(01-08-2015 10:58 PM)tigers1985 Wrote: The hits to my psyche keep on coming tonight. Whatever. Someday there will be another Keith Lee equivalent. I may have to wait a couple decades. (I don't ever expect to see another Penny on my lifetime.) But I will be here when it happens. We will see another final four one day.
our penny signed with U of K a few weeks ago
I saw Skal a couple of times. Not in the same breath. Not even close.
(01-08-2015 10:53 PM)80sTiger Wrote: John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 8m8 minutes ago
@geoff_calkins What's overinflated is that there are people who believe firing Pastner will result in Gregg Marshall or Buzz.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 7m7 minutes ago
@JohnMartin929 @geoff_calkins Mike White, Ron Hunter or Damon Stoudamire. There’s your candidate pool.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 26m26 minutes ago
But I’ll say this to Memphis fans: If/when there is a change, the replacement possibilities will not be what you hope they will be.
Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
A lot of BFS here.
No, he wouldn't. Plus, we could find better for cheaper. Use your head,
I think Buzz would listen, but if you have better for cheaper, I'm listening. Who you thinking?
I've got a list, too late at night to go through all of it.
Bruce Pearl
Brad Underwood
Fred Hoiberg
Chris Mack (stretch)
Ben Jacobsen
I can go on for a while, but these guys get calls from the AD at least.
I personally am not sold on Underwood and don't think Hoiberg leaves his alma mater.
I like Pearl. I call him.
I like Chris Mack. I'd consider calling him.
Ben Jacobson has had some success. Worth chatting with.
Don't think any of them (except Pearl) would be better than Buzz, but could live with all of them if need be.
(01-08-2015 10:55 PM)450bench Wrote: If people other than us goons are talking about a candidate pool, then you can bet there's serious talk.
Yeah, that might be true. When the public writers are starting to talk names, the seat is no longer hot, but in flames...
(01-08-2015 10:57 PM)beanburrito Wrote: Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
If at Marquette, no. But at VT? I'm inclined to believe you.
(01-08-2015 10:59 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: I actually like Ron Hunter (and his son) a lot. He's one of those guys I've been referring to - handcuffed by current situation, w]could thrive with a big program behind him. Same goes for Mike White. Neither would be bad hires.
I say no on Stoudemire, even though I like him...can't afford to go that route again. Not at Memphis!
If Buzz, Pearl, Martin all decline (along w the big names like Shaka and Marshall) Wolken could be right. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but what Stammers, myself, and others have been saying would be a reality...no wow hires!
A wow hire is a great coach who wins games, not one who is a wow name. If it comes to replacing Pastner (sigh), Buzz would be a great call, and I would call Shaka (no) and possibly Marshall (no).
I'd call Avery Johnson (likely no), and I'd call Pearl (?).
But if not, Mike White, Damon, and Ron Hunter would all be worthy names.
It is what it is.
Ron Hunter
- 20 years as a head coach
- ONE NCAA tournament game
- Best job, Georgia State
Mike White
- 4 years as a head coach
- ZERO NCAA tournament games
- Best job, Louisiana Tech
Damon Stoudamire
- ZERO years as a head coach
The miserables who say we are a top 15 program that can attract a great coach, where anyone can win, are going to get a very sobering does of reality.
There are betters out there but any of the coaches above are better than living in this nightmare
You think any of them are an even bet to get us to the tournament in 4 of their first 5 years?
Seriously how would Wolken or anybody for that matter know who would be interested and who wouldn't.. What, has he asked them? If so do you really think they are going to say Yea I'd be interested?? Right now he could ask anyone that has a Job and they will all say no!! Money talks in this business and I don't care who you are, that's a fact!! Right now I doubt anybody knows squat.. Wolken and all the Media or Radio people are just guessing what they think might happen!! Nothing more nothing less!!
(01-08-2015 10:53 PM)80sTiger Wrote: John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 8m8 minutes ago
@geoff_calkins What's overinflated is that there are people who believe firing Pastner will result in Gregg Marshall or Buzz.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 7m7 minutes ago
@JohnMartin929 @geoff_calkins Mike White, Ron Hunter or Damon Stoudamire. There’s your candidate pool.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 26m26 minutes ago
But I’ll say this to Memphis fans: If/when there is a change, the replacement possibilities will not be what you hope they will be.
Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
A lot of BFS here.
No, he wouldn't. Plus, we could find better for cheaper. Use your head,
We are not in a buy cheap mode.
Buzz left Marquette for non basketball reasons.
He didn't go to Va Tech because of the possibilities, he wanted out.
Our $$ are better and we can win a championship here.
Bean! One of the best ever here! Where you been my man?
Disappointed for sure. Love your posts on JP.
I'm eating lunch with one of the $$ next week.
I'm pretty sure their thoughts about JP haven't changed.
The $5 mil buyout is a real number.
(01-08-2015 11:01 PM)beanburrito Wrote: Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
A lot of BFS here.
