(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

unlikely considering UCF is lowering capacity by a few thousand bc of the beach bar.

There are some big programs that probably regret expanding their stadiums capacity in this HD age. I like TCU's model, stay in the 40K range and continue to improve amenities when the money is there

(05-07-2015 03:12 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

unlikely considering UCF is lowering capacity by a few thousand bc of the beach bar.

There are some big programs that probably regret expanding their stadiums capacity in this HD age. I like TCU's model, stay in the 40K range and continue to improve amenities when the money is there

Yep. Improve amenities. I'll pay for that.

(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

What's the exact seating capacity at BHNS? I need to make sure Fowler Ave understand that we need to be at least 1 seat over that capacity.

If we make a bowl game, I think the debacle of the past few years will soon be forgot. Make one this year and I bet this stadium talk ramps up FAST. Sleeping giant, we CAN draw 50-60K easily, it's been proven. Folks just stay away when the team is awful, not uncommon.

I'm cautiously optimistic there is a possibility that perhaps there is some liklihood that I *may* be getting excited about this come Fall...

First there is no need for anything over the 35k-45k range. There is a nationwide downturn in attendance and given the AAC schedule there will not be much of an increase for USF even with a turnaround. Second, you will need commitment for a whole lot more than 30 million if you want to build $140 million dollar stadium. There is no way USF can cover the debt service on $100 million with naming rights, ticket and concession money and their student fees are already pretty high. They will either have to downscale or raise a crapload of money because they will also have to add in the cost of purchasing the land.

(05-07-2015 03:49 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  First there is no need for anything over the 35k-45k range. There is a nationwide downturn in attendance and given the AAC schedule there will not be much of an increase for USF even with a turnaround. Second, you will need commitment for a whole lot more than 30 million if you want to build $140 million dollar stadium. There is no way USF can cover the debt service on $100 million with naming rights, ticket and concession money and their student fees are already pretty high. They will either have to downscale or raise a crapload of money because they will also have to add in the cost of purchasing the land.

There are many ways in which the land can be transferred over to the University. The bottom line is if that is what the Board approves then that is what will be. From there, they will decide on how the land is transferred and as to the cost involved.

Just so you understand, the land could be leased to the University for an indefinite period of time. I'm not saying or even suggesting that is what will happen rather, it's just an option.

(05-07-2015 01:46 PM)Jimmy Wrote:  What's buried in that story is USF is going to have a Publix on campus.

Now THAT is cool.

In FLA...you don't buy a home unless its within 2 miles of a good Publix.

College kids could easily live off Publix BOGO items.

(05-07-2015 03:57 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:49 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  rights, ticket and concession money and their student fees are already pretty high. They will either have to downscale or raise a crapload of money because they will also have to add in the cost of purchasing
First there is no need for anything over the 35k-45k range. There is a nationwide downturn in attendance and given the AAC schedule there will not be much of an increase for USF even with a turnaround. Second, you will need commitment for a whole lot more than 30 million if you want to build $140 million dollar stadium. There is no way USF can cover the debt service on $100 million with naming the land.

There are many ways in which the land can be transferred over to the University. The bottom line is if that is what the Board approves then that is what will be. From there, they will decide on how the land is transferred and as to the cost involved.

Just so you understand, the land could be leased to the University for an indefinite period of time. I'm not saying or even suggesting that is what will happen rather, it's just an option.

Again the issue is how much could USF borrow. Lease or buy, it does not matter. They would have to have collateral to back the bonds or loan or whatever method to be used to finance the deal. $100 million dollars is a bunch of money and the debt service on that would require a big source of income. I think most of it would need to come from fundraising.

What I find funny is that USF cannot seem to bring itself to think about a cheaper OCS option. All that talk about not wanting a "wok" or erector set stadium is looking pretty shallow at this point. It probably makes financial sense for USF to consider a cheaper, but upgradable option. Rather than saddle your university with 100 million in debt build an 80 million dollar stadium and look to upgrade later on. Then your debt service costs are half and you build your fanbase up. Its like a new car. It is great for the first few months but eventually that newness wears off and all you really care about is if it gets you from point a to point b, which a used car could do just as well only now you have 5 more years of payments to make.

