(04-07-2015 01:49 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  It makes too much sense to exclude them from the expansion candidates...

I agree.

They have a very average athletic budget and don't have the ability to go out on their own and sign a 7-8 million dollar local TV deal. The ones that can command their own TV deal are the kind of schools that have out grown their local G5 conference.

(04-07-2015 01:49 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I still think NIU is in that "deserving of a chance to prove they're the real deal" club with a few others. They're expanding the stadium, undertaking a massive renovation to a large portion of the other athletic facilities, they're a winning brand and they're the ticket to the Chicago market. It makes too much sense to exclude them from the expansion candidates...

No one in Chicago gives a **** about NIU except alums. It's a pro sports town first, then it's probably ND, NW, Ill, Derrick Rose's knee, and then maybe NIU. This is just as bad as Kit Kat saying Ohio U owns the Columbus market. Lol

(04-07-2015 03:51 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:49 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I still think NIU is in that "deserving of a chance to prove they're the real deal" club with a few others. They're expanding the stadium, undertaking a massive renovation to a large portion of the other athletic facilities, they're a winning brand and they're the ticket to the Chicago market. It makes too much sense to exclude them from the expansion candidates...

No one in Chicago gives a **** about NIU except alums. It's a pro sports town first, then it's probably ND, NW, Ill, Derrick Rose's knee, and then maybe NIU. This is just as bad as Kit Kat saying Ohio U owns the Columbus market. Lol

Maybe if they were in a conference that's less of a joke... the Chicago market is itching for a winning product, and if nobody cares about NIU explain how the Orange Bowl (yeah ok, big bowl so it sells itself) and the Boca Raton Bowl did so well in drawing viewers? Thou doth envy the chance to leave the MAC... soon kimosabe, try to emulate NIU's success and maybe you will

(04-07-2015 03:51 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:49 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I still think NIU is in that "deserving of a chance to prove they're the real deal" club with a few others. They're expanding the stadium, undertaking a massive renovation to a large portion of the other athletic facilities, they're a winning brand and they're the ticket to the Chicago market. It makes too much sense to exclude them from the expansion candidates...

No one in Chicago gives a **** about NIU except alums. It's a pro sports town first, then it's probably ND, NW, Ill, Derrick Rose's knee, and then maybe NIU. This is just as bad as Kit Kat saying Ohio U owns the Columbus market. Lol

OK but we're no worse than tenth in priority. I think. And we're not even a flagship.

(03-30-2015 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  RED DIVISION (East)
Cincinnati
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

WHITE DIVISION (Central)
Houston
Memphis
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*NIU

BLUE DIVISION (West)
*Boise St.
*BYU
*Colorado St.
*Fresno St.
*San Diego St.
*UNLV

STARS-&-STRIPES DIVISION (Military Academies)
*Air Force (West)
*Army (East)
Navy (Central)

It's basically the current American divisions, but add:
- a separate military academies division - move Navy with Army and Air Force;
- NIU in the Central;
- the 6-team Western division.

8-game schedule: Red, White, and Blue divisions play five intra-division games and one game against each of the other three divisions. Military academies play each other and four games against their aligned division (Army-East, Navy-Central, Air Force-West) and one game against the other two divisions.

Conference championship = the two best division winners. If NCAA allows, could have small, three-game championship involving all four division winners over consecutive weekends.

Bowl Games:
- NY6 (Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton) - almost de facto for American Champ
- Military v. ACC
- Las Vegas v. PAC 12
- Birmingham v. SEC
- St. Petersburg v. ACC
- Armed Forces v. Big 12
- Poinsettia v. MWC
- Miami Beach v. C-USA
- Bahamas v. MAC
- Little Rock (apparently) v. Sun Belt
- Famous Idaho Potato v. MAC
- New Orleans v. Sun Belt
- Alternate: Cactus Bowl (v. Big 12/PAC 12) and Liberty Bowl (v. SEC/ACC)

In addition to a corner on the market for the most competitive G5 football programs and all three military academies (fantastic for the American brand), the conference would have members in 8 of the top 10 states (by population), a member in or within 1-2 hours of 12 of the top 20 markets (by TV households), and cover nearly 60% of the the US population.

