And you all still think NIU academics can't cut it in the AAC...

(06-01-2015 12:06 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And you all still think NIU academics can't cut it in the AAC...

tcu is ranked 5th worst apr, but is still one of the best academic programs in the country

apr and academic rankings are different things

(06-01-2015 12:24 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 12:06 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And you all still think NIU academics can't cut it in the AAC...

tcu is ranked 5th worst apr, but is still one of the best academic programs in the country

apr and academic rankings are different things

Ding!

Yes, APR is a good view as to those with some solid foundation in regards to their student-athletes academic progress...but APR scores don't necessarily reflect one's overall Univ academic substance.

NIU is a fine school, just like others in the AAC...as if anyone was "bashing" NIU academics, they would be foolish to do.

NOTE: Always wondered if NIU was located in Chicago instead of DeKalb, IL (approx 70 miles from Downtown Chicago), what would that school look like today and/or what conf the school would be in.

APR is a complete joke.

Once UConn's faculty rep who used to administer the athletic-academic program stepped down, and they hired a professional staffer, their APR shot up from 920 avg. to 1000.

Hilarious stuff. He couldn't abide by the new way of doing things. So UConn got with the program and did it the way othe schools do.

When you talk about APR, emphasize the PR. Otherwise, you're lying.

If you really want to see how bad it is, compare GSRs (Grad Success Rate) to FGRs (Federal Grad Rates).

The federal numbers are the true numbers.

There are schools in our conference that have reported that 88% graduated (GSR). When I looked at the FGR for this school, the actual rate was 0%.

Gotta hand it to the NCAA. It was nearly impossible for most athletes, who are practically forbidden from attending class in season, to achieve satisfactory academic performance. So they made up these bogus stats and the media fell for it.

Hooray for John Calipari's Kentucky kids and their 1000 score on the APR!!!

(06-01-2015 12:24 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 12:06 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And you all still think NIU academics can't cut it in the AAC...

tcu is ranked 5th worst apr, but is still one of the best academic programs in the country

apr and academic rankings are different things

I would say that's true to a point. However, of the Top 20 schools, I'd say more than half are really good academic schools with only Tulane from the AAC being able to match them. Those schools are Wisconsin, Duke, Northwestern, Michigan, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Army, Boston College, Air Force Georgia Tech, Notre Dame and Washington.

Boise State is the real head scratcher. I lived in Western MT for 3 years and even those folks would make fun of the school. U of Montana and Montana State are far superior....

I just don't really think these have value in many situations. I mean UNC remained eligible despite half their athletes reading at a third grade level. Sure some schools probably play by (or at least close) to the rules, but they are all playing games. Not to mention, it's not just that you graduated but what you graduated with.....

(06-01-2015 12:06 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  And you all still think NIU academics can't cut it in the AAC...

I have no real issue with NIU. However, their name still doesn't carry much equity despite being a top-shelf P5 program for the last 15 or so years. For whatever reason the school has not really forged a stronger identity. Attendance is still marginal at best.

Personally, a conference road game in the Chicagoland area would intrigue me.

I could see NIU and Cincy having some real nasty games. Lots of black and red.....

(05-30-2015 06:44 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Believe this is the 2nd or 3rd year UCF Football finished in the Top 10 Public Univ Football Programs (18th overall).

APR 2009-2010 to 2013-2014

The Academic Progress Reports (APR), taking a look at classes from 2009-10 to 2013-14 have been released. Every Division I sports team calculates its APR each academic year based on the eligibility, retention and graduation of each scholarship student-athlete. Programs that score below 930 on their four-year rate, or 940 over the last two years, can be penalized in a variety of ways from practice restrictions to financial aid losses to coaching penalties to loss of postseason eligibility.

APR rankings of FBS Football Schools for the last year

1. Wisconsin - 998
2. Duke - 992
2. Northwestern - 992
4. Michigan - 990
5. Stanford - 987
6. Nebraska - 985
6. Utah State - 985
8. Clemson - 984
9. Vanderbilt - 983
10. Army - 981
10. Boise State - 981

12. Boston College - 980
12. Rutgers - 980
12. Air Force - 980
15. Alabama - 978
15. Georgia Tech - 978
15. Notre Dame - 978
18. UCF - 977
18. Indiana - 977
18. Louisville - 977
18. Virginia Tech - 977
18. Washington - 977

23. Kansas State - 976
23. Missouri - 976
25. Minnesota - 975
25. San Jose State - 975
25. UCLA - 975
25. South Carolina - 975
29. Navy - 974
29. Texas A&M - 974

31. Illinois - 973
31. Maryland - 973
31. Michigan State - 973
31. Middle Tennessee State - 973
31. Ohio State - 973
31. Rice - 973
31. Utah - 973
38. Tulane - 972
39. Florida - 971
39. Mississippi State - 971

