(01-27-2015 02:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well regardless, I'm guessing Illinois State would agree to replace Northern Illinois in the MAC for the sake of football brand growth at the expense of basketball being in the MVC.

playing in the MVC.

(01-27-2015 09:38 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  1) CAN they offer the stipends?

2) CAN they offer a TV revenue bump?

3) Will their other programs be competitive in a new conference.

With probably the MWC and AAC being the most attractive options out there would they go for MAC/SBC/WAC/CUSA schools to fill up to 16? Then, would the SBC/WAC/CUSA/MAC feel good enough about those options to add them?

I don't see what the possible incentive for any G5 conference to expand past 12 members is, given that the CFP payout is $1million per school up to a maximum of 12.


No schools currently can or will in the future be able to offer a stipend to a roster spot on a varsity team. That's the same thing as offering a salary and goes against the core foundation of the NCAA.

Perhaps you were referring to FCOA scholarships?

(01-22-2015 10:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Basketball would potentially be a sacrifice, going down from the MVC to the MAC.

Is the MAC even considered a multi-bid league?

That is a concern of the school's, and most any team in the MVC.

(01-24-2015 12:06 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The MAC is projected to be a top-10 conference and finish ahead of the MVC (and MWC, C-USA and many others) this season.

Don't know if that translates to a multi-bid league. Great MAC teams have been passed over before, for no other reason than being in the MAC.

We will see at the end of the season.

(01-27-2015 02:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well regardless, I'm guessing Illinois State would agree to replace Northern Illinois in the MAC for the sake of football brand growth at the expense of basketball being in the MVC.

In a heartbeat. If ISU knew they had a chance to do so they would do almost whatever it would take.

(01-29-2015 08:40 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  That is a concern of the school's, and most any team in the MVC.


We will see at the end of the season.


In a heartbeat. If ISU knew they had a chance to do so they would do almost whatever it would take.

Well, I'm glad for IL St. in that case. Envious, as well. I don't see NDSU ever getting an invitation to the MAC, even if Northern Illinois and Northern Iowa acted as a "geographical bridge" and SDSU was included as a travel partner.


What do you think the odds are of the MVFC moving up to FBS, in a hypothetical world where such a thing was allowed to happen. Assume that they would not be able to participate in the CFP or receive any money from that agreement until the end of the current 12-year cycle.

(01-29-2015 10:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 08:40 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  That is a concern of the school's, and most any team in the MVC.


We will see at the end of the season.


In a heartbeat. If ISU knew they had a chance to do so they would do almost whatever it would take.

Well, I'm glad for IL St. in that case. Envious, as well. I don't see NDSU ever getting an invitation to the MAC, even if Northern Illinois and Northern Iowa acted as a "geographical bridge" and SDSU was included as a travel partner.


What do you think the odds are of the MVFC moving up to FBS, in a hypothetical world where such a thing was allowed to happen. Assume that they would not be able to participate in the CFP or receive any money from that agreement until the end of the current 12-year cycle.

I could see the MVFC as a Eastern division in a new FBS conference if allowed.
Maybe even a Western Division depending on the partner conference.
Big Sky or CAA or Ohio Valley because its a football only conference .
Also getting enough schools willing to jump is a problem any of them would have even if allowed. Combining forces with two or more conferences would make it more feasible . That is assuming it would be allowed.

(01-22-2015 09:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  If UMass had bitten the bullet and moved up 10 years earlier, they would be in the AAC now.

Doubtful.

UMass was researching a move up a decade ago. They spent a few days at Clemson studying IPTAY and supposedly had their eyes opened to the fact that they were nowhere close to being ready for IA football at that time. If they had moved up then it's entirely possible they would have either moved back down or shuttered the program altogether.

(01-29-2015 10:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 08:40 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  That is a concern of the school's, and most any team in the MVC.


We will see at the end of the season.


In a heartbeat. If ISU knew they had a chance to do so they would do almost whatever it would take.

Well, I'm glad for IL St. in that case. Envious, as well. I don't see NDSU ever getting an invitation to the MAC, even if Northern Illinois and Northern Iowa acted as a "geographical bridge" and SDSU was included as a travel partner.


What do you think the odds are of the MVFC moving up to FBS, in a hypothetical world where such a thing was allowed to happen. Assume that they would not be able to participate in the CFP or receive any money from that agreement until the end of the current 12-year cycle.

