(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I do like the implication that hard work has nothing to do with it.

Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

There are also a lot of people who think they work hard who really don't.

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I do like the implication that hard work has nothing to do with it.

Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Envy is such a stinky cologne.

(05-14-2015 11:51 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:46 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I'm not suggesting that he read either one

I am.

Ah, there was a difference in what I intended and what you saw. I meant "had read", as in I meant that I did not think that he subconsciously plagiarized Ayn Rand. I agree that it would be good if he were to read them, but I think it's a bit late for that kind of personal development now.

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I do like the implication that hard work has nothing to do with it.

Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

Go research it and let me know what you find.

(05-14-2015 12:25 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I do like the implication that hard work has nothing to do with it.

Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

Go research it and let me know what you find.

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

(05-14-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:25 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

Go research it and let me know what you find.

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Hard work is no guarantee of anything.

The guy who works harder and smarter wins.

(05-14-2015 12:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:46 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This must certainly be a line straight from The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. And, I'm not suggesting that he read either one, just that he fits the caricatures in those books so perfectly.

Is that the one about the candles or something?

The guy makes a light in a cave or something and has to keep it hidden?

I assume you were asking about The Fountainhead.


The Fountainhead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountai...ain_themes Wrote:Rand indicated that the primary theme of The Fountainhead was "individualism versus collectivism, not in politics but within a man's soul."
...
Rand dedicated The Fountainhead to her husband, Frank O'Connor, and to architecture. She chose architecture for the analogy it offered to her ideas, especially in the context of the ascent of modern architecture. It provided an appropriate vehicle to concretize her beliefs that the individual is of supreme value, the "fountainhead" of creativity, and that selfishness, properly understood as ethical egoism, is a virtue.
...

The character of Roark was at least partly inspired by American architect Frank Lloyd Wright

(05-14-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:25 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

Go research it and let me know what you find.

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Not interested in speculating, would rather have some hard data.

(05-14-2015 12:32 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:46 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This must certainly be a line straight from The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. And, I'm not suggesting that he read either one, just that he fits the caricatures in those books so perfectly.

Is that the one about the candles or something?

The guy makes a light in a cave or something and has to keep it hidden?

I assume you were asking about The Fountainhead.


The Fountainhead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountai...ain_themes Wrote:Rand indicated that the primary theme of The Fountainhead was "individualism versus collectivism, not in politics but within a man's soul."
...
Rand dedicated The Fountainhead to her husband, Frank O'Connor, and to architecture. She chose architecture for the analogy it offered to her ideas, especially in the context of the ascent of modern architecture. It provided an appropriate vehicle to concretize her beliefs that the individual is of supreme value, the "fountainhead" of creativity, and that selfishness, properly understood as ethical egoism, is a virtue.
...

The character of Roark was at least partly inspired by American architect Frank Lloyd Wright

That's not the one I was thinking about.

She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

That was always my favorite of her books.

(05-14-2015 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Hard work is no guarantee of anything.

The guy who works harder and smarter wins.

Hard work itself is no guarantee of productivity, either. It takes innovation, production, and value in addition to dedication and hard work in order to really become rich. Someone who is actually rich could probably add more insight here, though...

(05-14-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:25 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

Go research it and let me know what you find.

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Because it takes much more than hard work. You have to truly want to make a lot of money. You need to be smarter than everyone else. You need to have ideas.

No, not everyone is equal. Some people are smarter than others. When you realize this, you'll begin to understand the concept of achievement.

(05-14-2015 12:34 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

Hard work is no guarantee of anything.

The guy who works harder and smarter wins.

Hard work itself is no guarantee of productivity, either. It takes innovation, production, and value in addition to dedication and hard work in order to really become rich. Someone who is actually rich could probably add more insight here, though...

Clearly there are no guarantees that hard work will make you rich, just as there are very guarantees of much of anything.

But one thing I WILL guarantee- sitting around waiting for "your" government check that has been taken from someone else that IS working hard, that is a 100% guarantee that will never make you rich.

What a pathetic existence that must be.

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(05-14-2015 12:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's it!

Thanks. I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that one.

(05-14-2015 12:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's it!

Thanks. I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that one.

I've never subscribed to the selfishness of Objectivism.

(05-14-2015 12:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's it!

Thanks. I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that one.

I've never subscribed to the selfishness of Objectivism.

That statement means you have an inherent misunderstanding of the concept.

(05-14-2015 12:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's it!

Thanks. I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that one.

I've never subscribed to the selfishness of Objectivism.

I really do not care.

(05-14-2015 12:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  She wrote a different book about the crushing weight of government driving a man underground because he came up with something.

Anthem (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anthem should be a mandatory read before graduating High School. It's short, easy to read (at least in comparison to her other works), and the concepts of collectivism and individuality need to be better understood by young people as they start college and plot the rest of their lives.

(05-14-2015 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:20 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I do like the implication that hard work has nothing to do with it.

Hard work doesn't make you rich. There are plenty of lazy people who get rich by shear luck and there are plenty of hard working people that never become rich.

There are plenty of people who get rich by working hard.

I'm sure there is.

How many people in this country however are rich because they were born rich and how many are rich because they worked hard?

I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority of hard workers never get rich.

I'd imagine one led to the the other. At some point, it just become petty to complain about it.