Nobody at the bouncehouse gives a crap what it looks like provided they have a place on gameday.

(05-07-2015 03:23 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:12 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

unlikely considering UCF is lowering capacity by a few thousand bc of the beach bar.

There are some big programs that probably regret expanding their stadiums capacity in this HD age. I like TCU's model, stay in the 40K range and continue to improve amenities when the money is there

Yep. Improve amenities. I'll pay for that.

The reality is that stadium size is an Internet fan wet dream. The game has changed and you really want smaller seating capacity with more amenities to attract more money per seat. You really think that the fans paying 1,000 a seat wants to be surrounded by $6 dollar fans?. Plus who do you really think the school wants

(05-07-2015 03:12 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

unlikely considering UCF is lowering capacity by a few thousand bc of the beach bar.

There are some big programs that probably regret expanding their stadiums capacity in this HD age. I like TCU's model, stay in the 40K range and continue to improve amenities when the money is there

Agree

(05-07-2015 11:49 AM)callmebigeast Wrote:  Former Orange Bowl (RIP) on the proposed site, at scale.

Where's the center of campus and dorms in relation?

(05-07-2015 03:12 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If USF announces a 45k seat stadium, UCF better announce the 10k expansion the very next day.

unlikely considering UCF is lowering capacity by a few thousand bc of the beach bar.

There are some big programs that probably regret expanding their stadiums capacity in this HD age. I like TCU's model, stay in the 40K range and continue to improve amenities when the money is there

Ucf doesn't have enough premium seating or box space to meet demand. That is why the esc exists. It also drives ticket prices for the regular seats.

(05-07-2015 04:11 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:57 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:49 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  rights, ticket and concession money and their student fees are already pretty high. They will either have to downscale or raise a crapload of money because they will also have to add in the cost of purchasing
First there is no need for anything over the 35k-45k range. There is a nationwide downturn in attendance and given the AAC schedule there will not be much of an increase for USF even with a turnaround. Second, you will need commitment for a whole lot more than 30 million if you want to build $140 million dollar stadium. There is no way USF can cover the debt service on $100 million with naming the land.

There are many ways in which the land can be transferred over to the University. The bottom line is if that is what the Board approves then that is what will be. From there, they will decide on how the land is transferred and as to the cost involved.

Just so you understand, the land could be leased to the University for an indefinite period of time. I'm not saying or even suggesting that is what will happen rather, it's just an option.

Again the issue is how much could USF borrow. Lease or buy, it does not matter. They would have to have collateral to back the bonds or loan or whatever method to be used to finance the deal. $100 million dollars is a bunch of money and the debt service on that would require a big source of income. I think most of it would need to come from fundraising.

What I find funny is that USF cannot seem to bring itself to think about a cheaper OCS option. All that talk about not wanting a "wok" or erector set stadium is looking pretty shallow at this point. It probably makes financial sense for USF to consider a cheaper, but upgradable option. Rather than saddle your university with 100 million in debt build an 80 million dollar stadium and look to upgrade later on. Then your debt service costs are half and you build your fanbase up. Its like a new car. It is great for the first few months but eventually that newness wears off and all you really care about is if it gets you from point a to point b, which a used car could do just as well only now you have 5 more years of payments to make.

Nobody at the bouncehouse gives a crap what it looks like provided they have a place on gameday.

First off, you nor I know what they are or aren't going to build. So lets not place a price tag on something that doesn't yet exist.