For basketball, go with 3 scheduling divisions, placing Air Force in the West, Cincinnati in the Central, and Navy and Army in the East. Play 12 games (H-H) against your division (for regional intrigue) and 6 games rotating through the other 14 schools. Bball tournament could rotate among Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York - or something like that. You're probably talking minimum 5 or 6 bids, with the upside for 8 or 9 bids.

Thoughts?

This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  RED DIVISION (East)
Cincinnati
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

WHITE DIVISION (Central)
Houston
Memphis
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*NIU

BLUE DIVISION (West)
*Boise St.
*BYU
*Colorado St.
*Fresno St.
*San Diego St.
*UNLV

STARS-&-STRIPES DIVISION (Military Academies)
*Air Force (West)
*Army (East)
Navy (Central)

It's basically the current American divisions, but add:
- a separate military academies division - move Navy with Army and Air Force;
- NIU in the Central;
- the 6-team Western division.

8-game schedule: Red, White, and Blue divisions play five intra-division games and one game against each of the other three divisions. Military academies play each other and four games against their aligned division (Army-East, Navy-Central, Air Force-West) and one game against the other two divisions.

Conference championship = the two best division winners. If NCAA allows, could have small, three-game championship involving all four division winners over consecutive weekends.

Bowl Games:
- NY6 (Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton) - almost de facto for American Champ
- Military v. ACC
- Las Vegas v. PAC 12
- Birmingham v. SEC
- St. Petersburg v. ACC
- Armed Forces v. Big 12
- Poinsettia v. MWC
- Miami Beach v. C-USA
- Bahamas v. MAC
- Little Rock (apparently) v. Sun Belt
- Famous Idaho Potato v. MAC
- New Orleans v. Sun Belt
- Alternate: Cactus Bowl (v. Big 12/PAC 12) and Liberty Bowl (v. SEC/ACC)

In addition to a corner on the market for the most competitive G5 football programs and all three military academies (fantastic for the American brand), the conference would have members in 8 of the top 10 states (by population), a member in or within 1-2 hours of 12 of the top 20 markets (by TV households), and cover nearly 60% of the the US population.

For basketball, go with 3 scheduling divisions, placing Air Force in the West, Cincinnati in the Central, and Navy and Army in the East. Play 12 games (H-H) against your division (for regional intrigue) and 6 games rotating through the other 14 schools. Bball tournament could rotate among Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York - or something like that. You're probably talking minimum 5 or 6 bids, with the upside for 8 or 9 bids.

Thoughts?

This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

(04-09-2015 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  RED DIVISION (East)
Cincinnati
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

WHITE DIVISION (Central)
Houston
Memphis
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*NIU

BLUE DIVISION (West)
*Boise St.
*BYU
*Colorado St.
*Fresno St.
*San Diego St.
*UNLV

STARS-&-STRIPES DIVISION (Military Academies)
*Air Force (West)
*Army (East)
Navy (Central)

It's basically the current American divisions, but add:
- a separate military academies division - move Navy with Army and Air Force;
- NIU in the Central;
- the 6-team Western division.

8-game schedule: Red, White, and Blue divisions play five intra-division games and one game against each of the other three divisions. Military academies play each other and four games against their aligned division (Army-East, Navy-Central, Air Force-West) and one game against the other two divisions.

Conference championship = the two best division winners. If NCAA allows, could have small, three-game championship involving all four division winners over consecutive weekends.

Bowl Games:
- NY6 (Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton) - almost de facto for American Champ
- Military v. ACC
- Las Vegas v. PAC 12
- Birmingham v. SEC
- St. Petersburg v. ACC
- Armed Forces v. Big 12
- Poinsettia v. MWC
- Miami Beach v. C-USA
- Bahamas v. MAC
- Little Rock (apparently) v. Sun Belt
- Famous Idaho Potato v. MAC
- New Orleans v. Sun Belt
- Alternate: Cactus Bowl (v. Big 12/PAC 12) and Liberty Bowl (v. SEC/ACC)

In addition to a corner on the market for the most competitive G5 football programs and all three military academies (fantastic for the American brand), the conference would have members in 8 of the top 10 states (by population), a member in or within 1-2 hours of 12 of the top 20 markets (by TV households), and cover nearly 60% of the the US population.