No, he wouldn't. Plus, we could find better for cheaper. Use your head,
We are not in a buy cheap mode.
Buzz left Marquette for non basketball reasons.
He didn't go to Va Tech because of the possibilities, he wanted out.
Our $$ are better and we can win a championship here.
Bean! One of the best ever here! Where you been my man?
Disappointed for sure. Love your posts on JP.
I'm eating lunch with one of the $$ next week.
I'm pretty sure their thoughts about JP haven't changed.
The $5 mil buyout is a real number.
Miss you at the games...I think the beginning of the end is upon us
(01-08-2015 10:55 PM)450bench Wrote: If people other than us goons are talking about a candidate pool, then you can bet there's serious talk.
Yeah, that might be true. When the public writers are starting to talk names, the seat is no longer hot, but in flames...
(01-08-2015 10:57 PM)beanburrito Wrote: Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
If at Marquette, no. But at VT? I'm inclined to believe you.
(01-08-2015 10:59 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: I actually like Ron Hunter (and his son) a lot. He's one of those guys I've been referring to - handcuffed by current situation, w]could thrive with a big program behind him. Same goes for Mike White. Neither would be bad hires.
I say no on Stoudemire, even though I like him...can't afford to go that route again. Not at Memphis!
If Buzz, Pearl, Martin all decline (along w the big names like Shaka and Marshall) Wolken could be right. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but what Stammers, myself, and others have been saying would be a reality...no wow hires!
A wow hire is a great coach who wins games, not one who is a wow name. If it comes to replacing Pastner (sigh), Buzz would be a great call, and I would call Shaka (no) and possibly Marshall (no).
I'd call Avery Johnson (likely no), and I'd call Pearl (?).
But if not, Mike White, Damon, and Ron Hunter would all be worthy names.
It is what it is.
Ron Hunter
- 20 years as a head coach
- ONE NCAA tournament game
- Best job, Georgia State
Mike White
- 4 years as a head coach
- ZERO NCAA tournament games
- Best job, Louisiana Tech
Damon Stoudamire
- ZERO years as a head coach
The miserables who say we are a top 15 program that can attract a great coach, where anyone can win, are going to get a very sobering does of reality.
Why would you hope for a s h i t t y replacement for Pastner?
He's gone and you should be rooting for a great hire.
I get that you like Pastner; that's fine. But now that it's pretty clear he's gone root for a big time hire not an "I told ya so" hire.
(01-08-2015 11:28 PM)tigergg Wrote: Seriously how would Wolken or anybody for that matter know who would be interested and who wouldn't.. What, has he asked them? If so do you really think they are going to say Yea I'd be interested?? Right now he could ask anyone that has a Job and they will all say no!! Money talks in this business and I don't care who you are, that's a fact!! Right now I doubt anybody knows squat.. Wolken and all the Media or Radio people are just guessing what they think might happen!! Nothing more nothing less!!
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He would know because talk is going around in those circles about all of this. Don't you find it curious as to why Damon was mentioned, lol? Folks are talking and jockeying already, in case something happens.
I am against getting rid of Coach Pastner, but if that's the direction we went, it would be without knowing who his replacement was. Much like when we fired Coach Porter, we would have a search committee which would narrow it down to the best couple options. For some reason that seems scarier in basketball, but you fire the coach because you don't like the overall direction of the program, not because of the next coach you think you can get. I will also say that our last search committee netted us Coach Fuente and a very close second in Coach McElwain, both who have been proven to be good choices. If a search committee gave us two choices like that I don't think anyone would be upset.
(01-08-2015 10:55 PM)450bench Wrote: If people other than us goons are talking about a candidate pool, then you can bet there's serious talk.
Yeah, that might be true. When the public writers are starting to talk names, the seat is no longer hot, but in flames...
(01-08-2015 10:57 PM)beanburrito Wrote: Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
If at Marquette, no. But at VT? I'm inclined to believe you.
(01-08-2015 10:59 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: I actually like Ron Hunter (and his son) a lot. He's one of those guys I've been referring to - handcuffed by current situation, w]could thrive with a big program behind him. Same goes for Mike White. Neither would be bad hires.
I say no on Stoudemire, even though I like him...can't afford to go that route again. Not at Memphis!
If Buzz, Pearl, Martin all decline (along w the big names like Shaka and Marshall) Wolken could be right. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but what Stammers, myself, and others have been saying would be a reality...no wow hires!
A wow hire is a great coach who wins games, not one who is a wow name. If it comes to replacing Pastner (sigh), Buzz would be a great call, and I would call Shaka (no) and possibly Marshall (no).
I'd call Avery Johnson (likely no), and I'd call Pearl (?).
But if not, Mike White, Damon, and Ron Hunter would all be worthy names.
It is what it is.
Ron Hunter
- 20 years as a head coach
- ONE NCAA tournament game
- Best job, Georgia State
Mike White
- 4 years as a head coach
- ZERO NCAA tournament games
- Best job, Louisiana Tech
Damon Stoudamire
- ZERO years as a head coach
The miserables who say we are a top 15 program that can attract a great coach, where anyone can win, are going to get a very sobering does of reality.
