(12-17-2014 10:04 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  in terms of working out ==> our generation does that like none other before.

In terms of health habits ==> again healthy food choices/options are unlike previous generations

even though we are seeing an increase in E-Cigs there has been a longstanding major decrease in cigarettes long before that. They at least half of what they were for previous generations. you are talking about one small increase in a tiny sector of an industry that is overall going down.

and again smokeless products > smoke products and a big reason why the E-Cigs are growing is because it is a very new product that opposition forces haven't had a real chance to fight.

I suppose the fat acceptance movement is one of my fevered imagination.

I'm not arguing about the decrease of cigarettes because did that happened. But a campaign shouldn't need to shift focus in order for people to acknowledge that consuming tobacco on a regular basis will have negative consequences to your health. It does matter if you smoke, vape or dip.

I only care insomuch as the mid life medical costs that will be associated with the use of tobacco when the nation is trying to deal with a quasi-universal health care system.

Don't forget about the overuse of steroids... Every skinny kid I know is all pumped up and ballooned out the next time I see them it seems like. Saw a bulky guy at the gym the other night, wearing his muscle shirt and staring at himself in the mirror (of course), and I noticed the dude did butterflies and pull downs with the same weight I use. The entire gym could hear him grunt and growl. I'm not even in that great of shape right now because I just started working out again, clearly he's just pumping shiit in his veins.

(12-17-2014 10:04 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  in terms of working out ==> our generation does that like none other before.

In terms of health habits ==> again healthy food choices/options are unlike previous generations

even though we are seeing an increase in E-Cigs there has been a longstanding major decrease in cigarettes long before that. They at least half of what they were for previous generations. you are talking about one small increase in a tiny sector of an industry that is overall going down.

and again smokeless products > smoke products and a big reason why the E-Cigs are growing is because it is a very new product that opposition forces haven't had a real chance to fight.

I suppose the fat acceptance movement is one of my fevered imagination.

I'm not arguing about the decrease of cigarettes because did that happened. But a campaign shouldn't need to shift focus in order for people to acknowledge that consuming tobacco on a regular basis will have negative consequences to your health. It does matter if you smoke, vape or dip.

I only care insomuch as the mid life medical costs that will be associated with the use of tobacco when the nation is trying to deal with a quasi-universal health care system.

it's not so much the campaign shifting focus but a radical market disturbance that is very hard to adjust to. The anti-smoking movement suffered a crushing blow with E-Cigs. They were not immune to traditional anti smoking laws and only recently started getting kicked out of bars & such. They also follow different guidelines in regards to advertising and don't have the same limitations as regular cigarettes.

it took decades to perfect the anti smoking campaign, while E-Cigs are tobacco they are a completely different animal with a public perception that is much different than traditional cigarettes. you can't combat that on a product that has billions behind it, and has been on the market for only a few years.

(12-17-2014 09:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

some do. granted its a smaller % than other drugs, but that's a major myth that needs to die.

So wait a minute, what was our whole argument about choosing jail time or rehab after being busted for marijuana then?

yeah, i was going to say that the person you're sending to rehab most likely is going to be some kid just buying weed. a person needing rehabilitation for habitual marijuana consumption imo is someone who realizes that weed is making them less productive and voluntarily checks in as opposed to being forced to. i'd wager most pot smokers lead functional lives and the stoners probably don't see a problem. again imo, if someone who wants to change their life by not smoking pot, will, stop smoking pot

(12-17-2014 10:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  sorry but it's not that hard to understand why we butt heads. I focus on legitimate sources of information. you focus on "experience" that is 100% unverifiable and of all the different "experience" you choose to listen to, you opt for the "experience" that agree with your political views not the "experience" the agrees with science & logic.

I mean seriously, you are calling me out on "experience" and yet you have known me twice as long as ER and you know the city I have lived in for the last couple of years and its reputation for being a 420 hotspot. if you are gonna play the "experience" card then you just made a pretty big @$$ of yourself.