Secondly, the University and the City could enter into a partnership where a portion of the revenue such as parking, amenities, product sales are included in the payment portion of the contract. This type of contract would have a lower premium do to a longer term. The Payment on the Principle would be lower but the interest portion higher with an over all lower payment but longer loan period. While this will cause a greater price in the end, it helps the University maintain it's short term budget while not hamstringing it's longer term budgets. As a by product, since there is more space then necessary on that location, there would be room for some shops to be build as well. Now those shops could have a portion of their rent determined as payment on the Interest portion of the Universities loan as those renters would not be present had the stadium not been built in the first place. This would drive down the over all cost of the project for the University since a portion of the project would be paid for by the shops lease payments. Again, creative management.

This is just a possibility and not factual in any way. I'm not part of the process nor am I an advocate. I'm just a bystander making a guess as to what could happen and not what is happening.

(05-07-2015 04:19 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:49 AM)callmebigeast Wrote:  Former Orange Bowl (RIP) on the proposed site, at scale.

Where's the center of campus and dorms in relation?

The center of campus would be in the Quad that you see in center of picture. Dorms are found northeast of there and also southwest closer to the lake

(05-07-2015 03:49 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  First there is no need for anything over the 35k-45k range. There is a nationwide downturn in attendance and given the AAC schedule there will not be much of an increase for USF even with a turnaround. Second, you will need commitment for a whole lot more than 30 million if you want to build $140 million dollar stadium. There is no way USF can cover the debt service on $100 million with naming rights, ticket and concession money and their student fees are already pretty high. They will either have to downscale or raise a crapload of money because they will also have to add in the cost of purchasing the land.

We can do $100 million without a problem. $150 million is very doable to. More than likely we will raise at least $30 million which means we only have to finance $120 million.

Over 30 years your only talking about $$10 million a year, depending on interest and the structure of the deal.... could be lower.

With 48K students, you can easily make a $50 a semester stadium fee, which will raise over $6 million of it. Ticket sales, parking, luxury seats, concessions... that covers the remaining $4 million without an issue.

There are multiple ways to make a really good stadium work and not do it on the cheap. We havent skimped on our new facilities and I doubt we start. Our basketball is high end... soccer, baseball and softball are all top notch. I dont see us building a mid level stadium. Its just not what we do.

(05-07-2015 02:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 12:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Couple of questions for the USF fans:

1. What type of money is available for a new stadium? Any help from the state. corporations for big donors?
2. How many fans do you honestly think is reasonable for a normal Saturday game? Would an on campus stadium change the attendance?
3. What type of support does the football team have right now, both in terms of excitement and money?
4. What is the possibility of a new on campus stadium being built within the next 4 years?

1. I have heard that there would be donors willing to step up. It all depends on what the total cost would be. Wouldn't be surprised if soccer it's involved in the equation also. Forget the state but corporations would be supportive.
2. When we win we could draw in the 60s as has been proven in past. Really right now I would say a 45k seat expandable to more later is the most likely start.
3. Right now support is at its lowest point. We need to win but building a stadium could be a way to excite the fan base. If we go 6-6 or better this year, support will increase or a new coach might bring in excitement
4. It all depends. I would have said zero until this opportunity arrived. Now it all depends on wether MOSI moves and USF gets the land. If that happens then it will be highly probable

Great thanks

(05-07-2015 03:48 PM)Bull Wrote:  If we make a bowl game, I think the debacle of the past few years will soon be forgot. Make one this year and I bet this stadium talk ramps up FAST.

Well, with 84 teams going bowling (42 bowl games now), odds are, USF will be going bowling, just like most in the rest of the country.

(05-07-2015 10:00 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 03:48 PM)Bull Wrote:  If we make a bowl game, I think the debacle of the past few years will soon be forgot. Make one this year and I bet this stadium talk ramps up FAST.

Well, with 84 teams going bowling (42 bowl games now), odds are, USF will be going bowling, just like most in the rest of the country.

First we must win 6 games

How close is an OCS to becoming a reality. And by that I mean how far from now until usf is actually playing in an OCS, 5, 10, 15 years?

about the comment referring to upgrading amenities over seating, i agree. Put some chair-backs for BHNS, or what the Miami Dolphins are doing....Adding livings rooms in the lower portion of their bowl.