(08-19-2015 07:17 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:07 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  .....and to think that some of these people posting in this thread were nominated to be moderators for this site.

I knew where this headed as soon as it was posted.

you won't gouge my eyes over it will you?

i've never wanted to be a moderator on this board or on the sun belt board though people in both places suggested it.

but i don't like to let sideways swipes go without a tit for tat. it's why i always say i want no part of being a moderator even though i'm as real about western as i am about any other school.

and if you knew where this was headed then why read it? and then why comment?

your boy is the one that started in on western. but when wkuyg and i respond it's what? unseemly? next time you know where something is headed....don't click. it's that easy.

I wasn't attempting to down play arrests. That was western fans.

And there is no sideways swipe. What they said can't be disputed and they were sugar coating. The delusion that comes from your amigos makes this board unreadable sometimes.

Case in point, a story comes out how Bowling Green is one of the top college towns and there are a dozen western fans lauding it as the greatest reporting since Walter Cronkite and looking for every excuse to validate what was essentially an opinion piece. Then we get arrests records that are you know factually-based empirical data and that thing is nothing but horse manure. It's always a matter of perspective. Same reason western has never lost a single game in the minds of most of your fanbase. There was always an underlying condition that allowed the other team to win. That shizzle just gets old.

And I would like to apologize if I insinuated that we always kick off kids who get arrested. I did say most of the time; however, the AD and President are typically willing to let the situation play out to see if charges are going to be filed and wait until all the facts are in to understand the severity of the alleged crime.

And beed I don't give a damn if the sport is ping pong. That student-athlete represents your school and I would imagine your women's basketball coach is one of the top five paid people in the athletic dept. Regardless of what you think about women's basketball it is a reflection of your administration. Reflects on your degree holders too.

I would be pissed as all get out if we had a fellon not dismissed and I don't care what sport it is. I would personally be calling out the president and AD publicly if that happened at Middle. I just don't see that from your fan base. And saying WBB is not a real sport is s horse shat excuse.

(08-19-2015 08:25 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:17 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:07 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  .....and to think that some of these people posting in this thread were nominated to be moderators for this site.

I knew where this headed as soon as it was posted.

you won't gouge my eyes over it will you?

i've never wanted to be a moderator on this board or on the sun belt board though people in both places suggested it.

but i don't like to let sideways swipes go without a tit for tat. it's why i always say i want no part of being a moderator even though i'm as real about western as i am about any other school.

and if you knew where this was headed then why read it? and then why comment?

your boy is the one that started in on western. but when wkuyg and i respond it's what? unseemly? next time you know where something is headed....don't click. it's that easy.

I wasn't attempting to down play arrests. That was western fans.

And there is no sideways swipe. What they said can't be disputed and they were sugar coating. The delusion that comes from your amigos makes this board unreadable sometimes.

Case in point, a story comes out how Bowling Green is one of the top college towns and there are a dozen western fans lauding it as the greatest reporting since Walter Cronkite and looking for every excuse to validate what was essentially an opinion piece.


A total of 4 Western fans posted in that topic...repeat after me FOUR. About the same as muts fans http://csnbbs.com/thread-744427.html

The OP made a generic post with the info from the link...NOTHING ELSE. No Western fan posted on the first page of the topic. Nope not till a muts fan

(08-05-2015 01:38 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Bowling Green? Lmao.

only then did 3 more Western fans make a post


Then we get arrests records that are you know factually-based empirical data and that thing is nothing but horse manure. It's always a matter of perspective.

Two Western fans said anything about the arrest...I was one and I made the point that I bet the % is higher for now football students than football

That's not manure...comparing facts. Of course facts is something you like to avoid..at ALL COST


Same reason western has never lost a single game in the minds of most of your fanbase. There was always an underlying condition that allowed the other team to win. That shizzle just gets old.

show me these post you are talking about? I bet it's no more than muts fans, or Tech fans, or Marshall fans, or FAU fans, or UAB fans...ANY FANS

But what is true...you seem to post more about Western, more than Western do.

And I would like to apologize if I insinuated that we always kick off kids who get arrested. I did say most of the time; however, the AD and President are typically willing to let the situation play out to see if charges are going to be filed and wait until all the facts are in to understand the severity of the alleged crime.


So stealing from other players is not enough facts?

