(09-15-2015 09:50 PM)Mark26pt2 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:49 PM)Mark26pt2 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:46 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:35 PM)Mark26pt2 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 08:27 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  I like that fact that no one is bringing up NIU playing the Illini anymore. Nothing to gain by it for the Huskies, at least until they actually have a football team in Chambana.

I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

You think beating Illini's current squad will warrant respect?

In my Dad's 77 year old eyes? I don't think he will ever admit it - but it will be the same as with my Alabama colleagues. When they get big in their britches I just remind them "1-0 NIU". So when my Dad starts talking his BS - I would just say "remember in 2016 when the Huskies kicked the Illini ass?"

he would not shut up - but it will still feel good

OK - Maybe I have a few issues to work out - LOL

Is your dad a CFB fan? I think MOST CFB fans respect NIU. However, most people who primarily watch the NFL (typical Chicago market) act like your father - at least in my experience.

Quote:I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

(09-15-2015 10:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

Actually, it's because non conference games are agreed and scheduled years in advance. For instance, niu has their non conference games mapped till 2021.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...uskies.php

It's not an impromptu decision on who plays who. Illinois played niu less than 5 years ago and won. That's damn recent

(09-15-2015 10:45 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

Actually, it's because non conference games are agreed and scheduled years in advance. For instance, niu has their non conference games mapped till 2021.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...uskies.php

It's not an impromptu decision on who plays who. Illinois played niu less than 5 years ago and won. That's damn recent

Why haven't we scheduled a game yet? NIUs intent to play them is clear, so someone must not be picking up the phone.

(09-15-2015 10:47 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:45 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

Actually, it's because non conference games are agreed and scheduled years in advance. For instance, niu has their non conference games mapped till 2021.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...uskies.php

It's not an impromptu decision on who plays who. Illinois played niu less than 5 years ago and won. That's damn recent

Why haven't we scheduled a game yet? NIUs intent to play them is clear, so someone must not be picking up the phone.

Maybe, but more likely is because they both want to expand recognition outside of Illinois. Who knows what the teams will look like in 2022/23, just look at the 2007 niu team.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Nor...tball_team

8 years is a lot. To say Illinois won't schedule because they're scared due to recent success just doesn't add up.

The fact Illinois can't field a team that is not embarrassing despite their unlimited resources and ability to recruit solid players just goes to show how dysfunctional the program is. A real real embarrassment year in and year out, and Id even put them below Illinois State now and 4th in the state for best football program

Illness sucks balls... we all know it... the entire operation smells to high heaven... always sick in dealing with an Illness grad that looks down on NIU... get bent Illness

(09-15-2015 10:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact Illinois can't field a team that is not embarrassing despite their unlimited resources and ability to recruit solid players just goes to show how dysfunctional the program is. A real real embarrassment year in and year out, and Id even put them below Illinois State now and 4th in the state for best football program

That's nice, too bad no one who gets paid for their thoughts agrees with you.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
Others receiving votes: .... Illinois 8,...

I'm not saying Illinois is good, I don't even think they deserve those votes, but after nius less than stellar performance vs terrible teams the first few weeks, the national novelty has clearly warn off of niu. Illinois is undoubtedly a better team, and at least 8 coaches agree with me, or however that works.

(09-15-2015 11:05 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact Illinois can't field a team that is not embarrassing despite their unlimited resources and ability to recruit solid players just goes to show how dysfunctional the program is. A real real embarrassment year in and year out, and Id even put them below Illinois State now and 4th in the state for best football program

That's nice, too bad no one who gets paid for their thoughts agrees with you.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
Others receiving votes: .... Illinois 8,...

I'm not saying Illinois is good, I don't even think they deserve those votes, but after nius less than stellar performance vs terrible teams the first few weeks, the national novelty has clearly warn off of niu. Illinois is undoubtedly a better team, and at least 8 coaches agree with me, or however that works.

Yeah your instinct to ignore those 8 votes from Big 10 ten coaches is probably smart. NIU is immeasurably a better football program than Illinois

Best football program in each state, note Champaign is located almost in the nostril of the Huskie, sounds about right, Illinois football is about as important as a crusty booger right now.

