(07-08-2015 02:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I don't think it's the correct way for Nichols to operate, but still, if he wants to leave, they should let him leave.
This "need to talk to him" narrative sounds real petty.
B.S. man. Him leaving that way is just wrong. Now, not releasing him, yea we can discuss the merits of that, because that is wrong as well.
Still, A.N. should talk to the coaches/teammates and tell his dad to step aside.
Exactly, it's not just an individual decision that affects no one.
(07-08-2015 02:44 PM)tigersroll Wrote: On a bright note, Nichols may have saved Tiger basketball!!!
I've talked to a couple of fans who have been around awhile --- both said they've never seen it this bad. And by "this" I'm talking about the trajectory of program.
(07-08-2015 02:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I don't think it's the correct way for Nichols to operate, but still, if he wants to leave, they should let him leave.
This "need to talk to him" narrative sounds real petty.
B.S. man. Him leaving that way is just wrong. Now, not releasing him, yea we can discuss the merits of that, because that is wrong as well.
Still, A.N. should talk to the coaches/teammates and tell his dad to step aside.
How is wrong? It may not be the way you or others would prefer him to leave, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Petrino was blasted nationally for not a face-to-face with the players and staff but just a 78-word letter saying he was leaving for razorbacks. I'm not blasting Austin but the proper thing would be to talk to at least someone in the administration that he was leaving instead of sending a email wanting a release.
I will say this...Let Austin go, Put Heavy Restrictions on it, Like NO UTK, Vandy, UK, Duke, UNC, KU. AAC, and then say see ya.....Do not allow him to join Skal up there....then tell Dedric and KJ they have to work harder than ever and you coach them up and Work with them non stop as well as MC and Burrell and you reley heavy on them and Hope they aren't busts.....If this doesn't lit a fire under Josh, and Finally gets him so pissed and out of his shell nothing will.....This should be Josh's Motivation and lit a fire in his belly, and it should translate into our team and show on the court, and our guys should then have a major chip on their shoulders.....You also work even harder with NIck Marshall and you have to really develop Dedric, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Now.....they have potential and we are gonna need them to come through big time.....The World Is Ours Memphis.....
(07-08-2015 02:44 PM)tigersroll Wrote: On a bright note, Nichols may have saved Tiger basketball!!!
I've talked to a couple of fans who have been around awhile --- both said they've never seen it this bad. And by "this" I'm talking about the trajectory of program.
Nichols= straw... we know the rest. sad that it happened, but the optimist in me looks at a brigther future for Tiger basketball. I have been lost inthe wasteland for 3 years now. time to find my way back home
I guess make take on it is bit different. I see the similarities closely resembling an employer/employee relationship and as such, if the relationship between the employer and employee has gone south (disgruntled). I've seen people walk out without an explanation and I'm ok with it as long as they don't come back and shoot up the place.
C'est la vie and sometimes that's just the way it goes and you have my best wishes.
(07-08-2015 02:55 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Nobody said that he doesn't have a right to leave. I'm sure that he will be granted that right to leave but to just send a email and don't talk to anyone is poor judgment. It's not about blaming him or taking sides
Sure, Austin certainly could have handled this better. But I guess the real issue, in my mind at least, is that he left ---- and he's the last (so far) of a long list of players who have left. Why is this happening? We all know how this looks from the outside and that can't help on any level. Recruiting, attendance, donations. Whatever is broken needs a repair - and quick.
(07-08-2015 03:19 PM)tigerscane Wrote: I will say this...Let Austin go, Put Heavy Restrictions on it, Like NO UTK, Vandy, UK, Duke, UNC, KU. AAC, and then say see ya.....Do not allow him to join Skal up there....then tell Dedric and KJ they have to work harder than ever and you coach them up and Work with them non stop as well as MC and Burrell and you reley heavy on them and Hope they aren't busts.....If this doesn't lit a fire under Josh, and Finally gets him so pissed and out of his shell nothing will.....This should be Josh's Motivation and lit a fire in his belly, and it should translate into our team and show on the court, and our guys should then have a major chip on their shoulders.....You also work even harder with NIck Marshall and you have to really develop Dedric, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Now.....they have potential and we are gonna need them to come through big time.....The World Is Ours Memphis.....
