10...8.......20
Week 11..11......30
Week 12...9.......28
Week 13...4........6

EDITED to add 2014 data

Don't really need an answer, but something seems off. shouldn't there be one more week in 2014? Shouldn't there be about 128 bye's in 2015, and about 256 in 2014?

Actually, there are a few more than that, since neither the B12 or the SBC have a CCG. So some of their members get an extra bye week, because they are still playing regular season games when others are playing their CCG.

I was thinking about that. what do you do with CCG week? Is that like a bye week for everybody who does not make it to their conference's CCG? Normally I would say no, but there are other teams playing that week not in a CCG. Its confusing.

FWIW, I didn't count those as byes, because if they aren't playing it's because their regular season is already over. Generally, I look at a bye week as one after which there is still another game to be played. As a practical matter, what difference does it make? This isn't something anybody keeps statistics on.

(09-21-2015 07:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:58 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  we agree that Ohio State has historically referred to itself as Ohio and not Ohio State. But that's the point, it's gone on for far too long and its not ok. I'm not mad at you specifically and didn't mean to hijack your thread.

But I do have to ask, knowing that there's another school named Ohio, doesn't it feel weird to still have all these traditions at OSU that refer to your school as Ohio and not Ohio State? Like in '08 and '10 when OU's football team came to Ohio Stadium and the Ohio State fans started cheering "OH....IO!", it was hilarious.

Btw when I win the lottery I'm buying OU a new stadium and naming it OHIO'S TATE STADIUM. Just to troll the Buckeyes.

It doesn't strange at all. The whole reason I root for the Buckeyes is I love the focus on state pride and it would actually feel distracting to put Ohio State on a lot of things instead of Ohio (like my username :) ).

While an OSU alumni, I couldn't care less about school pride. Colleges in their current set-up have way too few checks on their spending, care too much about reputation, and too little about how many people are getting degrees in things that will never pay off financially while accumulating debt they'll be paying for possibly two decades. They aren't things to me worth having a lot of pride in (I know there's other aspects and I'm in the minority here but it's how I view it). I am very proud of being an Ohioan though, of the state's history, of the cities, country, theme parks, etc. So for me, when I hear Buckeye fans cheering for the state, loudly proclaiming that "We're from Ohio!" I love it. That's what keeps me following the sport so closely. If you re-worded that to add the word state, it would lose most its meaning to me.

Edit: The one thing I will add is that I don't care for playing in-state teams for the same reasons I like rooting for the school. I like thinking of football being one state vs. another and it's never as rewarding to play an instate team as we lose something with that. Along those lines, it bothered me a lot more to lose the Border War (Kansas-Missouri) than Texas vs. Texas A&M even though the latter was the bigger game.

Like most folks, you and I agree on a lot of things but disagree on a few.

This is one of the few. I consider states as merely interchangeable administrative lines on a map, nothing more.

I consider that "states rights" died at Appomattox and have never understood "state pride".

I have traveled all over this country and state lines have never really held any practical meaning for me.

I spent my first 26 years in Pennsylvania and the last 32 in Louisiana.

I have zero emotional ties to either. None. No "state pride" ever invoked in my by either one.

When I retire, I will likely move to property my wife and I are buying in Virginia.

The fact that it is in something called "Virginia" is accidental and superfluous. It was just some mountain acreage we liked.

If a new state was formed there called Transylvania or Utopia, I wouldn't care.

I am certainly not knocking your beliefs or pride of place in any manner.

I realize that this is likely just me (fairly alone with this position) but your post made me consider our differences on this issue.

Anyway, I don't see Ohio Stadium changing its name any time soon unless the other poster does hit the Powerball.

Take care.

As promised, here is the data from the past few years:

2014:
Percent of Last Week's Undefeated Teams with 1st loss:
Week 1: 31.25% (40 of 128)
Week 2: 36.36% (32 of 88)
Week 3: 39.29% (22 of 56)
Week 4: 26.47% (9 of 34)
Week 5: 32% (8 of 25)
Week 6: 41.18% (7 of 17)
Week 7: 40% (4 of 10)
Week 8: 33.33% (2 of 6)
Week 9: 25% (1 of 4)
Week 10: 0% (0 of 3)
Week 11: 0% (0 of 3)
Week 12: 33% (1 of 3)
Week 13: 0% (0 of 2)
Week 14: 50% (1 of 2)
Week 15: 0% (0 of 1)
Bowls: 100% (1 of 1)

2013:
Percent of Last Week's Undefeated Teams with 1st loss:
Week 1: 41.13% (51 of 124)
Week 2: 31.51% (23 of 73)
Week 3: 30% (15 of 50)
Week 4: 17.14% (6 of 35)
Week 5: 31.03% (9 of 29)
Week 6: 15% (3 of 20)
Week 7: 17.65% (3 of 17)
Week 8: 28.57% (4 of 14)
Week 9: 20% (2 of 10)
Week 10: 12.5% (1 of 8)
Week 11: 14.29% (1 of 7)
Week 12: 0% (0 of 6)
Week 13: 16.67% (1 of 6)
Week 14: 40% (2 of 5)
Week 15: 66.67% (2 of 3)
Bowls: 0% (0 of 1)

(09-21-2015 08:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:58 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  we agree that Ohio State has historically referred to itself as Ohio and not Ohio State. But that's the point, it's gone on for far too long and its not ok. I'm not mad at you specifically and didn't mean to hijack your thread.