To be fair that "geographical bridge" of NIU is about as close to NDSU as NIU is to Buffalo if I recall correctly which is about as far as it gets in the MAC. In the MAC NIU to Buffalo would not be considered a "geographical bridge" I would think.

For whatever reason nobody likes this idea but I believe North Dakota St would be a good pick up for the Sun Belt on a FB only basis.

(01-29-2015 11:08 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  To be fair that "geographical bridge" of NIU is about as close to NDSU as NIU is to Buffalo if I recall correctly which is about as far as it gets in the MAC. In the MAC NIU to Buffalo would not be considered a "geographical bridge" I would think.

NDSU to UNI - 450mi/~6.5 hrs
UNI to NIU - 248mi/~3.5hrs

That was moreso the bridge I was talking about. And NDSU to SDSU (our "travel partner") would "only" be 190mi/~2.5hrs.


Nonetheless, not going to happen.

Although, if somehow NDSU and SDSU got sucked into this mythical Idaho/Big Sky new FBS conference (let me say again, mythical) - then I wonder if UNI would ask for a membership in the MAC?

(01-29-2015 10:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I'm glad for IL St. in that case. Envious, as well. I don't see NDSU ever getting an invitation to the MAC, even if Northern Illinois and Northern Iowa acted as a "geographical bridge" and SDSU was included as a travel partner.


What do you think the odds are of the MVFC moving up to FBS, in a hypothetical world where such a thing was allowed to happen. Assume that they would not be able to participate in the CFP or receive any money from that agreement until the end of the current 12-year cycle.

I don't know what the chances are of NIU changing conferences are so you don't need to be envious.

In all honesty I would really prefer to move up with most or all of our current conference. I know that Missouri State and North Dakota State have been thrown around as possible FBS teams, but if I had it my way I'd want a large group of the current teams to move up (as well as Eastern Illinois).

Do you know what the general consensus is among NDSU fans and being happy with the MVFC as opposed to being in the Big Sky Conference?

To answer your question, keeping in mind that this is coming from someone with no connections to breaking information, I would say that if magically the MVFC could move up to the FBS (I don't see that happening, but that's something completely different) that they would do it. They would get teams to play them that wouldn't before because they were FCS, and it's not like they would magically get better. You could schedule two big teams a year and get a payday of about 1.4 million dollars. I think that as long as there was nothing very wrong in moving up that it would be done. Travel costs would not change, only the extra scholarships for the football team and equivilant title nine which could be made up from the higher level football games.

Where did this 12 year period come from? That seems awful long.

(01-29-2015 07:05 PM)MJG Wrote:  I could see the MVFC as a Eastern division in a new FBS conference if allowed.
Maybe even a Western Division depending on the partner conference.
Big Sky or CAA or Ohio Valley because its a football only conference .
Also getting enough schools willing to jump is a problem any of them would have even if allowed. Combining forces with two or more conferences would make it more feasible . That is assuming it would be allowed.

I can't see a new FBS conference forming anytime soon. Especially with all of the consolidating that is going on with the power conferences.

(01-30-2015 12:26 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason nobody likes this idea but I believe North Dakota St would be a good pick up for the Sun Belt on a FB only basis.

That's a far reach, but if the Sun Belt came calling I hope that NDSU wouldn't sneeze at the idea.

All FCS movement is essentially determined by the Big 12 adding more, Sunbelt adding more, or the C-USA or American adding more. I think that the Big 12 will fight tooth and nail to keep 10 teams and get a conference championship game unless an opportunity arises to gain more money with more teams.

(01-30-2015 11:20 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  I don't know what the chances are of NIU changing conferences are so you don't need to be envious.

In all honesty I would really prefer to move up with most or all of our current conference. I know that Missouri State and North Dakota State have been thrown around as possible FBS teams, but if I had it my way I'd want a large group of the current teams to move up (as well as Eastern Illinois).

Do you know what the general consensus is among NDSU fans and being happy with the MVFC as opposed to being in the Big Sky Conference?

To answer your question, keeping in mind that this is coming from someone with no connections to breaking information, I would say that if magically the MVFC could move up to the FBS (I don't see that happening, but that's something completely different) that they would do it. They would get teams to play them that wouldn't before because they were FCS, and it's not like they would magically get better. You could schedule two big teams a year and get a payday of about 1.4 million dollars. I think that as long as there was nothing very wrong in moving up that it would be done. Travel costs would not change, only the extra scholarships for the football team and equivilant title nine which could be made up from the higher level football games.