(07-08-2015 03:18 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Petrino was blasted nationally for not a face-to-face with the players and staff but just a 78-word letter saying he was leaving for razorbacks. I'm not blasting Austin but the proper thing would be to talk to at least someone in the administration that he was leaving instead of sending a email wanting a release.
1 Austin is not a coach
2 If Austin came out and told the truth about why he is leaving it would hurt Josh's future and the program much more than his remaining silent.
I don't have inside info on this except to say the real reason is that he felt playing for Josh was hurting his pro prospects. .
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(07-08-2015 03:21 PM)hartless Wrote: I guess make take on it is bit different. I see the similarities closely resembling an employer/employee relationship and as such, if the relationship between the employer and employee has gone south (disgruntled). I've seen people walk out without an explanation and I'm ok with it as long as they don't come back and shoot up the place.
C'est la vie and sometimes that's just the way it goes and you have my best wishes.
Well, people are kind of making it out to be something more similar to this. Yes, it will impact others.
So what?
He's a student-athlete. How many students transfer schools every semester? He's not an employee, and he surely doesn't owe them anything.
(07-08-2015 02:55 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Nobody said that he doesn't have a right to leave. I'm sure that he will be granted that right to leave but to just send a email and don't talk to anyone is poor judgment. It's not about blaming him or taking sides
Sure, Austin certainly could have handled this better. But I guess the real issue, in my mind at least, is that he left ---- and he's the last (so far) of a long list of players who have left. Why is this happening? We all know how this looks from the outside and that can't help on any level. Recruiting, attendance, donations. Whatever is broken needs a repair - and quick.
This doesn't help regardless and the point man in all of this is Josh, that I admit. However in this specific case, it's being well reported that Austin told coach just a few weeks ago that he was ready, committed and excited to get the season under way and then a week later ask for his release. I just ask if something happen that has nothing to do with Josh in this case. Most around here say it doesn't matter, it's just the case that another player wants to leave under Josh watch. But I want to be fair about it and not just up and blame the coach if this doesn't have to do with the coach, maybe it will be concrete that it's all the coach fault then so be it in the near future
(07-08-2015 03:19 PM)tigerscane Wrote: I will say this...Let Austin go, Put Heavy Restrictions on it, Like NO UTK, Vandy, UK, Duke, UNC, KU. AAC, and then say see ya.....Do not allow him to join Skal up there....then tell Dedric and KJ they have to work harder than ever and you coach them up and Work with them non stop as well as MC and Burrell and you reley heavy on them and Hope they aren't busts.....If this doesn't lit a fire under Josh, and Finally gets him so pissed and out of his shell nothing will.....This should be Josh's Motivation and lit a fire in his belly, and it should translate into our team and show on the court, and our guys should then have a major chip on their shoulders.....You also work even harder with NIck Marshall and you have to really develop Dedric, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Now.....they have potential and we are gonna need them to come through big time.....The World Is Ours Memphis.....
Sorry it will never light a fire and he can't coach them up. He has not yet>
(07-08-2015 02:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I don't think it's the correct way for Nichols to operate, but still, if he wants to leave, they should let him leave.
This "need to talk to him" narrative sounds real petty.
B.S. man. Him leaving that way is just wrong. Now, not releasing him, yea we can discuss the merits of that, because that is wrong as well.
Still, A.N. should talk to the coaches/teammates and tell his dad to step aside.