Ok, tell ya what... If you ever get plowed in the butt by another dude, I'll poll 75 out of 100 gay men and when the poll tells me it's not painful, I'll make sure your experience counts for nothing and you're just full of it, no pun intended.

My experience tells me that white people aren't racist, but the media will act like they are all day long. I don't believe that either. We all have our own opinions based on our region.

(12-17-2014 10:09 AM)john01992 Wrote:  your link is early drug users who use it are at a disadvantage. That is true for every single drug out there including alcohol.

Well than what the F are you arguing against exactly? That has been my point since my first post this morning.

(12-17-2014 10:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 03:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not concerned with marijuana use.

That isn't to say I don't think it is immature and stupid for most people out there.

Pot heads are still losers, legal or otherwise.

so are people that use alcohol and nicotine abusers and people that go to church for the wrong reason and people that vote and people that drive recklessly and people that fly the confederate flag and people that protest violently and people that run the government and people that allow the media to run their life and people that pick their nose and people that live in trailers and people and people and people and people

one silly opinion deserves a similar silly one in response....

other than john, you guys are clueless when it comes to the benefits of legalizing marijuana and industrialized hemp....the real tragedy is how and why it was made illegal in the first place....

Quote:your stance was that it was impossible for people to "use it in moderation" under the pretense of "what you saw in HS"

When did I say or imply that? You are making schit up. I clearly denoted the high school group as "pot heads", ie NOT in "moderation".

(12-17-2014 10:22 AM)john01992 Wrote:  it's not so much the campaign shifting focus but a radical market disturbance that is very hard to adjust to. The anti-smoking movement suffered a crushing blow with E-Cigs. They were not immune to traditional anti smoking laws and only recently started getting kicked out of bars & such. They also follow different guidelines in regards to advertising and don't have the same limitations as regular cigarettes.

it took decades to perfect the anti smoking campaign, while E-Cigs are tobacco they are a completely different animal with a public perception that is much different than traditional cigarettes. you can't combat that on a product that has billions behind it, and has been on the market for only a few years.

Or maybe it's just that people are dying to consume tobacco for incomprehensible reasons. I don't profess to know why. Just like the synthetic weed derivatives, people just like it.

(12-17-2014 10:27 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

some do. granted its a smaller % than other drugs, but that's a major myth that needs to die.

So wait a minute, what was our whole argument about choosing jail time or rehab after being busted for marijuana then?

yeah, i was going to say that the person you're sending to rehab most likely is going to be some kid just buying weed. a person needing rehabilitation for habitual marijuana consumption imo is someone who realizes that weed is making them less productive and voluntarily checks in as opposed to being forced to. i'd wager most pot smokers lead functional lives and the stoners probably don't see a problem. again imo, if someone who wants to change their life by not smoking pot, will, stop smoking pot

I completely agree. I smoked every day from 14 to 34 and just before I turned 35, I didn't feel like smoking anymore. I put them down and haven't smoked one since. No patches, no pills, no medicine, just cold turkey. Still have the emergency pack of Marlboro Lights with two extremely old cigarettes in it. I do have a vapor cig, but it was a gift given to me about 6 months after I quit, so I puff on it here and there.

(12-17-2014 10:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:your stance was that it was impossible for people to "use it in moderation" under the pretense of "what you saw in HS"

When did I say or imply that? You are making schit up. I clearly denoted the high school group as "pot heads", ie NOT in "moderation".

you 100% did imply that. In one of vandivers posts that responded to, you specifically highlighted this phrase:

Quote:Again, I would love to know the people were capable of using drugs in moderation.

-van

and here was your response:

Quote:There aren't many. Out of all the pot heads I grew up with in high school, maybe one or two that still use didn't turn out to be a total loser.

you either misspoke or you meant to imply all weed smokers are like that. if you meant to say you were only talking about high schoolers, say so. but you clearly didn't in that post. Personally I think this is just a massive backtrack on your part, but either way I will take the win.

