(09-24-2017 09:19 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:37 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Another close loss. The independent schedule sure does give The Minutemen good exposure. Umass is close to turning the corner.

Exposure? Have they ever been on tv since going Indy? I'm rooting for them to make it but they don't show any of their games on tv. Say what you will about the Maction week day games but it's been kind of a cult like thing for us die hards to watch Maction games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights in October and November. It's actually become a tradition. UMASS could have and should have stayed in the MAC. Huge mistake IMHO.....

I see what u mean. I just observed that their near upset of Tennessee got a lot of sportsceenter coverage.

Got ya. I would watch umass games if they were on. They are a New England flagship that I once thought would make for a nice AAC East addition. I don't think that'll happen now, but I'm rooting for them to make it. I just don't see how that's going to be possible as an Indy and not playing on platforms that most of the public can watch. I don't get those stations or the SEC-N. It would be nice if their big home games could be on at least CBS-SN, if not a weekday game on ESPNU....

My mother told me there be days like this but not 6 years. The natives are restless, if not disgusted. Attendance has tanked and even paid season ticket holders are not showing up. Heads will probably roll at the end of the season.

A gullible poster is being feed miss information, the track team lost 4 scholarships because of football. The loss of scholarships is untrue and if it were, it could have easily been as a stop gap of the significant losses in basketball. Not to mention no sport has made money at UMass in the past few years.

My maroon glasses have not fallen off. The IPF in 2020 should help with recruiting. We have a chance in the second half of this season going 500 and 2018 should be a good year. then we'll see minor improvements to McGuirk.

Don't expect any movement in the AAC in the next few years and will be curious of the AAC and A10 new contracts. With the Big12, MAC and Big East contracts coming up in 2027, think 2025 will be the year that we commit to a conference. Until then we will carry on and right the ship.

2017
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Loss to Hawaii 35-38
Loss to Coastal 28-38
Loss to ODU 7-17
Loss to Temple 21-29
Loss to Tenn 13-17
Loss to Ohio 50-58

The end of Michael Traini piece.

Quote:Umass now heads into a very unique break in their schedule thanks to some rescheduling that was done to accommodate the USF Bulls and the American Athletic Conference in the wake of hurricane cancellations this year. Next week is their previously-scheduled bye week, but by virtue of moving their USF trip, they have an additional bye week on the 14th of October. That gives the Minutemen three weeks to prepare for homecoming and the Georgia Southern Eagles, a team that is also currently winless and in serious struggles like the Minutemen are.

The team has to use this break to heal and to focus on their next opponent, one of their few remaining chances to get a win this season. UMass hasn't won a homecoming game since defeating New Hampshire in 2009, yet another reason that October 21st's contest against Georgia Southern is important. If UMass has any hope of avoiding a winless 2017 campaign, it is likely their best chance to win will be on homecoming.

What this break also gives the UMass administration is significant time to evaluate where this program is going and what the problems are that are currently impeding its progress. UMass cannot afford to be 0-6 right now, but they are, and something is going to have to change in order to get this team headed in the right direction. We cannot speculate on or speak to specifics, but we do believe that the Minutemen admin have seen (and heard) a lot of things that cannot make them happy.

The extended break can be good for UMass, provided it is used the right way. Let's hope we see the results the next time the Minutemen take the field this season.

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(10-02-2017 04:57 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  My mother told me there be days like this but not 6 years. The natives are restless, if not disgusted. Attendance has tanked and even paid season ticket holders are not showing up. Heads will probably roll at the end of the season.

A gullible poster is being feed miss information, the track team lost 4 scholarships because of football. The loss of scholarships is untrue and if it were, it could have easily been as a stop gap of the significant losses in basketball. Not to mention no sport has made money at UMass in the past few years.

My maroon glasses have not fallen off. The IPF in 2020 should help with recruiting. We have a chance in the second half of this season going 500 and 2018 should be a good year. then we'll see minor improvements to McGuirk.

Don't expect any movement in the AAC in the next few years and will be curious of the AAC and A10 new contracts. With the Big12, MAC and Big East contracts coming up in 2027, think 2025 will be the year that we commit to a conference. Until then we will carry on and right the ship.

2017
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Loss to Hawaii 35-38
Loss to Coastal 28-38
Loss to ODU 7-17
Loss to Temple 21-29
Loss to Tenn 13-17
Loss to Ohio 50-58

The end of Michael Traini piece.