For basketball, go with 3 scheduling divisions, placing Air Force in the West, Cincinnati in the Central, and Navy and Army in the East. Play 12 games (H-H) against your division (for regional intrigue) and 6 games rotating through the other 14 schools. Bball tournament could rotate among Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York - or something like that. You're probably talking minimum 5 or 6 bids, with the upside for 8 or 9 bids.

Thoughts?

This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

...and what western teams are you referring to? Boise wasn't come back unless we offered a better deal. Air Force said it wasn't coming because it wanted to be with the “Front Range” schools. The “Front Range” schools were never invited. Furthermore, UNLV and Fresno St turned us down when we were actually the "Big East" with the C7, so how do you get them to join without offering more $$$....

(04-09-2015 12:33 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  RED DIVISION (East)
Cincinnati
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

WHITE DIVISION (Central)
Houston
Memphis
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*NIU

BLUE DIVISION (West)
*Boise St.
*BYU
*Colorado St.
*Fresno St.
*San Diego St.
*UNLV

STARS-&-STRIPES DIVISION (Military Academies)
*Air Force (West)
*Army (East)
Navy (Central)

It's basically the current American divisions, but add:
- a separate military academies division - move Navy with Army and Air Force;
- NIU in the Central;
- the 6-team Western division.

8-game schedule: Red, White, and Blue divisions play five intra-division games and one game against each of the other three divisions. Military academies play each other and four games against their aligned division (Army-East, Navy-Central, Air Force-West) and one game against the other two divisions.

Conference championship = the two best division winners. If NCAA allows, could have small, three-game championship involving all four division winners over consecutive weekends.

Bowl Games:
- NY6 (Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton) - almost de facto for American Champ
- Military v. ACC
- Las Vegas v. PAC 12
- Birmingham v. SEC
- St. Petersburg v. ACC
- Armed Forces v. Big 12
- Poinsettia v. MWC
- Miami Beach v. C-USA
- Bahamas v. MAC
- Little Rock (apparently) v. Sun Belt
- Famous Idaho Potato v. MAC
- New Orleans v. Sun Belt
- Alternate: Cactus Bowl (v. Big 12/PAC 12) and Liberty Bowl (v. SEC/ACC)

In addition to a corner on the market for the most competitive G5 football programs and all three military academies (fantastic for the American brand), the conference would have members in 8 of the top 10 states (by population), a member in or within 1-2 hours of 12 of the top 20 markets (by TV households), and cover nearly 60% of the the US population.

For basketball, go with 3 scheduling divisions, placing Air Force in the West, Cincinnati in the Central, and Navy and Army in the East. Play 12 games (H-H) against your division (for regional intrigue) and 6 games rotating through the other 14 schools. Bball tournament could rotate among Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York - or something like that. You're probably talking minimum 5 or 6 bids, with the upside for 8 or 9 bids.

Thoughts?

This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

...and what western teams are you referring to? Boise wasn't come back unless we offered a better deal. Air Force said it wasn't coming because it wanted to be with the “Front Range” schools. The “Front Range” schools were never invited. Furthermore, UNLV and Fresno St turned us down when we were actually the "Big East" with the C7, so how do you get them to join without offering more $$$....

The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invite. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools). Even then, putting your Olympic sports in the Big West was kind of a demotion. Besides, most of the schools you are mentioning are making less under the current plan. As far as dollars go---the only school doing better under the MW incentive plan is Boise. A nationwide all-sports AAC with 6 MW teams would have been very attractive to the schools in question---but it was never offered. I think it would still be very attractive to those schools. The end result would be a clearly defined #1 G5 conference which was unique and dominant in both football and basketball. Isnt that what schools want---to be in the best conference they can manage? I see this as a win-win for most everyone involved. Big enough to be dominant and possibly gain a significant raise---yet regional enough to make sense for fans and travel budgets.

As Ive said before, the regional model is a complete and proven failure for generating media income. Teams in the top G5 regional conferences used to make about half what teams in power conferences make. Since the mid 1990's the G5 teams have seen their media earning drop from 50% of what P5 teams earn from media to about 10% (at best--most G5 teams get less than 10%). Time to do something different.