Dragging a girl down the hall by the hair wasn't enough, choking out a girl wasn't enough and even choking out this same girl and beaning her to the head with a football wasn't enough to get a player kicked off the team...

nope it took the release of the video showing this along with 2 other muts players doing play by play..."before all the facts were in"

Boy you sure do act like "little brother" always crying and complaining

my response is below the bold type

Damn - you guys took away all the glory that Marshall should have with this thread

(08-19-2015 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Dragging a girl down the hall by the hair wasn't enough, choking out a girl wasn't enough and even choking out this same girl and beaning her to the head with a football wasn't enough to get a player kicked off the team...

nope it took the release of the video showing this along with 2 other muts players doing play by play..."before all the facts were in"

my response is below the bold type
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I was going to let this go the first time but you keep repeating the same nonsense. Not sure if you are being intentionally deceptive or you are just dense. No one was aware of the any of those incidents until the girl filed the complaint .There was one report that included all three incidents. So no they were not over looked. To keep repeating it you have to be either incredibly dishonest or stupid.

I am consistent in my critiques. I will never say anything about a one time minor offense. Domestic violence is not minor. A fight is. Getting a PD is minor. Getting behind the wheel drunk isn't. A little weed is minor. A pound for sale isn't. Nobody says a word about the your LB/coach's kid that got arrested. But Allen got arrested twice after already having a major(DUI) offense. He is going to have to kill somebody to get kicked off. You can can reach and grasp and stretch for false equivalencies all you want but I don't think he would be playing for any other team in the league. Just own it.

So....
breaking into peoples cars
breaking into a home and stealing the property of your teammates
gun charges
assaulting an officer
"Police say former player Anthony Amos and current redshirt sophomore Jared Singletary were arrested for disorderly conduct.

Jerrold Frazier is charged with assaulting an officer "

aren't "majors" but a college student getting caught driving a car while drunk is?

I'm glad to see we agree domestic violence is major especially when you go punching people

Marcus Tarrance sit out 2 games for the below...TWO FREAKING GAMES

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. (AP) - Middle Tennessee coach Kermit Davis has suspended Marcus Tarrance indefinitely from basketball activities following his arrest on a charge of domestic violence.

Davis said in a statement Monday only that Tarrance has been suspended since Saturday night "due to conduct detrimental to the team."

The Daily News Journal reported that Tarrance was arrested after a win over Akron on Saturday when Murfreesboro police officers were called by his girlfriend. A police report says the woman had a swollen black eye and a scratch on her face. She told officers Tarrance had hit her "several times in the last 10 months," according to the newspaper.

Tarrance is free on $1,250 bond with a Jan. 2 court date. He started two of the first three games for the Blue Raiders.


Lets don't forget about big bad "sucker puncher" Dearco Nolan that was allowed to play after...

MURFREESBORO — MTSU football player Dearco Nolan was arrested Thursday for aggravated assault from six weeks earlier.

Nolan, 22, allegedly struck 22-year-old MTSU student Charles Williams and broke his jaw on March 23 during a party at Williams’ residence at 1320 Journey Drive, Apt. 322.

In the March 23 incident report, Williams told Murfreesboro Police “at approximately midnight a female was in a verbal altercation with another individual. A few minutes later, Williams stated he saw a black male, identified as (Nolan), walking up the stairs.”

Williams told police he said, “There he is,” to Nolan. After that, Williams was struck in the face by either Nolan or another black male named Marquise, according to the report.

On Monday night, MPD spokesman Kyle Evans said further investigation determined that Nolan struck Williams. The incident report also said Nolan used alcohol on the night of the alleged assault.

Williams took himself to Middle Tennessee Medical Center, where he learned he had a broken jaw that required surgery, according to the report.

Williams told News Channel 5, “(Nolan) hit me on my right side when I wasn’t looking at him. It happened so quick. He was a big dude. He broke my jaw. He took away my ability to eat solid food for six weeks.”

Guess there wasn't any video in either of those.

Sorry chief you'll have to throw some links. You seem to be rambling.

Terrance was suspended until charges were dropped. Story we were told is GF went through his phone during the Akron found some cheating and flipped. He was cleared by police. Hell hath no fury. May not be true but Kermit has kicked starters for less I doubt he went through a big cover up for a back up. I sure you will believe what you want.