How is wrong? It may not be the way you or others would prefer him to leave, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Its not a grown up and professional way of doing things. That's for sure. Reportedly telling everyone you're all in, even signing that you are, being named captain, and then flipping a 180 a short while later....that is not professional or grown up at all. I'm fine with him wanting to leave but the way this has been handled has been piss poor.
(07-08-2015 03:21 PM)hartless Wrote: I guess make take on it is bit different. I see the similarities closely resembling an employer/employee relationship and as such, if the relationship between the employer and employee has gone south (disgruntled). I've seen people walk out without an explanation and I'm ok with it as long as they don't come back and shoot up the place.
I look at it the same way. Employer/employee type relationship. And I've walked off the job somewhere before so I'm not even against that. But by all indications he was all in within the past months and then no communication altogheter. Something doesn't add up.
(07-08-2015 02:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I don't think it's the correct way for Nichols to operate, but still, if he wants to leave, they should let him leave.
This "need to talk to him" narrative sounds real petty.
B.S. man. Him leaving that way is just wrong. Now, not releasing him, yea we can discuss the merits of that, because that is wrong as well.
Still, A.N. should talk to the coaches/teammates and tell his dad to step aside.
How is wrong? It may not be the way you or others would prefer him to leave, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Its not a grown up and professional way of doing things. That's for sure. Reportedly telling everyone you're all in, even signing that you are, being named captain, and then flipping a 180 a short while later....that is not professional or grown up at all. I'm fine with him wanting to leave but the way this has been handled has been piss poor.
^^^This
....and that doesn't make me an Pastner apologists
(07-08-2015 02:55 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Nobody said that he doesn't have a right to leave. I'm sure that he will be granted that right to leave but to just send a email and don't talk to anyone is poor judgment. It's not about blaming him or taking sides
Sure, Austin certainly could have handled this better. But I guess the real issue, in my mind at least, is that he left ---- and he's the last (so far) of a long list of players who have left. Why is this happening? We all know how this looks from the outside and that can't help on any level. Recruiting, attendance, donations. Whatever is broken needs a repair - and quick.
This doesn't help regardless and the point man in all of this is Josh, that I admit. However in this specific case, it's being well reported that Austin told coach just a few weeks ago that he was ready, committed and excited to get the season under way and then a week later ask for his release. I just ask if something happen that has nothing to do with Josh in this case. Most around here say it doesn't matter, it's just the case that another player wants to leave under Josh watch. But I want to be fair about it and not just up and blame the coach if this doesn't have to do with the coach, maybe it will be concrete that it's all the coach fault then so be it in the near future
No I wholeheartedly agree with you that Nichols did this all wrong. It's just, at this point, "how" he did it seems so unimportant. Maybe it would have struck me as important five or six transfers ago - but not now. It's almost like discussing someone's table manners while the ship is sinking. Better to figure out where the lifeboats are. But honestly --- I do think we're both on the same page here.
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(07-08-2015 03:21 PM)hartless Wrote: I guess make take on it is bit different. I see the similarities closely resembling an employer/employee relationship and as such, if the relationship between the employer and employee has gone south (disgruntled). I've seen people walk out without an explanation and I'm ok with it as long as they don't come back and shoot up the place.
C'est la vie and sometimes that's just the way it goes and you have my best wishes.
Well, people are kind of making it out to be something more similar to this. Yes, it will impact others.
So what?
He's a student-athlete. How many students transfer schools every semester? He's not an employee, and he surely doesn't owe them anything.
My point is he doesn't owe an explanation or anything.
The student-athlete is receiving tuition, room and board = money like an employee. Yes, I agree a bunch of students transfer. This is not about servitude and I have always felt their is a equal footing in the employer/employee relationship. Employer/U of M pays the employee/student-athlete to do a job/play ball. Employee/student-athlete has the right to refuse to do the work/play ball, employee/student-athlete either gets fired/kicked off team or he quits. The employee does not have explain himself and neither does the student-athlete.
PS: What does the employee owe the employer other than the job he is being paid to do?
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