Quote:Umass now heads into a very unique break in their schedule thanks to some rescheduling that was done to accommodate the USF Bulls and the American Athletic Conference in the wake of hurricane cancellations this year. Next week is their previously-scheduled bye week, but by virtue of moving their USF trip, they have an additional bye week on the 14th of October. That gives the Minutemen three weeks to prepare for homecoming and the Georgia Southern Eagles, a team that is also currently winless and in serious struggles like the Minutemen are.

The team has to use this break to heal and to focus on their next opponent, one of their few remaining chances to get a win this season. UMass hasn't won a homecoming game since defeating New Hampshire in 2009, yet another reason that October 21st's contest against Georgia Southern is important. If UMass has any hope of avoiding a winless 2017 campaign, it is likely their best chance to win will be on homecoming.

What this break also gives the UMass administration is significant time to evaluate where this program is going and what the problems are that are currently impeding its progress. UMass cannot afford to be 0-6 right now, but they are, and something is going to have to change in order to get this team headed in the right direction. We cannot speculate on or speak to specifics, but we do believe that the Minutemen admin have seen (and heard) a lot of things that cannot make them happy.

The extended break can be good for UMass, provided it is used the right way. Let's hope we see the results the next time the Minutemen take the field this season.

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Where are you seeing that there will be an IPF built in 2020?


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(10-03-2017 04:02 PM)sloves90_611 Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 04:57 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  My mother told me there be days like this but not 6 years. The natives are restless, if not disgusted. Attendance has tanked and even paid season ticket holders are not showing up. Heads will probably roll at the end of the season.

A gullible poster is being feed miss information, the track team lost 4 scholarships because of football. The loss of scholarships is untrue and if it were, it could have easily been as a stop gap of the significant losses in basketball. Not to mention no sport has made money at UMass in the past few years.

My maroon glasses have not fallen off. The IPF in 2020 should help with recruiting. We have a chance in the second half of this season going 500 and 2018 should be a good year. then we'll see minor improvements to McGuirk.

Don't expect any movement in the AAC in the next few years and will be curious of the AAC and A10 new contracts. With the Big12, MAC and Big East contracts coming up in 2027, think 2025 will be the year that we commit to a conference. Until then we will carry on and right the ship.

2017
----------
Loss to Hawaii 35-38
Loss to Coastal 28-38
Loss to ODU 7-17
Loss to Temple 21-29
Loss to Tenn 13-17
Loss to Ohio 50-58

The end of Michael Traini piece.

Quote:Umass now heads into a very unique break in their schedule thanks to some rescheduling that was done to accommodate the USF Bulls and the American Athletic Conference in the wake of hurricane cancellations this year. Next week is their previously-scheduled bye week, but by virtue of moving their USF trip, they have an additional bye week on the 14th of October. That gives the Minutemen three weeks to prepare for homecoming and the Georgia Southern Eagles, a team that is also currently winless and in serious struggles like the Minutemen are.

The team has to use this break to heal and to focus on their next opponent, one of their few remaining chances to get a win this season. UMass hasn't won a homecoming game since defeating New Hampshire in 2009, yet another reason that October 21st's contest against Georgia Southern is important. If UMass has any hope of avoiding a winless 2017 campaign, it is likely their best chance to win will be on homecoming.

What this break also gives the UMass administration is significant time to evaluate where this program is going and what the problems are that are currently impeding its progress. UMass cannot afford to be 0-6 right now, but they are, and something is going to have to change in order to get this team headed in the right direction. We cannot speculate on or speak to specifics, but we do believe that the Minutemen admin have seen (and heard) a lot of things that cannot make them happy.

The extended break can be good for UMass, provided it is used the right way. Let's hope we see the results the next time the Minutemen take the field this season.

Full Article Link

Where are you seeing that there will be an IPF built in 2020?


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AD Ryan Bamford interview during the Temple game stated 2-3 years.

(06-05-2015 08:56 AM)No Bull Wrote:  UMass has some upside but won't make it long as an idependant. I am not sure what the plan is. I think not joining the MAC for all sports was a mistake...I am sure most anyone who likes UMass FBS football agrees with me.

Totally agree - UMASS should have built their FB program in the MAC as an all sports member and continued to upgrade their stadium while they were there. It will be tough to eventually jump to the AAC, its apparent future choice of conferences, in the next realignment phase without the stadium upgrades in place, and 2 and 10 seasons with no bowl opportunities annually, while playing away money games with P5 teams and loosing constantly with inferior talent on the field. Still pulling for UMASS future success though.