Buy Leon another round for me.

muts only had 2 games between the dates marked



At least we know this is one muts player that couldn't record a big ass bully choking out a tiny girl..

his phone wasn't charged

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — Middle Tennessee State junior wide receiver Devin Clarke was arrested Friday on charges of shoplifting a $29.88 iPhone car charger from a Walmart at 2900 South Rutherford Blvd., according to a Murfreesboro police report.

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Clarke practiced with the team Monday. Coach Rick Stockstill said he received the police report Monday afternoon and had not yet decided Clarke's punishment. Clarke, a junior college transfer, has 18 receptions for 318 yards and no touchdowns.

Clarke was released on $1,000 bond. His court date is March 10.

Seems like muts love to recruit two types of players

sticky fingers that can't keep their hands off other peoples belongings
bullies that love to hit girls...or sucker punch people

- MTSU player arrested (Daily News Journal)Here are some of the

MTSU player arrested (Daily News Journal)
Here are some of the stories from your area that we re working on for the Saturday, Aug. 27 edition of the Daily News Journal. MTSU football player Antoine Owens, currently ineligible to play due to academic reasons, has been arrested for domestic assault of his girlfriend.

Really? You're going back 10 years and pulling up guys that got kicked off the team to try to prove your point. Nope you don't seem desperate to find that equivalcy at all. Like I said before nobody is without blemishes. The culture is different up there. You guys have put a felon on the court. Let coaches coach the day after a DUI. And have a guy starting this year that has been arrested three times in 24 months. If you want to pretend you guys handle things just like everybody else that's fine believe what you want. I know beed thinks a personal foul in a game is comparable to an arrest so clearly you guys can believe anything you want.

(08-20-2015 12:23 AM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Really? You're going back 10 years and pulling up guys that got kicked off the team to try to prove your point. Nope you don't seem desperate to find that equivalcy at all. Like I said before nobody is without blemishes. The culture is different up there. You guys have put a felon on the court. Let coaches coach the day after a DUI. And have a guy starting this year that has been arrested three times in 24 months. If you want to pretend you guys handle things just like everybody else that's fine believe what you want. I know beed thinks a personal foul in a game is comparable to an arrest so clearly you guys can believe anything you want.

Hey I can't help what pops up. All I did was type in thieves and pus...I mean girlfriend beaters and all of those popped right up

It was a muts fan that said

"At Middle Tennesee, they are almost always kicked off the team and often dismissed from school."

I've yet to see this. Well unless someone had it on video. Then a coach really has no choice but to act. Up till the day, actually hour, that the video showed all 3 players were "suspended". Since it was the off season that was easy to do.

Now let me get this straight

it's OK for, 1, 2, 3, 4 muts players (is there more? must be if they are "almost always") to steal other peoples property

it's OK for 1, 2, 3 muts players to beat up on girls and sucker punch a college student and break his jaw

But let one drink a few beers and get caught driving and the world is ending . Right?

If you're going to make up numbers why not say 17. Like I said if you want to keep pretending the culture is not different that's fine. Have fun with that and your google search. I now see the answer to my original question.

In addition to Jones being kicked off, the women's best basketball player was dismissed in season for testing positive for marijauna use.

Marcus Robinson and Rodney O'Neal were also dismissed from the football team for the associated activities with Jones.

In 2011, two baseball players Conlon Palo and Damian Seguen were arrested for rape and dismissed from the team. They were eventually exonerated and the charges were dropped.

In 2012, Preston Bailey was arrested on drug charges and dismissed.

In 2013, Jerrold Frazier was one of those five that got involved with the bar fight that ended in all five being arrested. Stupidity of getting drunk and in a fight is not a reason for dismissmal but resisting arrest and assaulting an officer during that incident got Frazier the boot. One of those was a former player and not much you could do there.

As previously indicated Travis Lilienthal was dismissed after his arrest for stealing teammates stuff.

So, there is your 10. Six of the 10 were dismissed. So, when I said most I'm pretty sure greater that 50% fits that at least where I went to school. Not sure if that fuzzy math works the same way up in Bowling Green. Three were given a second chance, because they were basically just being stupid drinking and getting involved in a bar fight and the 10th was no longer on the team.

Of the six that were arrested and dismissed I do not believe that any were allowed to remain at the school.

So, how many of the 10 were dismissed at Western? At the end of the day that's what we're talking about here.

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I always laugh a little when I see this type of data. Number of arrests do not necessarily equal convictions and/or guilt nor do number of arrests necessarily equal actual crimes committed. As we all know, there are some communities where enforcement of the law is more stringent and in other communities, the authorities are more lenient....i.e....they turn a blind eye to it.