But I do have to ask, knowing that there's another school named Ohio, doesn't it feel weird to still have all these traditions at OSU that refer to your school as Ohio and not Ohio State? Like in '08 and '10 when OU's football team came to Ohio Stadium and the Ohio State fans started cheering "OH....IO!", it was hilarious.

Btw when I win the lottery I'm buying OU a new stadium and naming it OHIO'S TATE STADIUM. Just to troll the Buckeyes.

It doesn't strange at all. The whole reason I root for the Buckeyes is I love the focus on state pride and it would actually feel distracting to put Ohio State on a lot of things instead of Ohio (like my username :) ).

While an OSU alumni, I couldn't care less about school pride. Colleges in their current set-up have way too few checks on their spending, care too much about reputation, and too little about how many people are getting degrees in things that will never pay off financially while accumulating debt they'll be paying for possibly two decades. They aren't things to me worth having a lot of pride in (I know there's other aspects and I'm in the minority here but it's how I view it). I am very proud of being an Ohioan though, of the state's history, of the cities, country, theme parks, etc. So for me, when I hear Buckeye fans cheering for the state, loudly proclaiming that "We're from Ohio!" I love it. That's what keeps me following the sport so closely. If you re-worded that to add the word state, it would lose most its meaning to me.

Edit: The one thing I will add is that I don't care for playing in-state teams for the same reasons I like rooting for the school. I like thinking of football being one state vs. another and it's never as rewarding to play an instate team as we lose something with that. Along those lines, it bothered me a lot more to lose the Border War (Kansas-Missouri) than Texas vs. Texas A&M even though the latter was the bigger game.

Like most folks, you and I agree on a lot of things but disagree on a few.

This is one of the few. I consider states as merely interchangeable administrative lines on a map, nothing more.

I consider that "states rights" died at Appomattox and have never understood "state pride".

I have traveled all over this country and state lines have never really held any practical meaning for me.

I spent my first 26 years in Pennsylvania and the last 32 in Louisiana.

I have zero emotional ties to either. None. No "state pride" ever invoked in my by either one.

When I retire, I will likely move to property my wife and I are buying in Virginia.

The fact that it is in something called "Virginia" is accidental and superfluous. It was just some mountain acreage we liked.

If a new state was formed there called Transylvania or Utopia, I wouldn't care.

I am certainly not knocking your beliefs or pride of place in any manner.

I realize that this is likely just me (fairly alone with this position) but your post made me consider our differences on this issue.

Anyway, I don't see Ohio Stadium changing its name any time soon unless the other poster does hit the Powerball.

Take care.

It is one of the few issues on here I think we have come from very different perspectives on. To me, I guess part of it is having always lived and traveled a lot in Ohio and the part of it stems from loving the idea of federalism and how it was implemented in the Constitution (something tragically hurt by the 17th Amendment, court overreach, and a lot more over the past century (although less so from the Civil War itself imo)).

(09-21-2015 07:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:58 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  we agree that Ohio State has historically referred to itself as Ohio and not Ohio State. But that's the point, it's gone on for far too long and its not ok. I'm not mad at you specifically and didn't mean to hijack your thread.

But I do have to ask, knowing that there's another school named Ohio, doesn't it feel weird to still have all these traditions at OSU that refer to your school as Ohio and not Ohio State? Like in '08 and '10 when OU's football team came to Ohio Stadium and the Ohio State fans started cheering "OH....IO!", it was hilarious.

Btw when I win the lottery I'm buying OU a new stadium and naming it OHIO'S TATE STADIUM. Just to troll the Buckeyes.

It doesn't strange at all. The whole reason I root for the Buckeyes is I love the focus on state pride and it would actually feel distracting to put Ohio State on a lot of things instead of Ohio (like my username :) ).

While an OSU alumni, I couldn't care less about school pride. Colleges in their current set-up have way too few checks on their spending, care too much about reputation, and too little about how many people are getting degrees in things that will never pay off financially while accumulating debt they'll be paying for possibly two decades. They aren't things to me worth having a lot of pride in (I know there's other aspects and I'm in the minority here but it's how I view it). I am very proud of being an Ohioan though, of the state's history, of the cities, country, theme parks, etc. So for me, when I hear Buckeye fans cheering for the state, loudly proclaiming that "We're from Ohio!" I love it. That's what keeps me following the sport so closely. If you re-worded that to add the word state, it would lose most its meaning to me.

Edit: The one thing I will add is that I don't care for playing in-state teams for the same reasons I like rooting for the school. I like thinking of football being one state vs. another and it's never as rewarding to play an instate team as we lose something with that. Along those lines, it bothered me a lot more to lose the Border War (Kansas-Missouri) than Texas vs. Texas A&M even though the latter was the bigger game.

Ohio University(1804)- 28,876 students.
Miami University(1809)- 17,901 students.
University of Cincinnati(1819)- 43,691 students.
University of Akron(1870)- 24,932 students.
Ohio State University(1870)- 57,466 students.
University of Toledo(1872)- 20,743 students.
Bowling Green State University(1910)- 16,958 students.
Kent State University University(1910)- 28,998 students.

Suggesting that OSU's football team 'represents the state of Ohio" when there are 7 other FBS programs in the state is offensive to everyone who is a fan of the other 7 schools, even if no offense was intended. Ohio State never represents the entire state and to believe so is to play into the stereo-type that all Buckeye fans are full of themselves.

But if its important to you to tie the identity of an entire state to a college football team then why not root for Ohio? Seems like the easiest solution.

cheers.