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:33 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  RED DIVISION (East)
Cincinnati
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

WHITE DIVISION (Central)
Houston
Memphis
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*NIU

BLUE DIVISION (West)
*Boise St.
*BYU
*Colorado St.
*Fresno St.
*San Diego St.
*UNLV

STARS-&-STRIPES DIVISION (Military Academies)
*Air Force (West)
*Army (East)
Navy (Central)

It's basically the current American divisions, but add:
- a separate military academies division - move Navy with Army and Air Force;
- NIU in the Central;
- the 6-team Western division.

8-game schedule: Red, White, and Blue divisions play five intra-division games and one game against each of the other three divisions. Military academies play each other and four games against their aligned division (Army-East, Navy-Central, Air Force-West) and one game against the other two divisions.

Conference championship = the two best division winners. If NCAA allows, could have small, three-game championship involving all four division winners over consecutive weekends.

Bowl Games:
- NY6 (Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton) - almost de facto for American Champ
- Military v. ACC
- Las Vegas v. PAC 12
- Birmingham v. SEC
- St. Petersburg v. ACC
- Armed Forces v. Big 12
- Poinsettia v. MWC
- Miami Beach v. C-USA
- Bahamas v. MAC
- Little Rock (apparently) v. Sun Belt
- Famous Idaho Potato v. MAC
- New Orleans v. Sun Belt
- Alternate: Cactus Bowl (v. Big 12/PAC 12) and Liberty Bowl (v. SEC/ACC)

In addition to a corner on the market for the most competitive G5 football programs and all three military academies (fantastic for the American brand), the conference would have members in 8 of the top 10 states (by population), a member in or within 1-2 hours of 12 of the top 20 markets (by TV households), and cover nearly 60% of the the US population.

For basketball, go with 3 scheduling divisions, placing Air Force in the West, Cincinnati in the Central, and Navy and Army in the East. Play 12 games (H-H) against your division (for regional intrigue) and 6 games rotating through the other 14 schools. Bball tournament could rotate among Las Vegas, New Orleans, and New York - or something like that. You're probably talking minimum 5 or 6 bids, with the upside for 8 or 9 bids.

Thoughts?

This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

...and what western teams are you referring to? Boise wasn't come back unless we offered a better deal. Air Force said it wasn't coming because it wanted to be with the “Front Range” schools. The “Front Range” schools were never invited. Furthermore, UNLV and Fresno St turned us down when we were actually the "Big East" with the C7, so how do you get them to join without offering more $$$....

The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invites. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools).

UNLV and Fresno St. were not joining an unstable and unnamed conference regardless of the type of invite. In addition to this, it was totally about $$$ with Boise. The TV deal was less that what was expected. Boise didn't care about the other MWC schools or it wouldn't have left...

EDIT: You added almost another paragraph of info after I responded. You should have started another post….

(04-09-2015 01:09 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:33 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  This is frustrating to read because a conference similar to this should exist already…. Mr. TV Expert Aresco lost Boise St back to the MWC when it was locked into a TV contract and we were negotiating one—an epic failure in my opinion. He should have presented the American with a similar and better incentive package to entice Boise to stay. Each school could have been guaranteed at least $1.5 mil minimum. He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join. Unfortunately, he totally gave up on western expansion when the MWC required Boise St….

No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

...and what western teams are you referring to? Boise wasn't come back unless we offered a better deal. Air Force said it wasn't coming because it wanted to be with the “Front Range” schools. The “Front Range” schools were never invited. Furthermore, UNLV and Fresno St turned us down when we were actually the "Big East" with the C7, so how do you get them to join without offering more $$$....

The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invites. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools).

UNLV and Fresno St. were not joining an unstable and unnamed conference regardless of the type of invite. In addition to this, it was totally about $$$ with Boise. The TV deal was less that what was expected. Boise didn't care about the other MWC schools or it wouldn't have left...