Where did this 12 year period come from? That seems awful long.

If NIU builds the 40k stadium, coming off their BCS bowl appearances and seemingly annual MAC championships, then it's possible they could be selected by a "larger" G5 for the Chicago market potential.


12 years is the length of the current CFP contract. I don't think they'll start talking about a new contract until a couple years out. We just got done with year one. So likely an eight or nine year wait until people start talking about CFP 2 (will it be an eight team bracket? etc.)


As far as I know, NDSU fans are very happy with the football program. It'd be tough not to be. There is some (small) contingent that want to move up, but most of those don't realize how impossible the situation is at the moment.

Most NDSU fans don't have much to say about the Big Sky. They might know about the 2003 win at Montana. They might know that UND (former in-state rival of NDSU in the DII era) is a member of that conference.

There is a small contingent of NDSU fans who post on the fan message board "Bisonville" and on the national FCS message board "AGS", who consider themselves as speaking for all NDSU alumni nationwide. These people would tell you that the Big Sky is a terrible conference and that NDSU will never consider a move there. That's because said people hate UND (even though they will deny it).

There is no point in NDSU joining the Big Sky unless something happens to the Summit or if the Big Sky has FBS ambitions that would interest NDSU. It is a lateral move right now and a lateral move that would add a lot of expenses with increased travel.

The Summit seems stable and I am not yet buying this FBS Big Sky theory that some talk about, so I don't see anything happening.

(02-01-2015 07:59 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  There is no point in NDSU joining the Big Sky unless something happens to the Summit or if the Big Sky has FBS ambitions that would interest NDSU. It is a lateral move right now and a lateral move that would add a lot of expenses with increased travel.

The Summit seems stable and I am not yet buying this FBS Big Sky theory that some talk about, so I don't see anything happening.

The FBS chances for the Big Sky disappeared when the WAC dropped football. Unless if the Sun Belt or Mountain West gets in some dire straits, most of those schools will be FCS for a long time.

Quite frankly the Summit needs to get its RPI up and sucker-punch the MVC by taking Missouri State , Illinois State, and Wichita State:

ND State/SD State
S Dakota/Omaha
Denver/Wichita State
ORU/Missouri State
WIU/Illinois State
IUPUI/IPFW

The MVC would probably then respond by taking Valparaiso (the lone private school in the Horizon League), Murray State, and Belmont.


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There nothing in this world that would cause Wichita St to move to the Slummit. They probably would like Denver and ORU in the MVC however.

(02-01-2015 07:59 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  There is no point in NDSU joining the Big Sky unless something happens to the Summit or if the Big Sky has FBS ambitions that would interest NDSU. It is a lateral move right now and a lateral move that would add a lot of expenses with increased travel.

The Summit seems stable and I am not yet buying this FBS Big Sky theory that some talk about, so I don't see anything happening.

You are correct, in my opinion.

NDSU (and SDSU) have life made in the Summit, with easy access to NCAA post-season tournaments and pretty much guaranteed to be the highest budgets schools in the league for the sports they participate in.

(02-01-2015 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There nothing in this world that would cause Wichita St to move to the Slummit. They probably would like Denver and ORU in the MVC however.

So you've asked what NDSU fans think about the Big Sky.

My question to you is: what do you have against the Summit? (why do you repeatedly go out of your way to call it the "Slummit"?)

(02-02-2015 02:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There nothing in this world that would cause Wichita St to move to the Slummit. They probably would like Denver and ORU in the MVC however.

So you've asked what NDSU fans think about the Big Sky.

My question to you is: what do you have against the Summit? (why do you repeatedly go out of your way to call it the "Slummit"?)

Why don't you ask NDSU fans about the Big Fluffy?

The Summit Commisioner intentionally misled the voting public about the Sioux name. Granted, the liar who is President of UND did too, and he got the whole cabal of U of Illinois / California alumns who are Presidents to support his cause too (SDSU, Portland St, etc) and to support his intentional web of deception too. So strange that all the Presidents that were militant against scheduling UND all had President that formerly worked in the Illinois system at the same time. The Summit Commish Douple admitted it was just a ruse and he purposefully lied to get UND to drop the nickname, but the ND press than refused to listen to him to protect UNDs President.