(09-15-2015 10:54 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:47 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:45 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I still want to see NIU beat the Illini - just so I can shut my dad up. I am sick of hearing about them and his lack of respect for NIU

They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

Actually, it's because non conference games are agreed and scheduled years in advance. For instance, niu has their non conference games mapped till 2021.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...uskies.php

It's not an impromptu decision on who plays who. Illinois played niu less than 5 years ago and won. That's damn recent

Why haven't we scheduled a game yet? NIUs intent to play them is clear, so someone must not be picking up the phone.

Maybe, but more likely is because they both want to expand recognition outside of Illinois. Who knows what the teams will look like in 2022/23, just look at the 2007 niu team.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Nor...tball_team

8 years is a lot. To say Illinois won't schedule because they're scared due to recent success just doesn't add up.

You can flip that to my point, too. 8 years is a long time to not schedule one of the more competive teams in the state. Whatever the reason is, a game between the two is long overdue. I'm not contributing it to specifically fear, but Illini has little to no reason to schedule us, and possibly losing to us is another thing they are definitely considering.

(09-15-2015 11:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:05 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact Illinois can't field a team that is not embarrassing despite their unlimited resources and ability to recruit solid players just goes to show how dysfunctional the program is. A real real embarrassment year in and year out, and Id even put them below Illinois State now and 4th in the state for best football program

That's nice, too bad no one who gets paid for their thoughts agrees with you.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
Others receiving votes: .... Illinois 8,...

I'm not saying Illinois is good, I don't even think they deserve those votes, but after nius less than stellar performance vs terrible teams the first few weeks, the national novelty has clearly warn off of niu. Illinois is undoubtedly a better team, and at least 8 coaches agree with me, or however that works.

Yeah your instinct to ignore those 8 votes from Big 10 ten coaches is probably smart. NIU is immeasurably a better football program than Illinois

Best football program in each state, note Champaign is located almost in the nostril of the Huskie, sounds about right, Illinois football is about as important as a crusty booger right now.

That was from months ago. Northwestern is ranked now. That's the thing about sports editorials, they change pretty quickly.

(09-15-2015 11:13 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:54 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:47 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:45 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  They do. However, they fear NIU and when it boils down to why they won't play them -- it's always "Because we don't want to get beat until we find a good coach!"

Actually, it's because non conference games are agreed and scheduled years in advance. For instance, niu has their non conference games mapped till 2021.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...uskies.php

It's not an impromptu decision on who plays who. Illinois played niu less than 5 years ago and won. That's damn recent

Why haven't we scheduled a game yet? NIUs intent to play them is clear, so someone must not be picking up the phone.

Maybe, but more likely is because they both want to expand recognition outside of Illinois. Who knows what the teams will look like in 2022/23, just look at the 2007 niu team.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Nor...tball_team

8 years is a lot. To say Illinois won't schedule because they're scared due to recent success just doesn't add up.

You can flip that to my point, too. 8 years is a long time to not schedule one of the more competive teams in the state. Whatever the reason is, a game between the two is long overdue. I'm not contributing it to specifically fear, but Illini has little to no reason to schedule us, and possibly losing to us is another thing they are definitely considering.

You're right, they have nothing to gain. It's not like they're losing recruits to niu. Win/lose, it wouldn't matter. Illinois plays northwestern every year, so they do play an arguably competitive in state team. They would rather use their non conference games to increase exposure on the east coast and in recruiting hot beds like Arizona and Texas. Although frustrating for you, you have to understand why they wouldn't be in a hurry, regardless of how successful niu is

EDIT: 5 years is not long overdue by any means.

This entire conversation from both sides is both entertaining and stupid.

However...to the comment on increasing their east coast exposure and recruiting hot beds...lol. really?

Mid Ten State
Western Illinois
Western Kentucky
Miami (OH)
Southern Illinois
Western Michigan
South Dakota State

Illinois has needed wins, plain and simple. I have no idea why they haven't played NIU or why NIU hasn' t played them, but it's not for the reasons you list above.

(09-15-2015 11:37 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  This entire conversation from both sides is both entertaining and stupid.

However...to the comment on increasing their east coast exposure and recruiting hot beds...lol. really?

Mid Ten State
Western Illinois
Western Kentucky
Miami (OH)
Southern Illinois
Western Michigan
South Dakota State

They're playing unc on Saturday...

Obviously they're going to schedule puff teams, everyone does. So congratulations niu, I guess you've been promoted out of puff status.