41. North Texas - 970
41. Northern Illinois - 970
41. South Florida - 970
41. Toledo - 970
45. Louisiana-Monroe - 969
45. Temple - 969
47. Auburn - 968
47. Syracuse - 968
49. Miami (FL) - 967
49. Oregon - 967
49. Virginia - 967

52. Hawaii - 966
52. Iowa - 966
52. Miami (OH) - 966
55. Purdue - 964
55. San Diego State - 964
57. Oklahoma - 963
57. Pittsburgh - 963
59. Cincinnati - 962
59. Wake Forest - 962

61. Arizona - 961
61. Bowling Green - 961
61. Georgia - 961
61. Texas-San Antonio - 961
65. Appalachian State - 960
65. Baylor - 960
65. Connecticut - 960
65. North Carolina State - 960
65. Wyoming - 960
70. Marshall - 959

71. Ball State - 958
71. Texas - 958
71. Texas State - 958
74. Colorado - 957
75. Penn State - 956
76. Florida State - 955
76. Ohio - 955
76. Western Michigan - 955
79. Texas-El Paso - 954
80. Louisiana-Lafayette - 953

81. Brigham Young - 952
82. Arkansas State - 951
82. Iowa State - 951
82. Memphis - 951
82. Old Dominion - 951
82. Washington State - 951
87. ECU - 950
88. Arizona State - 949
88. Central Michigan - 949
88. Fresno State - 949
88. Southern Mississippi - 949

92. Buffalo - 948
92. USC - 948
94. Akron - 947
94. LSU - 947
94. Mississippi - 947
94. Southern Methodist - 947
94. Western Kentucky - 947
99. Oregon State - 946
100. Kansas - 945
100. Kent State - 945
100. Kentucky - 945
100. New Mexico - 945
100. Tennessee - 945

105. Colorado State - 944
106. Alabama-Birmingham - 943
106. Charlotte - 943
106. Florida Atlantic - 943
106. Nevada - 943
106. Georgia Southern - 943
106. South Alabama - 943

112. Eastern Michigan - 942
112. West Virginia - 942
114. California - 941
114. Houston - 941
114. Louisiana Tech - 941
114. Tulsa - 941
118. Georgia State - 940
119. Arkansas - 938
120. Massachusetts - 937
120. North Carolina - 937
120. Troy - 937
120. UNLV - 937

124. Texas Christian - 936
124. Texas Tech - 936
126. Oklahoma State - 934
127. Florida International - 933
128. New Mexico State - 931
129. Idaho - 896

this really means nothing if Boise st is top 10 and TCU is bottom 5. Sorry...

(06-01-2015 03:54 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  this really means nothing if Boise st is top 10 and TCU is bottom 5. Sorry...

It means exactly what it states.

Also, if TCU remains in the bottom, they are flirting very closely with the 930 average where TCU could lose scholarships and even post-season bans if they fall below that figure for a certain amount of time (i.e. like UCONN Hoops had to do).

Also, for Boise State, who's academic reputation gets knocked by some because the school started out as a Jr College...any time they can succeed academically in today's market, no doubt helps them on the recruiting trail.

(05-30-2015 06:44 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Believe this is the 2nd or 3rd year UCF Football finished in the Top 10 Public Univ Football Programs (18th overall).

UCF is 12th among public schools on that list.

(05-30-2015 10:19 PM)leapinggazelle Wrote:  Look at that, Marshall ahead of ECU. Ecu fans that make fun of Marshalls academics and the type of players they recruit have lots of egg on their face.

Look at how high Boise St ranks. If you think this APR translates into anything resembling pursuit of Academic excellence by Football Players then you have to also believe in the myth that was the "Carolina Way" and that African American Studies was a legitimate degree program and those 3.5 to 4.0 GPA's at Chapel Hill were legit.

I am shocked SEC schools are not all at the top of this list since they practically invented under water basket weaving curriculums. There are some legitimate Academic schools in that list that actually care about the student athlete and there is some flat out comedy gold in the Top 30 that are known for taking kids under the exception umbrella of learning disabled etc.. yet are still highly ranked.

(06-02-2015 02:40 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:19 PM)leapinggazelle Wrote:  Look at that, Marshall ahead of ECU. Ecu fans that make fun of Marshalls academics and the type of players they recruit have lots of egg on their face.

Look at how high Boise St ranks. If you think this APR translates into anything resembling pursuit of Academic excellence by Football Players then you have to also believe in the myth that was the "Carolina Way" and that African American Studies was a legitimate degree program and those 3.5 to 4.0 GPA's at Chapel Hill were legit.