The Spirit Lake tribe has spoken repeatedly that the name should have stayed by tribal decree and popular vote. UND is the only school where the NCAA demanded two tribes approve. Standing Rock is mainly in South Dakota, but they were the barrier, even though their chiefs had granted the name to UND in perpetuity in 1967.

(01-30-2015 03:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If NIU builds the 40k stadium, coming off their BCS bowl appearances and seemingly annual MAC championships, then it's possible they could be selected by a "larger" G5 for the Chicago market potential.

12 years is the length of the current CFP contract. I don't think they'll start talking about a new contract until a couple years out. We just got done with year one. So likely an eight or nine year wait until people start talking about CFP 2 (will it be an eight team bracket? etc.)

As far as I know, NDSU fans are very happy with the football program. It'd be tough not to be. There is some (small) contingent that want to move up, but most of those don't realize how impossible the situation is at the moment.

Most NDSU fans don't have much to say about the Big Sky. They might know about the 2003 win at Montana. They might know that UND (former in-state rival of NDSU in the DII era) is a member of that conference.

There is a small contingent of NDSU fans who post on the fan message board "Bisonville" and on the national FCS message board "AGS", who consider themselves as speaking for all NDSU alumni nationwide. These people would tell you that the Big Sky is a terrible conference and that NDSU will never consider a move there. That's because said people hate UND (even though they will deny it).

I hope that NIU can do it. I really do wonder what it would take to get them to leave the MAC.

Do you think that any school to move up wouldn't get a piece until the 12 years is over?

As long as NDSU is happy with the Valley then it's good. NDSU is in a unique position where they have everything but the location for moving up. Both in market size and logistics.

(02-01-2015 09:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The FBS chances for the Big Sky disappeared when the WAC dropped football. Unless if the Sun Belt or Mountain West gets in some dire straits, most of those schools will be FCS for a long time.

Quite frankly the Summit needs to get its RPI up and sucker-punch the MVC by taking Missouri State , Illinois State, and Wichita State:

ND State/SD State
S Dakota/Omaha
Denver/Wichita State
ORU/Missouri State
WIU/Illinois State
IUPUI/IPFW

The MVC would probably then respond by taking Valparaiso (the lone private school in the Horizon League), Murray State, and Belmont.

A Big Sky team needs a miracle or a Mountain West Invite.

The three teams you just mentioned would never leave the MVC for the Summit.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

The three teams you mentioned the MVC possibly taking were talked about when Creighton left before we added Loyola.

(02-02-2015 07:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Why don't you ask NDSU fans about the Big Fluffy?

The Summit Commisioner intentionally misled the voting public about the Sioux name. Granted, the liar who is President of UND did too, and he got the whole cabal of U of Illinois / California alumns who are Presidents to support his cause too (SDSU, Portland St, etc) and to support his intentional web of deception too. So strange that all the Presidents that were militant against scheduling UND all had President that formerly worked in the Illinois system at the same time. The Summit Commish Douple admitted it was just a ruse and he purposefully lied to get UND to drop the nickname, but the ND press than refused to listen to him to protect UNDs President.

The Spirit Lake tribe has spoken repeatedly that the name should have stayed by tribal decree and popular vote. UND is the only school where the NCAA demanded two tribes approve. Standing Rock is mainly in South Dakota, but they were the barrier, even though their chiefs had granted the name to UND in perpetuity in 1967.

So it sounds like the entire plan (to kill the Sioux nickname) was hatched by current UND president Kelley, including asking Douple to do him a favor (to get his plan really moving)?

Then why are you mad at the Summit?

(02-03-2015 08:25 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  I hope that NIU can do it. I really do wonder what it would take to get them to leave the MAC.

Do you think that any school to move up wouldn't get a piece until the 12 years is over?

As long as NDSU is happy with the Valley then it's good. NDSU is in a unique position where they have everything but the location for moving up. Both in market size and logistics.

The 12-year contract gives each of the G5 conferences (Sun Belt, MWC, MAC, CUSA and AAC) $1million/per team up to a maximum of 12 teams.

So if the FCS move up team brings a G5 conference to less than or equal 12 members, they should expect to receive the full $1million per year.


I can't see where NDSU would be upset so long as the MVFC includes SDSU, UNI and other midwest schools.