EDIT: You added almost another paragraph of info after I responded. You should have started another post….

lol...sorry. I had another thought I wanted to add, but work interrupted...The point was Boise was fine until the AAC didn't complete the western wing. Once the C7 left, we should have built a true western all-sports division. Like I said before, the regional model is a failure at income generation. Time to try something new. There is really nothing to lose. In my opinion, the deregulation of divisional play reopens the opportunity to do what the Big East western wing failed to effectively do because it didn't go "all in". The deregulation creates the opportunity to build a dominant national G5 conference with regional all-sports divisions that make sense.

(04-09-2015 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 01:09 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:33 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No. He should not have offered a better incentive package. What he should have done is add enough western teams to make the west viable and he should have immediately made the west additions all-sports once the C7 left. Something like the above would have existed had Aresco made those 2 common sense moves.

...and what western teams are you referring to? Boise wasn't come back unless we offered a better deal. Air Force said it wasn't coming because it wanted to be with the “Front Range” schools. The “Front Range” schools were never invited. Furthermore, UNLV and Fresno St turned us down when we were actually the "Big East" with the C7, so how do you get them to join without offering more $$$....

The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invites. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools).

UNLV and Fresno St. were not joining an unstable and unnamed conference regardless of the type of invite. In addition to this, it was totally about $$$ with Boise. The TV deal was less that what was expected. Boise didn't care about the other MWC schools or it wouldn't have left...

EDIT: You added almost another paragraph of info after I responded. You should have started another post….

lol...sorry. I had another thought I wanted to add, but work interrupted...The point was Boise was fine until the AAC didn't complete the western wing. Once the C7 left, we should have built a true western all-sports division. Like I said before, the regional model is a failure at income generation. Time to try something new. There is really nothing to lose. In my opinion, the deregulation of divisional play reopens the opportunity to do what the Big East western wing failed to effectively do because it didn't go "all in". The deregulation creates the opportunity to build a dominant national G5 conference with regional all-sports divisions that make sense.

That adds to NIU's appeal. Their basketball is horrible but they are a G5 powerhouse for football. Plus the Chicago market. Football only invite makes sense...

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invite. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools). Even then, putting your Olympic sports in the Big West was kind of a demotion.

A demotion for Olympic sports huh? Hawaii would like to have a word with you about that. They apparently disagree. Boise doesn't have baseball or care about their non-football sports though, so it wouldn't have mattered much.

BTW, put Boise and SDSU back in the BW this year and it would have earned three bids for basketball.

(04-10-2015 12:10 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invite. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools). Even then, putting your Olympic sports in the Big West was kind of a demotion.

A demotion for Olympic sports huh? Hawaii would like to have a word with you about that. They apparently disagree. Boise doesn't have baseball or care about their non-football sports though, so it wouldn't have mattered much.

BTW, put Boise and SDSU back in the BW this year and it would have earned three bids for basketball.

Gee, why stop there----put Duke and Kentucky in the Big West and they would have dominated headlines all year and capped it off with a National Championship.

Honestly, what I think has nothing to do with it. All that matters is what the MW schools think. The reality is the MW schools believe the MW is a MUCH better basketball conference than the Big West. That's the only opinion that matters within the context of this discussion. FWIW--my intent was not to knock the Big West, but simply to look at the AAC football-only offer in the same way a MW school might have viewed it.

Besides, even if the two were identical, the Big West still becomes a much less appealing choice if you need to pay $900K in travel subsidies each year (like Boise was slated to do).

(04-10-2015 12:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:10 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The AAC never invited any of those teams with a all sports invite. If the AAC had invited enough MW schools to make a full western division with Houston and SMU, Boise would never have considered a return to the MW. The only reason they considered a return was they had only one western partner and had to stick their Olympic sports in the Big West (plus they had to pay some 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West). The "football only" deal was an awful deal for Boise (or any other team that wasn't a bus ride away from other Big West schools). Even then, putting your Olympic sports in the Big West was kind of a demotion.

A demotion for Olympic sports huh? Hawaii would like to have a word with you about that. They apparently disagree. Boise doesn't have baseball or care about their non-football sports though, so it wouldn't have mattered much.

BTW, put Boise and SDSU back in the BW this year and it would have earned three bids for basketball.

Gee, why stop there----put Duke and Kentucky in the Big West and they would have dominated headlines all year and capped it off with a National Championship.