You should consider K.C. Keeler as your next HC. He's 3-1 at Sam Houston State and has won everyplace he's coached. He's the former Delaware HC and a northeast guy. So he's familiar with NJ, PA and MD.

UMass should just come back to the CAA, where they had success and built a decent program on talent and crowd support. You can't convince me that playing UNH, Maine, Villanova, UAlbany and URI is going to be a downer for UMass fans and students vs today, playing Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, ODU and Coastal Carolina at a much higher cost.

Unlike Idaho, I doubt they will. They are probably more inclined to just shut the entire program down, which is a shame.

(10-04-2017 11:07 AM)panite Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 08:56 AM)No Bull Wrote:  UMass has some upside but won't make it long as an idependant. I am not sure what the plan is. I think not joining the MAC for all sports was a mistake...I am sure most anyone who likes UMass FBS football agrees with me.

Totally agree - UMASS should have built their FB program in the MAC as an all sports member and continued to upgrade their stadium while they were there. It will be tough to eventually jump to the AAC, its apparent future choice of conferences, in the next realignment phase without the stadium upgrades in place, and 2 and 10 seasons with no bowl opportunities annually, while playing away money games with P5 teams and loosing constantly with inferior talent on the field. Still pulling for UMASS future success though.

^^^^^THIS^^^^

Gunna be alot harder to build a viable FBS program as a indy. Probably would have been the favorite to win the MAC NCAA auto-bid every year. If they dominated the league, full MAC membership probably would have actually helped basektball rather than impaired it.

(10-05-2017 05:46 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  UMass should just come back to the CAA, where they had success and built a decent program on talent and crowd support. You can't convince me that playing UNH, Maine, Villanova, UAlbany and URI is going to be a downer for UMass fans and students vs today, playing Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, ODU and Coastal Carolina at a much higher cost.

Unlike Idaho, I doubt they will. They are probably more inclined to just shut the entire program down, which is a shame.

not an expert on UMass athletics... but when I listen to there Athletic Director... he sure makes it seem like they will be in FBS at least until the next round or Conference shuffles... It looks like it is the American or bust... Somehow UMass has to put a winner on the field and butts in an improved McGuirk Alumni Stadium. That won't be easy. Pulling for UMass... it's just a shame that the MAC did not work out. It would have been so much easier if Minuteman Football had a conference affiliation.

(10-05-2017 06:22 PM)No Bull Wrote:  it's just a shame that the MAC did not work out. It would have been so much easier if Minuteman Football had a conference affiliation.

The MAC would've worked had they joined as a full member, but UMASS refused. We don't want an(other) 0-12, 1-11, or 2-10 team weighing down our FBS Conference just so UMASS can jump ship when/if they ever got good.

It's too bad that Temple caught a raft out of MAC football & the A-10. The MAC could have devised a plan to get Temple and UMass as full members by bringing in some basketball schools like Dayton and St Louis/VCU.

(10-05-2017 07:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It's too bad that Temple caught a raft out of MAC football & the A-10. The MAC could have devised a plan to get Temple and UMass as full members by bringing in some basketball schools like Dayton and St Louis/VCU.

I have a hard time seeing the MAC add Dayton, because the MAC is already oversatursted in Ohio as it is. If Duquesne were interested that could work, simply because it helps with Temple having an in-state rival. Of course once the Big East could wave a BCS AQ under Temple's nose, there's no way they were staying. At this point the next best basketball-first option is just to straight up raid the Atlantic 10:

Quad 1 - Saint Louis (no football), NIU, Ball State, WMU
Quad 2 - CMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green
Quad 3 - Miami, Ohio, Kent, Akron
Quad 4 - Buffalo, UMass, VCU, George Mason (no football)

VCU would be the sacrificial lamb for #14 in football. If VCU or George Mason can't add football, it would probably be time to look at Fordham (A-10) or Stony Brook (America East).

Think the Big East will have a TV contract dollar cut for the 2024-25. At that point, it could make since for the BE to expand from 10 teams and TV will sure to let them know. That said, think there is a better chance the BE will raid the A10 then the MAC.

The Big12 contract is also up in 2024-25 and the MAC in 2027.

Can UMass be in a better place in 8 years? It's hard to believe we could be in a worst situation. We can schedule, so it's up to recruiting and coaching. The IPF will help recruiting and the next HC decision will be critical. Three to 8 years is a long time for us to get our stuff together.

