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Quote: The economic policies are the heart of both systems. Again, if they are so different, why were fascists the darlings of far-left intellectuals in the 1930s?

I don't know of this being the case. Source?
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(03-04-2015 10:11 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
Quote: The economic policies are the heart of both systems. Again, if they are so different, why were fascists the darlings of far-left intellectuals in the 1930s?

I don't know of this being the case. Source?

You don't know of what being the case?
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That Facists were 'darlings of far-left intellectuals in the 1930's'.
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Fascism has always been in the right wing of the political spectrum.

Personally, I consider fascism a way of governing rather than a form of government.

It is much more accurate to consider the politcal spectrum as a circle rather than right or left wing. The further to the right or left you are, the more you actually have in common with eachother.

Fascism could be atributed therefor to the right or left wing.
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(03-04-2015 11:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  That Facists were 'darlings of far-left intellectuals in the 1930's'.

Here are a few quotes:

• H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
• The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”
• The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”
• Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”
• McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”
• After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”
• Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”
• NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”
• FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”
• New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”
• Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.

Source: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewS...sp?id=1223

Most of the discussion I've seen about this has been in print, not online, so can't really link. This was one source that happened to be online.
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(03-04-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Fascism has always been in the right wing of the political spectrum.
Personally, I consider fascism a way of governing rather than a form of government.
It is much more accurate to consider the politcal spectrum as a circle rather than right or left wing. The further to the right or left you are, the more you actually have in common with each other.
Fascism could be atributed therefor to the right or left wing.

The 2-dimensional "world's smallest political quiz" that libertarians like to use illustrates this well. I think I'm probably about as far from fascism, and socialism and communism, as it is possible to be.
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