Honestly, what I think has nothing to do with it. All that matters is what the MW schools think. The reality is the MW schools believe the MW is a MUCH better basketball conference than the Big West. That's the only opinion that matters within the context of this discussion. FWIW--my intent was not to knock the Big West, but simply to look at the AAC football-only offer in the same way a MW school might have viewed it.

Besides, even if the two were identical, the Big West still becomes a much less appealing choice if you need to pay $900K in travel subsidies each year (like Boise was slated to do).

I can roll with that.

I saw a discussion on another board about the ACC's plans for deregulation - to have a single 15-team division where you just take the top-2 for the CCG (easy enough), but have 3 scheduling divisions based on relegation and promotion - so, you get the best matchups.

What if the New American (ie, 18-team conference, with 3 divisions) followed a Tier approach for the cross-division games? So, you still play the 5 teams in your geography-based division, but the other 3 games would be competitive based. For instance:

Tier 1: Boise St., Colorado St., Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, ECU
Tier 2: Houston, Air Force, Navy, Fresno St., San Diego St., Temple
Tier 3: USF, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, UNLV

So, you play the 5 other teams in your Division and then 3 games based on your Tier (which could change from season to season).

Cincinnati would play: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, and USF, and then Boise St., Colorado St., and Memphis (all in Tier 1).

Houston would play SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, and Navy, and then 3 out of Air Force, Temple, Fresno St., and San Diego (from Tier 2).

USF would play Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Temple, and UConn, and then 3 out of Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and UNLV (from Tier 3).

This could make a lot of sense from a TV perspective. It would also help your conference's Tier 1 teams to have better SOS so that

However, the hard part would be how to determine the CCG participants. There are a lot of scenarios where a team's record looks better than higher ranked teams' simply because of the schedule.

So, I looked at the 2014 TV coverage for the AAC, MWC expansion candidates, Army, Navy, and BYU.

Here are some highlights of what I found:

6 games were broadcast on ABC or CBS broadcast networks. (7 if you include the MWC championship game on CBS). This included Army-Air Force and Army-Navy games and the Notre Dame-Navy game. It also included Tulsa and SMU games against Oklahoma and A&M.

7 games were broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2 on a Saturday (4 of the 7 were BYU games).

There were 11 games broadcast on ESPN, 12 on ESPN2, and 23 on ESPNU. Of the 46 games broadcast on ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU, 25 of them (over half) were held on a Thursday (7) or Friday (18).

The average week saw 3.5 games broadcast on either ABC, CBS, or ESPN/2/U.

There were 63 games shown on ESPNEWS or CBSSports network - or about 4+ games per week (and every week having at least 3).

41 games were shown on regional carriers or internet-only platforms - or about 4+ games per week, but some weeks with only 1 such game.

So, with no other changes or synergies, the typical weekly New American TV lineup would see something like this:

- 1 weekly Saturday game on ABC, CBS or ESPN;
- 1 weekly Saturday game on ESPNU.
- 2 weekly Thursday and Friday games on ESPN/2/U - with at least one on ESPN or ESPN2.

Both the AAC and MWC currently get about $18 million per season. BYU gets about $6-8 million. The Army-Navy game alone fetches $10 million.

Realistically, I think the New American could grab at least $75 million per year under a new TV deal for its primary football and basketball rights. (at least 4 games per week, championship game, tons of quality basketball inventory). With 21 teams, the low-end average per team payout would be about $3.5 million. That's an upgrade for most of the AAC and MWC. But, it's a downgrade for BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy.

But, what if you took the 100 or so games each season from ESPNEWS, CBSSN, and regional and internet platforms, plus a ton of November-to-March basketball inventory and created an American TV network? That inventory could add at least another $500K to $1 million annual value per institution.

So, what if you had a base payout of about $4 million (depending on the value from the American TV networK and the primary rights deal) and then placed about $15-20 million into a MWC-esque bonus fund, to be distributed to institutions based on appearances on ABC/CBS/ESPN? $500K per game or something like that (again, depending on the AAC Network and primary rights deal)? BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy would likely see enough bonuses to reach or improve the status quo. The teams with the most appearances could pull in $8-10 million. All others would see their payouts double, with an opportunity to grab substantially more. And the future with a conference-owned network would be tremendous.