There are betters out there but any of the coaches above are better than living in this nightmare
You think any of them are an even bet to get us to the tournament in 4 of their first 5 years?
None of them will be the next coach. That's just the Hobbit making a little noise and jabbing at Memphis fans. He has X and his former job as our beat writer when we were a national power to thank for his current position. Nice to see he remembers where he came from.
(01-08-2015 10:55 PM)450bench Wrote: If people other than us goons are talking about a candidate pool, then you can bet there's serious talk.
Yeah, that might be true. When the public writers are starting to talk names, the seat is no longer hot, but in flames...
(01-08-2015 10:57 PM)beanburrito Wrote: Buzz would take the first flight here and take the job. Get real.
If at Marquette, no. But at VT? I'm inclined to believe you.
(01-08-2015 10:59 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: I actually like Ron Hunter (and his son) a lot. He's one of those guys I've been referring to - handcuffed by current situation, w]could thrive with a big program behind him. Same goes for Mike White. Neither would be bad hires.
I say no on Stoudemire, even though I like him...can't afford to go that route again. Not at Memphis!
If Buzz, Pearl, Martin all decline (along w the big names like Shaka and Marshall) Wolken could be right. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but what Stammers, myself, and others have been saying would be a reality...no wow hires!
A wow hire is a great coach who wins games, not one who is a wow name. If it comes to replacing Pastner (sigh), Buzz would be a great call, and I would call Shaka (no) and possibly Marshall (no).
I'd call Avery Johnson (likely no), and I'd call Pearl (?).
But if not, Mike White, Damon, and Ron Hunter would all be worthy names.
It is what it is.
Ron Hunter
- 20 years as a head coach
- ONE NCAA tournament game
- Best job, Georgia State
Mike White
- 4 years as a head coach
- ZERO NCAA tournament games
- Best job, Louisiana Tech
Damon Stoudamire
- ZERO years as a head coach
The miserables who say we are a top 15 program that can attract a great coach, where anyone can win, are going to get a very sobering does of reality.
Why would you hope for a s h i t t y replacement for Pastner?
He's gone and you should be rooting for a great hire.
I get that you like Pastner; that's fine. But now that it's pretty clear he's gone root for a big time hire not an "I told ya so" hire.
I doubt he's rooting for a bad replacement. He's just telling it like it is...
If Pearl, Martin & Buzz say no thanks...we probably hire someone with a resume similar to Pastner's. Doesn't mean said coach wouldn't be better HERE, but it may not be a "wow hire"...which is what Stammers has been saying.
(01-08-2015 11:28 PM)tigergg Wrote: Seriously how would Wolken or anybody for that matter know who would be interested and who wouldn't.. What, has he asked them? If so do you really think they are going to say Yea I'd be interested?? Right now he could ask anyone that has a Job and they will all say no!! Money talks in this business and I don't care who you are, that's a fact!! Right now I doubt anybody knows squat.. Wolken and all the Media or Radio people are just guessing what they think might happen!! Nothing more nothing less!!
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Seriously? If he isn't throwing out specific names, he is throwing out the specific types that would be interested. Missouri hired Frank f*****g Haith. NC State hired Mark Gottfried. Seth Greenberg got hired at an ACC school after the USF dumpster fire.
If the situation wasn't so crappy it would be hilarious. The same bunch of you who are so thrilled when Wolken, GP and others are critical of Pastner, are now claiming that they don't know what they are talking about.
(01-08-2015 11:29 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: Its simple.
Wolken and Pastner are good friends. Started when Partner was an assistant.
This is nothing more than a scare tactic Tweet to protect his boy.
Similar to Calkins' article on Drew.
Good to hear. Actually great to hear. My mind has been a little rattled tonight. When I saw the resumes listed I thought, that can't be the best we can manage.
(01-08-2015 11:28 PM)tigergg Wrote: Seriously how would Wolken or anybody for that matter know who would be interested and who wouldn't.. What, has he asked them? If so do you really think they are going to say Yea I'd be interested?? Right now he could ask anyone that has a Job and they will all say no!! Money talks in this business and I don't care who you are, that's a fact!! Right now I doubt anybody knows squat.. Wolken and all the Media or Radio people are just guessing what they think might happen!! Nothing more nothing less!!
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Exactly. Money talks and the memphis job pays a hell of a lot more than a lot of big name places. If you can double or triple your salary as a coach and walk into a situation where you're following a complete failure like JP, it's a win-win situation. I truly believe pearl would take the job in a heartbeat and would likely bring all his recruits along with him. At the rate JP is going there will be plenty of roster spots available.
There sure is a lot of Wolken bashing for a statement that could be pretty accurate. I still think we call all the names we keep hearing, but if they say no (and none of us know for sure if they will or not), Wolken will probably be right.
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Memphis "Candidate Pool" according to Wolken.