For what it's worth, I wasn't surgar-coating anything. I stated a fact. I'm in no way stating that WKU's numbers are too small or too large. What I was trying to imply was that the big name schools' crime numbers are likely much larger than the "arrest" records show because I think we can all agree that leniency and $$$$ play into whether these young adult athletes get arrested or caught in criminal behavior. Leave it up to ThreeifbyLightning to once again turn this into a WKU/MTSU urinating contest.

(08-20-2015 12:28 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I always laugh a little when I see this type of data. Number of arrests do not necessarily equal convictions and/or guilt nor do number of arrests necessarily equal actual crimes committed. As we all know, there are some communities where enforcement of the law is more stringent and in other communities, the authorities are more lenient....i.e....they turn a blind eye to it.

For what it's worth, I wasn't surgar-coating anything. I stated a fact. I'm in no way stating that WKU's numbers are too small or too large. What I was trying to imply was that the big name schools' crime numbers are likely much larger than the "arrest" records show because I think we can all agree that leniency and $$$$ play into whether these young adult athletes get arrested or caught in criminal behavior. Leave it up to ThreeifbyLightning to once again turn this into a WKU/MTSU urinating contest.

Please say what you mean then. Because what you wrote is not that and I don't have time to read between the lines of what you said vs. what you really meant. What it actually read like is you didn't agree with statistics that makes Western look bad. Also, yours wasn't the only one, but you are one of the few level-headed guys over there so I'll concede the point.

That said, I'm not going to apologize for being disgusted with the Western adminstration's approach (or lack thereof) to discipline and character and the subsequent support of that by the university's fan base.

Not a pissing match. Just an observation. I wouldn't give a rats butt if you were in a different conference. And to be honest I don't really care now but I have to deal with all of your buds and the lack of objectivity so I will call it like I see it. If you don't like it hit the ignore button.

(08-20-2015 12:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:28 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I always laugh a little when I see this type of data. Number of arrests do not necessarily equal convictions and/or guilt nor do number of arrests necessarily equal actual crimes committed. As we all know, there are some communities where enforcement of the law is more stringent and in other communities, the authorities are more lenient....i.e....they turn a blind eye to it.

For what it's worth, I wasn't surgar-coating anything. I stated a fact. I'm in no way stating that WKU's numbers are too small or too large. What I was trying to imply was that the big name schools' crime numbers are likely much larger than the "arrest" records show because I think we can all agree that leniency and $$$$ play into whether these young adult athletes get arrested or caught in criminal behavior. Leave it up to ThreeifbyLightning to once again turn this into a WKU/MTSU urinating contest.

Please say what you mean then. Because what you wrote is not that and I don't have time to read between the lines of what you said vs. what you really meant. What it actually read like is you didn't agree with statistics that makes Western look bad. Also, yours wasn't the only one, but you are one of the few level-headed guys over there so I'll concede the point.

That said, I'm not going to apologize for being disgusted with the Western adminstration's approach (or lack thereof) to discipline and character and the subsequent support of that by the university's fan base.

Not a pissing match. Just an observation. I wouldn't give a rats butt if you were in a different conference. And to be honest I don't really care now but I have to deal with all of your buds and the lack of objectivity so I will call it like I see it. If you don't like it hit the ignore button.

The few WKU fans who post on here are way more objective then what I have read from a few other fan bases, not naming names..Most WKU fans on here seem pretty level headed IMO....Sure you have a few like every fan base has, but not as outrageous number wise from a few other fan bases that post here...TBL and MT Fan have to mention WKU in just about every post they write on here....To me that does=unhealthy obsession....Same cannot be said other way around...

This whole thread is a complete waste and joke....Season just needs to start so we can get away from this petty crap, no one has time or cares about any of this...

(08-20-2015 12:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:28 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I always laugh a little when I see this type of data. Number of arrests do not necessarily equal convictions and/or guilt nor do number of arrests necessarily equal actual crimes committed. As we all know, there are some communities where enforcement of the law is more stringent and in other communities, the authorities are more lenient....i.e....they turn a blind eye to it.