BYU is the perfect partner for setting up a network, as it already has broadcasting state-of-art equipment (including road game equipment), facilities and already re-broadcasts several non-BYU/non-LDS channels from its BYUTV studios.

The question is what would happen to the MWC contract if half the MWC leaves, including it's best property (Boise St.). [only important if this happens before the MWC contract expires in 4 years].

Thoughts? Is this doable? Desirable?

(04-29-2015 05:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  So, I looked at the 2014 TV coverage for the AAC, MWC expansion candidates, Army, Navy, and BYU.

Here are some highlights of what I found:

6 games were broadcast on ABC or CBS broadcast networks. (7 if you include the MWC championship game on CBS). This included Army-Air Force and Army-Navy games and the Notre Dame-Navy game. It also included Tulsa and SMU games against Oklahoma and A&M.

7 games were broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2 on a Saturday (4 of the 7 were BYU games).

There were 11 games broadcast on ESPN, 12 on ESPN2, and 23 on ESPNU. Of the 46 games broadcast on ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU, 25 of them (over half) were held on a Thursday (7) or Friday (18).

The average week saw 3.5 games broadcast on either ABC, CBS, or ESPN/2/U.

There were 63 games shown on ESPNEWS or CBSSports network - or about 4+ games per week (and every week having at least 3).

41 games were shown on regional carriers or internet-only platforms - or about 4+ games per week, but some weeks with only 1 such game.

So, with no other changes or synergies, the typical weekly New American TV lineup would see something like this:

- 1 weekly Saturday game on ABC, CBS or ESPN;
- 1 weekly Saturday game on ESPNU.
- 2 weekly Thursday and Friday games on ESPN/2/U - with at least one on ESPN or ESPN2.

Both the AAC and MWC currently get about $18 million per season. BYU gets about $6-8 million. The Army-Navy game alone fetches $10 million.

Realistically, I think the New American could grab at least $75 million per year under a new TV deal for its primary football and basketball rights. (at least 4 games per week, championship game, tons of quality basketball inventory). With 21 teams, the low-end average per team payout would be about $3.5 million. That's an upgrade for most of the AAC and MWC. But, it's a downgrade for BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy.

But, what if you took the 100 or so games each season from ESPNEWS, CBSSN, and regional and internet platforms, plus a ton of November-to-March basketball inventory and created an American TV network? That inventory could add at least another $500K to $1 million annual value per institution.

So, what if you had a base payout of about $4 million (depending on the value from the American TV networK and the primary rights deal) and then placed about $15-20 million into a MWC-esque bonus fund, to be distributed to institutions based on appearances on ABC/CBS/ESPN? $500K per game or something like that (again, depending on the AAC Network and primary rights deal)? BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy would likely see enough bonuses to reach or improve the status quo. The teams with the most appearances could pull in $8-10 million. All others would see their payouts double, with an opportunity to grab substantially more. And the future with a conference-owned network would be tremendous.

BYU is the perfect partner for setting up a network, as it already has broadcasting state-of-art equipment (including road game equipment), facilities and already re-broadcasts several non-BYU/non-LDS channels from its BYUTV studios.

The question is what would happen to the MWC contract if half the MWC leaves, including it's best property (Boise St.). [only important if this happens before the MWC contract expires in 4 years].

Thoughts? Is this doable? Desirable?

One I think we would be floating the other mwc schools and could do better on our own and 2 you are not counting the costs for the network or that nous and byu have better contracts now

(04-29-2015 05:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  So, I looked at the 2014 TV coverage for the AAC, MWC expansion candidates, Army, Navy, and BYU.

Here are some highlights of what I found:

6 games were broadcast on ABC or CBS broadcast networks. (7 if you include the MWC championship game on CBS). This included Army-Air Force and Army-Navy games and the Notre Dame-Navy game. It also included Tulsa and SMU games against Oklahoma and A&M.

7 games were broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2 on a Saturday (4 of the 7 were BYU games).

