Soooooo you have 3G/4G cellular data in the trunk of a car ......... but not cellular voice service to call 911? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

(03-04-2015 02:32 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:35 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  2. Mathew Shepherd. Laramie, Wyoming. ( new evidence shows that it was s drug deal murder not a hate crime associated with the homosexual )


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That is bull and you know it

if you are going to post such stupid things at least back it up with some intellectual source

Quote:The murder continued to attract public attention and media coverage long after the trial was over. In 2004, the ABC News news program 20/20 aired a report quoting claims by McKinney, Henderson, and Kristen Price, the prosecutor and a lead investigator, that the murder had not been motivated by Shepard's sexuality but rather was primarily a drug-related robbery that had turned violent.[15]

Gay advocacy organizations charged that the 20/20 report, which featured interviews with McKinney and Henderson, was sensational, misleading, and downplayed or ignored evidence of homophobia as a motivation for the crime.[61][62][63][64]

By contrast, in an essay in LGBT publication The Advocate, Aaron Hicklin wrote that after years of investigation the show's producer Jimenez interviewed over 100 people and had "amassed enough anecdotal evidence to build a persuasive case that Shepard's sexuality was, if not incidental, certainly less central than popular consensus had lead us to believe."[65]

Dave O'Malley, the Laramie police commander over the investigations division at the time of Shepard's murder,[66] said "I feel comfortable in my own heart that they did what they did to Matt because they had hatred towards him for being Gay." The prosecutor in the case, however, stated there was ample evidence that drugs were at least a factor in the murder[67] and Officer Waters told British journalist Julie Bindel "I believe to this day that McKinney and Henderson were trying to find Matthew’s house so they could steal his drugs. It was fairly well known in the Laramie community that McKinney wouldn’t be one that was striking out of a sense of homophobia."[41] Homicide detective Ben Fritzen, who had interviewed Price, said that those "closely involved with investigating the case.... Initially agreed [this wasn't a hate crime but] as time went on, some became politically involved".[35]

In September 2013, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard by gay writer Stephen Jimenez, the producer of the 2004 20/20 segment, was published. The book revived and expanded upon Jimenez's claims that Shepard's murder was at least partly drug-related, specifically to Shepard's being a "major" methamphetamine dealer, and that, contrary to the previously generally accepted version of events, his sexual orientation was not a major motive for the crime.[68] According to Jimenez, Shepard and the killer who inflicted the injuries (McKinney) had been occasional sexual partners.[69][70]

Culture critic Alyssa Rosenberg said the book was poorly sourced "by not distinguishing which quotations are manufactured from recollections, which are paraphrases recounted by sources, and which were spoken directly to [Jimenez]."[68] "[I]n a common bit of right-wing positioning meant to blunt any criticism of his theories as politically correct, Jimenez sets himself up as a victim," wrote Rosenberg.[68]

Some police officials interviewed after Jimenez's book's publication disputed certain claims made in the book while others praised it. O'Malley noted Shephard's small build and said the idea that Shepard was "a methamphetamine kingpin is almost humorous. Someone that would buy into that certainly would believe almost anything they read." Rob Debree, lead sheriff's investigator at the time, said the book contains "factual errors and lies", and deemed Jimenez's claim that Shepard was a drug dealer "truly laughable".[66] However Matthew Shepard's former lover and long-term friend, Ted Henson, said the book is “nothing more than the truth”[41] and Cal Rerucha, who prosecuted the case, stated that Jimenez was one of the only people "that really looked through the files" of the case. He called the book "fair" saying Shepard's friends "were on a mission" to make the crime out as a hate crime. Rerucha also disputed Debree's claim that Jimenez lied by claiming that someone had shot through Rerucha's window. He said that someone had indeed shot through his window.

Did you really not know of any of this?

(03-04-2015 05:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Soooooo you have 3G/4G cellular data in the trunk of a car ......... but not cellular voice service to call 911? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

He told police that "while" in the truck he did not call because he didn't want his
evil straight kidnappers to hear him. Riiiiiiiiight LOL indeed.

(03-04-2015 04:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Well this thread is certainly full of amazingly compelling evidence that we should definitely have different laws concerning homosexuals.

Can you point out where a poster suggested this? Kid is getting off with a misdemeanor.
Did someone suggest we should have different laws?

(03-04-2015 05:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  He told police that "while" in the truck he did not call because he didn't want his evil straight kidnappers to hear him.

Unless they were in a Lexus the chance of hearing someone whispering into a phone while in the trunk of a car is probably somewhere between zero, and none.

I just have to keep reminding myself that liberals want this type of event to be true. Desperately want this type of event to be true.

(03-04-2015 05:55 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 05:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  He told police that "while" in the truck he did not call because he didn't want his evil straight kidnappers to hear him.

Unless they were in a Lexus the chance of hearing someone whispering into a phone while in the trunk of a car is probably somewhere between zero, and none.

I just have to keep reminding myself that liberals want this type of event to be true. Desperately want this type of event to be true.

Activist liberals create multiple false flags to run on and get people elected. The USA is one of the most cultural/ethnic/diverse/gay friendly places on the planet. It is pretty remarkable how all of us get along so well, but to their talking points you would think it is a savage society where evil conservatives are out in full force killing everybody. Most people just want to work and go home.

(03-04-2015 06:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Activist liberals create multiple false flags to run on and get people elected. The USA is one of the most cultural/ethnic/diverse/gay friendly places on the planet. It is pretty remarkable how all of us get along so well, but to their talking points you would think it is a savage society where evil conservatives are out in full force killing everybody. Most people just want to work and go home.

There is no money in being an activist if there are no things to protest and agitate against. For instance, homophobia now means anybody who less than fully enthusiastic about any whim that strikes the GLBT movement. Thus, protesting the Cincinnati St. Paddy's Day Parade. My, how the goalposts have moved.

(03-04-2015 06:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Most people just want to work and go home.

I recently heard a description of these type of people: the Quietest American. As in the Quietest American holds their values mostly in family, maybe a little religion, a few close friends, the avoidance of the Hollywood and the nightly news, the rote of commuting to work and coming home, trying to stay off the dole and taking responsibility for one’s own disasters. There is simply no time to kidnap LGBTQ-LMNOPQRSTUVWXZ activists, hold them hostage, and threaten their family. Nor is there the desire too....

But I am constantly reminded that as a successful white male I am just thissssss close to throwing gays off buildings, punching women, not appreciating minority authors, ridiculed as basement-dwellers for avoiding aggressive, demanding women with unrealistic expectations, or being called a rapist and misogynists merely for expressing sexual interest.

I am sure this is progress, according to many liberals.