(04-13-2015 02:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather get shot than mistakenly kill someone.

Would you rather get shot AND killed than mistakenly kill someone? The "and killed" part of the question is the most relevant part given that for an officer the shot part could easily add the and killed. Somehow, I don't believe you'd rather get shot AND killed.

What was a 73 year old "deputy" doing with a gun. The old man obviously screwed up or why else would he say. "Oh, I shot him - I'm sorry". I think it was an accident that will get a manslaughter charge and conviction. I don't know how a jury could come up with any other answer.

Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Because the Police Union would probably have a field day if they denied him the same privileges given to officers less than half his age.

(04-13-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Question.. Why is it ok to run from the police?

Seriously? Have you not been watching the news?

Yea.. And if people would comply, 90% of the stuff we're seeing wouldn't happen.

If you told your students to do something and they blatantly refused, would you coddle them or make them do the work?

Noncompliance doesn't give you the right to shoot someone in the back 8 times.

True. Where has that happened in these cases?

(04-13-2015 07:43 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Because the Police Union would probably have a field day if they denied him the same privileges given to officers less than half his age.

Where does the police union come into this equation? He's an unpaid volunteer, he wouldn't be the member of the Police Union.

(04-13-2015 07:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Question.. Why is it ok to run from the police?

Seriously? Have you not been watching the news?

Yea.. And if people would comply, 90% of the stuff we're seeing wouldn't happen.

If you told your students to do something and they blatantly refused, would you coddle them or make them do the work?

Noncompliance doesn't give you the right to shoot someone in the back 8 times.

True. Where has that happened in these cases?

You mean besides in the Charleston case?

(04-13-2015 08:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:43 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Because the Police Union would probably have a field day if they denied him the same privileges given to officers less than half his age.

Where does the police union come into this equation? He's an unpaid volunteer, he wouldn't be the member of the Police Union.

I was being sarcastic...

(04-13-2015 02:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 11:32 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Nope, I disagree with you there. A police officer should only use deadly force when reasonably appropriate fear for either their own or others safety exists. An unarmed suspect running away from you don't meet that standard, and the officer himself knows it the second it happens. The same with the incident in Charleston as evidenced by the police officer moving the taser.

You're defending the police in situations where there is video/audio evidence of them immediately knowing they made a mistake.

In this particular case it seems to be a simple mistake by someone who maybe shouldn't have had a gun. 73?? I don't know about that one.

I'd also allow that just because you can't see a gun doesn't mean they don't have one... and just because they don't have one now doesn't mean they won't use one. I'd say that someone with a history of gun violence or a suspect in a violent crime should get far less 'leeway' than some random person pulled over for speeding.

and if you don't make running away from the police have serious consequences, why would a criminal EVER not run? Said differently, if there were potentially serious consequences for running, why would a law abiding citizen EVER run? It's a double edged sword.

(04-13-2015 01:51 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You sure about that? This man was following orders and it didn't end well for him.

You don't know why they were stopping him and that could easily have caused them to be 'on edge'... and in fairness, the guy DID turn around pretty quickly into his car to get 'something'. Of course many assume he was reaching for his license... but it just as easily could have been something else. No, not a good situation, but it's a whole lot easier to stand here watching a video and claim what a reasonable person should have done, and far more difficult when your life may actually be at risk.

It actually proves a point that lots of people like me want to make and that is that edgy cops aren't a good thing.

You can't win.

(04-13-2015 08:55 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 08:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:43 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Because the Police Union would probably have a field day if they denied him the same privileges given to officers less than half his age.

Where does the police union come into this equation? He's an unpaid volunteer, he wouldn't be the member of the Police Union.

I was being sarcastic...

Apologies then, Poe's law and this messageboard seem to go hand in hand.

(04-13-2015 11:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 11:15 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It is a simple concept as well that if an individual lays a finger on an officer of the law, the officer should feel threatened and has the right, extended to he/she, to use whatever force necessary. It's really not a difficult concept!

Let me get this straight. So if I touch an officer, he has the right to shoot me?

Yes. So don't we would miss you

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Probably like just about everywhere else in public safety and because of a lack of funding they didn't have enough manpower to do the job. We are too busy spending money on buying steaks and lobster for people on foodstamps, and other vote buying luxuries to worry too much about public safety.

(04-13-2015 10:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Probably like just about everywhere else in public safety and because of a lack of funding they didn't have enough manpower to do the job. We are too busy spending money on buying steaks and lobster for people on foodstamps, and other vote buying luxuries to worry too much about public safety.

lol ur cute

(04-13-2015 07:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Not a real cop, a 73year old retired insurance salesman and part-time VOLUNTEER cop. WTF is a volunteer cop doing carrying a gun. This was a sting operation, WTF is a volunteer cop doing at a sting operation.

Oh the story gets even worse. Apparently he was a big donor to the Sheriff, who was allowing him to play cop.

WTF? Police are allowing any idiot who can pay him money to go out and play cop with real guns? Is that what is happening here?

This is out of control.

(04-13-2015 08:24 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Seriously? Have you not been watching the news?

Yea.. And if people would comply, 90% of the stuff we're seeing wouldn't happen.

If you told your students to do something and they blatantly refused, would you coddle them or make them do the work?

Noncompliance doesn't give you the right to shoot someone in the back 8 times.

True. Where has that happened in these cases?

You mean besides in the Charleston case?

No, including that, of course, I said "these" cases pretty clearly, should I scroll up and recap so you can catch up?

So which of these cases has someone been shot in the back 8 times?

If your point is that not all 8 rounds fired hit the target, you're being silly.

Poorly trained volunteer cops carrying deadly weapons....Nothing bad is likely to happen here.

Let's see.

So far we have blamed Unions. We got foodstamps and welfare in there. Now if we can only get Obama and Illegal Immigrants and we will have the RightWing Nutjob Superfecta.

That's hard to do!

(04-14-2015 06:51 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Let's see.

So far we have blamed Unions. We got foodstamps and welfare in there. Now if we can only get Obama and Illegal Immigrants and we will have the RightWing Nutjob Superfecta.

That's hard to do!

If Obama didn't mess up the economy so much that cop would have been retired instead of working part-time. Now I'm sure that the police dept will hire an illegal to replace him.

(04-13-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Question.. Why is it ok to run from the police?

Seriously? Have you not been watching the news?

Yea.. And if people would comply, 90% of the stuff we're seeing wouldn't happen.

If you told your students to do something and they blatantly refused, would you coddle them or make them do the work?

Noncompliance doesn't give you the right to shoot someone in the back 8 times.

5 times !.............And No, that's not ok either

(04-14-2015 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Poorly trained volunteer cops carrying deadly weapons....Nothing bad is likely to happen here.

go figure, eh?

is easily going to happen at some point.....

I think we should start with bridge reconstruction with those that have a two-year degree....that should work out 'well' too.....like tossing them down into.....

the lack of understanding the training of the incapable is mind-numbing when it comes to stuff like this or any other.....