Thanks Orangefan.

old link http://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/dollar...sion-deals

(10-05-2017 09:26 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think the Big East will have a TV contract dollar cut for the 2027. At that point, it could make since for the BE to expand from 10 teams and TV will sure to let them know. That said, think there is a better chance the BE will raid the A10 then the MAC.

The MAC contract is also up in 2027 along with the Big12.

Can UMass be in a better place in 8 years? It's hard to believe we could be in a worst situation. We can schedule, so it's up to recruiting and coaching. The IPF will help recruiting and the next HC decision will be critical. Three to 8 years is a long time for us to get our stuff together.

Do you know how much different the landscape will be by 2027? If the BE waits until then, they might not even be a viable conference anymore. D-Day is coming for all the money-grubbing P conferences and it will happen way before 2027.

Greed is good, greed works, it clarifies...... until the bubble bursts. When that ultimately happens, Greed [unfortunately] will be the reason.

(10-06-2017 07:52 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Do you know how much different the landscape will be by 2027? If the BE waits until then, they might not even be a viable conference anymore. D-Day is coming for all the money-grubbing P conferences and it will happen way before 2027.

Greed is good, greed works, it clarifies...... until the bubble bursts. When that ultimately happens, Greed [unfortunately] will be the reason.

You're not fully understanding the point of college athletics, from the POV of the administration. The reason the Big EAst went to the Catholic-private-school model, when the big-time-hybrid failed, was to plan for the 50-year and 100-year range. The Big East Conference is now a "Catholic Ivy" club, and will still be a "Catholic Ivy" club that gives St. John's, for example, a scoreboard-item over local competitors Iona, Fordham etc.

That's designed to be something that still matters even if Big East athletics or college basketball as a whole has a serious decline in popularity. Much like the actual Ivies de-emphasized athletics, the Big East schools are laying the groundwork to do the same if we have to.

(10-06-2017 07:52 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 09:26 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think the Big East will have a TV contract dollar cut for the 2027. At that point, it could make since for the BE to expand from 10 teams and TV will sure to let them know. That said, think there is a better chance the BE will raid the A10 then the MAC.

The MAC contract is also up in 2027 along with the Big12.

Can UMass be in a better place in 8 years? It's hard to believe we could be in a worst situation. We can schedule, so it's up to recruiting and coaching. The IPF will help recruiting and the next HC decision will be critical. Three to 8 years is a long time for us to get our stuff together.

Do you know how much different the landscape will be by 2027? If the BE waits until then, they might not even be a viable conference anymore. D-Day is coming for all the money-grubbing P conferences and it will happen way before 2027.

Greed is good, greed works, it clarifies...... until the bubble bursts. When that ultimately happens, Greed [unfortunately] will be the reason.

A few thoughts.

First, the current Fox-Big East deal ends after the 2024-25 season. So they'll be in a new contract or contract extension for the 2025-26 season.

Second, the Big East clearly benefited from good timing on its current deal. Fox was launching FS1 and had no significant winter sports rights. While the old Big East was burdened with a right of first refusal by ESPN, the C7 schools had negotiated a pre-nup with the football schools back in 2004 that gave them the opportunity to walk on fair terms. That opened the door for them to negotiate with Fox at a time when Fox was pretty much desperate to find some quality programming to fill their winter schedule, a truly unique opportunity. As a result, they probably got more than they might have in a more typical bidding environment. As a wild guess, I would estimate that they got something like a 30% markup ($10 million+/- extra per year) due to Fox's predicament.

Finally, despite all the "chicken little" talk about the sports rights bubble, just over a year ago, the NCAA negotiated an 8 year extension of the TV deal for the NCAA Tournament. The existing contract (14 year, $10.8 billion, $770 million/year) was scheduled to expire in 2024. 8 years were added for an additional $8.8 billion ($1.1 billion/year). This tells me that, despite ongoing changes in the TV ecosystem, distributors expect sports rights to maintain a high value in the future and that the opportunity to monetize that value will continue to be available.

(10-06-2017 09:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Finally, despite all the "chicken little" talk about the sports rights bubble, just over a year ago, the NCAA negotiated an 8 year extension of the TV deal for the NCAA Tournament. The existing contract (14 year, $10.8 billion, $770 million/year) was scheduled to expire in 2024. 8 years were added for an additional $8.8 billion ($1.1 billion/year). This tells me that, despite ongoing changes in the TV ecosystem, distributors expect sports rights to maintain a high value in the future and that the opportunity to monetize that value will continue to be available.