I am shocked SEC schools are not all at the top of this list since they practically invented under water basket weaving curriculums. There are some legitimate Academic schools in that list that actually care about the student athlete and there is some flat out comedy gold in the Top 30 that are known for taking kids under the exception umbrella of learning disabled etc.. yet are still highly ranked.

APR helps push players to GSR (Graduation Success Rate) and does not necessarily mean Academic Excellence (3.5 GPA - 4.0).

While UNC (Syracuse and FSU too) being busted does show that a few schools out there that are cheating (i.e. either no-show/fake classes or fixing grades, etc...), but that doesn't mean all the other 126 Div I-A teams are doing the same.

Most fans realize that a majority of football players are not majoring in Aerospace Engineering...but the same goes for the entire student body too.

Some/many football players take advantage of earning a college degree which helps them have satisfactory lives with good jobs for decades to come...while some won't.

Once you realize what college is for...and how some student-athletes (and regular students) will be successful while others fail...not worth losing sleep over....and for those Univ with strong academic success for their student-athletes that are doing it the legit way (APR and GSR), props to them...as some are much more successful than others (and/or recruit sign better academic student-athletes than others).

(06-02-2015 02:25 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 06:44 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Believe this is the 2nd or 3rd year UCF Football finished in the Top 10 Public Univ Football Programs (18th overall).

UCF is 12th among public schools on that list.

Believe you are incorrect. (Private Institutions in bold)

1. Wisconsin - 998
2. Duke - 992
2. Northwestern - 992
4. Michigan - 990
5. Stanford - 987
6. Nebraska - 985
6. Utah State - 985
8. Clemson - 984
9. Vanderbilt - 983
10. Army - 981
10. Boise State - 981

12. Boston College - 980
12. Rutgers - 980
12. Air Force - 980
15. Alabama - 978
15. Georgia Tech - 978
15. Notre Dame - 978
18. UCF - 977

NOTE: For admission standards, University Rankings consider Air Force Academy, Naval Academy and West Point "private institutions" compared to Public Univ since all students at those institutions are appointed.

(06-03-2015 06:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 02:40 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:19 PM)leapinggazelle Wrote:  Look at that, Marshall ahead of ECU. Ecu fans that make fun of Marshalls academics and the type of players they recruit have lots of egg on their face.

Look at how high Boise St ranks. If you think this APR translates into anything resembling pursuit of Academic excellence by Football Players then you have to also believe in the myth that was the "Carolina Way" and that African American Studies was a legitimate degree program and those 3.5 to 4.0 GPA's at Chapel Hill were legit.

I am shocked SEC schools are not all at the top of this list since they practically invented under water basket weaving curriculums. There are some legitimate Academic schools in that list that actually care about the student athlete and there is some flat out comedy gold in the Top 30 that are known for taking kids under the exception umbrella of learning disabled etc.. yet are still highly ranked.

APR helps push players to GSR (Graduation Success Rate) and does not necessarily mean Academic Excellence (3.5 GPA - 4.0).

While UNC (Syracuse and FSU too) being busted does show that a few schools out there that are cheating (i.e. either no-show/fake classes or fixing grades, etc...), but that doesn't mean all the other 126 Div I-A teams are doing the same.

Most fans realize that a majority of football players are not majoring in Aerospace Engineering...but the same goes for the entire student body too.

Some/many football players take advantage of earning a college degree which helps them have satisfactory lives with good jobs for decades to come...while some won't.

Once you realize what college is for...and how some student-athletes (and regular students) will be successful while others fail...not worth losing sleep over....and for those Univ with strong academic success for their student-athletes that are doing it the legit way (APR and GSR), props to them...as some are much more successful than others (and/or recruit sign better academic student-athletes than others).

One of the schools in our conference reports a GSR of 88% for basketball.

Actual graduation rate? 0%

APR, with its emphasis on bogus classes and finishing out the semester, a total lack of emphasis on proceeding through a major, is actually a stat that prevents graduation.

Why? Because you keep APR high by maintaining eligibility. Since it doesn't correlate at all with actual graduation, the incentive is then t merely keep athletes eligible rather than have them earn a degree.

Jay Bilas has pointed this out many times.

APR is anti-academic, a good sign that a school is not taking education seriously.

Harvard, for instance, had a low APR for 4 years in a row. My favorite anecdote is about Cal Tech's basketball team--banned from post-season play because of APR deficiencies.

NOTE: For admission standards, University Rankings consider Air Force Academy, Naval Academy and West Point "private institutions" compared to Public Univ since all students at those institutions are appointed.


What?

Even if that made any sense at all, this list isn't about admissions.

Here are a few lists that correctly categorize the service academies as public.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...top-public

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/04/08/t...n-the-u-s/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zheyanni/201...eges-2014/