There were 11 games broadcast on ESPN, 12 on ESPN2, and 23 on ESPNU. Of the 46 games broadcast on ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU, 25 of them (over half) were held on a Thursday (7) or Friday (18).

The average week saw 3.5 games broadcast on either ABC, CBS, or ESPN/2/U.

There were 63 games shown on ESPNEWS or CBSSports network - or about 4+ games per week (and every week having at least 3).

41 games were shown on regional carriers or internet-only platforms - or about 4+ games per week, but some weeks with only 1 such game.

So, with no other changes or synergies, the typical weekly New American TV lineup would see something like this:

- 1 weekly Saturday game on ABC, CBS or ESPN;
- 1 weekly Saturday game on ESPNU.
- 2 weekly Thursday and Friday games on ESPN/2/U - with at least one on ESPN or ESPN2.

Both the AAC and MWC currently get about $18 million per season. BYU gets about $6-8 million. The Army-Navy game alone fetches $10 million.

Realistically, I think the New American could grab at least $75 million per year under a new TV deal for its primary football and basketball rights. (at least 4 games per week, championship game, tons of quality basketball inventory). With 21 teams, the low-end average per team payout would be about $3.5 million. That's an upgrade for most of the AAC and MWC. But, it's a downgrade for BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy.

But, what if you took the 100 or so games each season from ESPNEWS, CBSSN, and regional and internet platforms, plus a ton of November-to-March basketball inventory and created an American TV network? That inventory could add at least another $500K to $1 million annual value per institution.

So, what if you had a base payout of about $4 million (depending on the value from the American TV networK and the primary rights deal) and then placed about $15-20 million into a MWC-esque bonus fund, to be distributed to institutions based on appearances on ABC/CBS/ESPN? $500K per game or something like that (again, depending on the AAC Network and primary rights deal)? BYU, Boise St., Army, and Navy would likely see enough bonuses to reach or improve the status quo. The teams with the most appearances could pull in $8-10 million. All others would see their payouts double, with an opportunity to grab substantially more. And the future with a conference-owned network would be tremendous.

BYU is the perfect partner for setting up a network, as it already has broadcasting state-of-art equipment (including road game equipment), facilities and already re-broadcasts several non-BYU/non-LDS channels from its BYUTV studios.

The question is what would happen to the MWC contract if half the MWC leaves, including it's best property (Boise St.). [only important if this happens before the MWC contract expires in 4 years].

Thoughts? Is this doable? Desirable?

For MWC to get Boise State back in the conference, they allow Boise State to sell their home game rights to the highest bidder. ESPN got most of their home games which gave Boise more money than any other MWC teams. So, Boise State is actually making more money right now.

(04-10-2015 04:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  I saw a discussion on another board about the ACC's plans for deregulation - to have a single 15-team division where you just take the top-2 for the CCG (easy enough), but have 3 scheduling divisions based on relegation and promotion - so, you get the best matchups.

What if the New American (ie, 18-team conference, with 3 divisions) followed a Tier approach for the cross-division games? So, you still play the 5 teams in your geography-based division, but the other 3 games would be competitive based. For instance:

Tier 1: Boise St., Colorado St., Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, ECU
Tier 2: Houston, Air Force, Navy, Fresno St., San Diego St., Temple
Tier 3: USF, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, UNLV

So, you play the 5 other teams in your Division and then 3 games based on your Tier (which could change from season to season).

Cincinnati would play: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, and USF, and then Boise St., Colorado St., and Memphis (all in Tier 1).

Houston would play SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, and Navy, and then 3 out of Air Force, Temple, Fresno St., and San Diego (from Tier 2).

USF would play Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Temple, and UConn, and then 3 out of Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and UNLV (from Tier 3).

This could make a lot of sense from a TV perspective. It would also help your conference's Tier 1 teams to have better SOS so that

However, the hard part would be how to determine the CCG participants. There are a lot of scenarios where a team's record looks better than higher ranked teams' simply because of the schedule.

No NIU in there, and you put some seriously less deserving schools in there. Can't support that...

(04-09-2015 12:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  He also should have asked Air Force (for the second time) along with the “Front Range” schools to join.

Sorry,

There would have been no way the AAC had the votes to add Wyoming, even with Air Force