You may be right but "The Tournament" is an event.

A grinding regular season with more niche' ways to watch that are not high cost networks like Fox ESPN etc... are going to really hurt the regular season conference payout packages. Same for football. Some of the non-P5 conferences may get a small raise like the AAC, but IMO the P5 will not have another contract as large (in per team payouts) as they have now.

Unless ESPN figures out how to stop cord cutting and can avoid the a-la-cart option that cable is starting to push for, there is no way they will be able to afford the ridiculous contracts they are paying now.

(10-05-2017 09:26 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think the Big East will have a TV contract dollar cut for the 2024-25. At that point, it could make since for the BE to expand from 10 teams and TV will sure to let them know. That said, think there is a better chance the BE will raid the A10 then the MAC.

The Big12 contract is also up in 2024-25 and the MAC in 2027.

Can UMass be in a better place in 8 years? It's hard to believe we could be in a worst situation. We can schedule, so it's up to recruiting and coaching. The IPF will help recruiting and the next HC decision will be critical. Three to 8 years is a long time for us to get our stuff together.

Thanks Orangefan.

old link http://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/dollar...sion-deals

Some C-USA East fans have floated a 12 team conference with UMass in it. That would be a win win ish sitch

(10-06-2017 11:38 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 09:26 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think the Big East will have a TV contract dollar cut for the 2024-25. At that point, it could make since for the BE to expand from 10 teams and TV will sure to let them know. That said, think there is a better chance the BE will raid the A10 then the MAC.

The Big12 contract is also up in 2024-25 and the MAC in 2027.

Can UMass be in a better place in 8 years? It's hard to believe we could be in a worst situation. We can schedule, so it's up to recruiting and coaching. The IPF will help recruiting and the next HC decision will be critical. Three to 8 years is a long time for us to get our stuff together.

Thanks Orangefan.

old link http://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/dollar...sion-deals

Some C-USA East fans have floated a 12 team conference with UMass in it. That would be a win win ish sitch

We like the east coast but don't think much of your commissioner. Think Steinbrecher is excellent and wish more fans liked the MAC as it's a much better BB conference then CUSA. We'll stick with the A10 and leave football hanging. If football can get it together in gain more fan support, we'll stay Indy for a long time. Our AD did make a comment that the Sunbelt and CUSA are to spread out and southern, without conference and TV dollars to justify looking at them for all sports.

You guys are at an interesting spot and perhaps a conference split in 3 years would change thing . Guessing that is what you are talking about. Forget the rules if it's 6 teams together for 5 or more years. Don't recall.

The MAC does not have that issue of possible split, even if they felt a need to expand in 8 years. Mostly because the MAC East is stronger in BB and weaker in football. They are happy together and it all works.

It's hard for me to calculate odds of ever getting into the AAC. Right now say 10% and the future has to much unproven to take a stab at it. Know most UMass fans think it's 50% if we can get some improvement in both BB and Football and start addressing McGuirk. Believe the IPF will happen and there are some long range plans that will work with future development of a chunk of UMass owned land.

The lousy records in football need to change above everything else. If we loss to Georgia Southern and/or Maine, think fans will go from angry to down right ugly and nasty. We play Georgia Southern on Oct 21. With a two week bye to reboot, we are healing and recruiting all over.

(10-07-2017 08:58 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  You guys are at an interesting spot and perhaps a conference split in 3 years would change thing . Guessing that is what you are talking about. Forget the rules if it's 6 teams together for 5 or more years. Don't recall.

No, those rules are dead and buried. The new rules say a new conference waits I think 8 years for an autobid. (New Big East got a waiver. The facts that we qualified under the old rules and that the pre-nup was based on the expectations of the old rules, and the fact that our autobid doesn't reduce the supply of at-large bids because we're not a one-bid league were big factors, I'm sure.)

Quote:It's hard for me to calculate odds of ever getting into the AAC. Right now say 10% and the future has to much unproven to take a stab at it.

That's probably about right. Maybe high, because you need a lot of stars to align.
1. P5 movement means the AAC loses teams.
2. AAC needs to backfill (they can't just stay at 10)
3. AAC still has UConn (otherwise you and Temple are on an island)
4. Then, maybe you get the nod over Charlotte or ODU or UTSA or MIddle Tennessee or.......