EDIT: Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Ohio are all recruiting hot beds

(09-15-2015 11:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:05 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact Illinois can't field a team that is not embarrassing despite their unlimited resources and ability to recruit solid players just goes to show how dysfunctional the program is. A real real embarrassment year in and year out, and Id even put them below Illinois State now and 4th in the state for best football program

That's nice, too bad no one who gets paid for their thoughts agrees with you.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
Others receiving votes: .... Illinois 8,...

I'm not saying Illinois is good, I don't even think they deserve those votes, but after nius less than stellar performance vs terrible teams the first few weeks, the national novelty has clearly warn off of niu. Illinois is undoubtedly a better team, and at least 8 coaches agree with me, or however that works.

Yeah your instinct to ignore those 8 votes from Big 10 ten coaches is probably smart. NIU is immeasurably a better football program than Illinois

Best football program in each state, note Champaign is located almost in the nostril of the Huskie, sounds about right, Illinois football is about as important as a crusty booger right now.

Hasn't Illinois won the last 4 meetings with NIU?

(09-15-2015 08:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  When Illinois beats a team that Naperville North could not beat, then maybe that is when to start this discussion.

Go Huskies!

Illini only wishes they were in the same discussion as NIU with regards to football.

(09-15-2015 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  Illinois is better off with Cubit than with Beckman but whether or not that will actually lead to more wins, I have no idea. There's still a lack of talent relative to the rest of the B1G but they at least have an adult running things now.

I thought going into the year they'd be a better team than last year but not win as many games and I'll stick with that until if/when they pull off an upset.

...said every team BUT Ohio State. It's not like U of I is special in this regard.

At some point, U of I fans have to realize that they are not a destination school for elite athletes and coaches anymore. They are a destination school for elite minds. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I'm not trying to be mean here, as pretty much every friend of mine likes U of I. Some because they went there, and others because they grew up watching them. What I fail to understand is, why these fans continue to be confused as to why they can't land elite (yes, I said it) coaches or players for their programs. They hold the program up like it is the most attractive program in the country, and are completely blown away and let down when they don't get these types of players (especially in basketball) and coaches. I could see their point if we were in the 1920's or 1950's (football), but after that there isn't much to hang their hats on. I think they could do themselves a favor by being a little more realistic.

(09-15-2015 11:40 PM)areyouhappyidiot? Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:37 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  This entire conversation from both sides is both entertaining and stupid.

However...to the comment on increasing their east coast exposure and recruiting hot beds...lol. really?

Mid Ten State
Western Illinois
Western Kentucky
Miami (OH)
Southern Illinois
Western Michigan
South Dakota State

They're playing unc on Saturday...

Obviously they're going to schedule puff teams, everyone does. So congratulations niu, I guess you've been promoted out of puff status.

EDIT: Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Ohio are all recruiting hot beds

Kentucky? Tennessee? Come on dude, give it up.

Kalamazoo? Oxford? And if they're coming to Illinois to play, why would that even matter?

This is becoming more and more amusing.

Stupid Illini trolls making me agree with Maddawgz!!!

Yes, the Illini get higher rated recruits and rarely lose recruits to NIU.

No, that doesn't guarantee better results. In fact, it makes it even more pathetic when they perform worse on the field.

No, 8 votes in a poll don't mean ****.

Bragging about wins over WIU and Kent doesn't pass the laugh test.

If you're insecure enough to troll another school's message board, you don't get to say how "cute" it is.

NIU is 5-3 vs the B1G since playing Purdue in 2009, and none were at home. When's the last time Illinois put up a 5-3 B1G record?

Yes, 5 years is a long time to schedule another school. But it's no accident that Illinois has avoided scheduling NIU when the Huskies have been good (the 2010 meeting was scheduled before NIU took off under Jerry Kill). It has nothing to do with new fertile recruiting grounds or time. The Illini have over decades demonstrated that they are ******* and unwilling to schedule in state teams who are doing well. They wouldn't play top 10 Bradley or top 10 Loyola in the 1950s and 60s. They didn't play DePaul in the 1980s. They wouldn't schedule SIU when they were making multiple Sweet 16s in the 2000s. It's their longstanding institutional policy to avoid playing in state teams when they're good because they'd rather just rest on their (fading) brand and reputation.

Now, they don't have any obligation to play in state teams when they're good. But it makes them *******.