For what it's worth, I wasn't surgar-coating anything. I stated a fact. I'm in no way stating that WKU's numbers are too small or too large. What I was trying to imply was that the big name schools' crime numbers are likely much larger than the "arrest" records show because I think we can all agree that leniency and $$$$ play into whether these young adult athletes get arrested or caught in criminal behavior. Leave it up to ThreeifbyLightning to once again turn this into a WKU/MTSU urinating contest.

Please say what you mean then. Because what you wrote is not that and I don't have time to read between the lines of what you said vs. what you really meant. What it actually read like is you didn't agree with statistics that makes Western look bad. Also, yours wasn't the only one, but you are one of the few level-headed guys over there so I'll concede the point.

That said, I'm not going to apologize for being disgusted with the Western adminstration's approach (or lack thereof) to discipline and character and the subsequent support of that by the university's fan base.

Not a pissing match. Just an observation. I wouldn't give a rats butt if you were in a different conference. And to be honest I don't really care now but I have to deal with all of your buds and the lack of objectivity so I will call it like I see it. If you don't like it hit the ignore button.

I said exactly what I meant in the first post I made. Your apparent obsession with WKU caused you to "read into" my post. I did not mention WKU nor MTSU and for that matter Marshall or any other school. I stated an obvious fact that I think we all can agree with.... I know you have a history of working hard to portray WKU fans as hysterical, oblivious fans who think their feces doesn't stink, but I'd wager your efforts go fruitless among the many posters here because they see it for what it is.

I'm generally non-confrontational and treat MTSU fans with general respect because I'm mature enough to realize that any and possibly all things I post can come back to bite me in the rear at a later date. I'd much rather have robust, collegial discussions about athletics. I do love statistics, data, facts, etc., however, I try to avoid overanalyzing the data or making broad assumptions. I stick to the facts and yes, I do like charts and graphs but I leave it up to others to jump to conclusions. I save my confrontations for my real life.

I believe you love and admire your school and it's athletics programs and you should be proud of their accomplishments, as you voice on occasion. When others do the same for their schools, it's not necessarily an attack on your school.

I'm not surprised at MT's #'s.

From my time there, I believe Murfreesboro has a police officer to citizen ratio of about 2.2 to 1.

Apollo, how many of the 10 has Western dismissed? Simple question.

I wasn't going to say anything about western in this thread until the two of you made those comments. If I misread what you "meant" I would certainly like unbiased observers to weigh in what how they perceived it. If I was wrong I will own up to it.

(08-20-2015 07:32 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Apollo, how many of the 10 has Western dismissed? Simple question.

I wasn't going to say anything about western in this thread until the two of you made those comments. If I misread what you "meant" I would certainly like unbiased observers to weigh in what how they perceived it. If I was wrong I will own up to it.

You are so consumed with anything Western that you make up stuff in that little brain of yours. I honestly find it troubling that you spend more time talking about Western than your own school.

Below are the 2 post that got you so upset. You can say other wise but your post tell the real tell.

(08-19-2015 12:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  0.017 there's 113 on Westerns roster this year *5 = 565 football players

That's the % of Western's football players arrested over 5 years. I wonder how that compares to the overall college numbers?

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I always laugh a little when I see this type of data. Number of arrests do not necessarily equal convictions and/or guilt nor do number of arrests necessarily equal actual crimes committed. As we all know, there are some communities where enforcement of the law is more stringent and in other communities, the authorities are more lenient....i.e....they turn a blind eye to it.

Neither one was making any excuse about Western or anyone of the players arrested ....

it was two freaking comments on two different points of view showing how this whole thing is blown out of portion. And how some places view "crime"..crime as in PI and other minor things. Some places (mostly smaller) it's a big deal. Some place like Miami PI isn't going to get you arrested.

I was pointing out that I bet the average arrest rate of students is probably higher in all of college. Not just Western. Of course I based it off Western's numbers because...I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS

WKUAPOLLO can speak for himself as he has. But NO WHERE and I repeat NO WHERE in his post is the word Western. To me he was talking (as I was) in generic terms of ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL HOMETOWNS.

Now you never answered my question...

so you think stealing is OK? at least 4 muts players did this and 4 played after getting charged or convicted. The abuser who loves choking his girlfriend was on probation for stealing at the time he was choking her

So you think punching or choking someone is OK? at least 3 muts players did this

yet you are comparing it to a PI

Since you have a pc why don't you list these players and the charges and the dates ...as I did with muts players. Then your answer will be given.

Another Baylor entry...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...al-assault