(12-17-2014 10:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:22 AM)john01992 Wrote:  it's not so much the campaign shifting focus but a radical market disturbance that is very hard to adjust to. The anti-smoking movement suffered a crushing blow with E-Cigs. They were not immune to traditional anti smoking laws and only recently started getting kicked out of bars & such. They also follow different guidelines in regards to advertising and don't have the same limitations as regular cigarettes.

it took decades to perfect the anti smoking campaign, while E-Cigs are tobacco they are a completely different animal with a public perception that is much different than traditional cigarettes. you can't combat that on a product that has billions behind it, and has been on the market for only a few years.

Or maybe it's just that people are dying to consume tobacco for incomprehensible reasons. I don't profess to know why. Just like the synthetic weed derivatives, people just like it.

young people think they are invincible. there's a reason they advertise to people under 25 and rarely focus on other age groups.

(12-17-2014 11:53 AM)john01992 Wrote:  you either misspoke or you meant to imply all weed smokers are like that. if you meant to say you were only talking about high schoolers, say so. but you clearly didn't in that post. Personally I think this is just a massive backtrack on your part, but either way I will take the win.

That's because your generation has been taught to think that even when you lose, you win.

(12-17-2014 12:01 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:53 AM)john01992 Wrote:  you either misspoke or you meant to imply all weed smokers are like that. if you meant to say you were only talking about high schoolers, say so. but you clearly didn't in that post. Personally I think this is just a massive backtrack on your part, but either way I will take the win.

That's because your generation has been taught to think that even when you lose, you win.

one day you are gonna wake up from that fog you are in....and reality is gonna be a tough pill to swallow.

seriously your talking points these days have nothing to do with evidence, logic, facts, merit etc. but this insane notion that you are always right, millennials are always wrong.

Quote:you either misspoke or you meant to imply all weed smokers are like that. if you meant to say you were only talking about high schoolers, say so. but you clearly didn't in that post. Personally I think this is just a massive backtrack on your part, but either way I will take the win.

I didn't misspeak. This thread is about teen marijuana use. You are the one who keeps changing the subject. From here on out, in this thread, you can assume I am talking about teens unless I say otherwise.

(12-17-2014 12:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  one day you are gonna wake up from that fog you are in....and reality is gonna be a tough pill to swallow.

seriously your talking points these days have nothing to do with evidence, logic, facts, merit etc. but this insane notion that you are always right, millennials are always wrong.

Blame your generation... You might be different, but most of them think they're always right, and most of them grew up getting what they didn't earn.

You keep talking about this fog I'm in, however, that fog cleared out years ago when you weren't even in High School yet.

(12-17-2014 12:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:you either misspoke or you meant to imply all weed smokers are like that. if you meant to say you were only talking about high schoolers, say so. but you clearly didn't in that post. Personally I think this is just a massive backtrack on your part, but either way I will take the win.

I didn't misspeak. This thread is about teen marijuana use. You are the one who keeps changing the subject. From here on out, in this thread, you can assume I am talking about teens unless I say otherwise.

lame excuse dude. try again.

is it really that hard to say you misspoke or weren't clear enough?

seriously threads rarely follow the OP topic exactly. not a whole lot of difference between teen smoking verse general smoking of all ages. most threads in the spin room get further off topic than that.

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

I was a heavy Cannabis and Tobacco smoker for much of my early life. I quit both of them with relative ease...especially Cannabis. I quit Cannabis cold turkey....I weened myself off Tobacco within a couple of weeks. I tried earlier to quit cold Tobacco cold turkey and got horrible headaches.

Everyone is different. I have had friends quit with no problems and those that had horrible withdraw from Tobacco...(night sweats, headaches and panic attacks). I can't recall any serious withdraw from Cannabis that I have heard of. It is reported that Cannabis can have some minor withdrawn symptoms..but..not as pronounced as Tobacco withdraw.

(12-17-2014 12:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

I was a heavy Cannabis and Tobacco smoker for much of my early life. I quit both of them with relative ease...especially Cannabis. I quit Cannabis cold turkey....I weened myself off Tobacco within a couple of weeks. I tried earlier to quit cold Tobacco cold turkey and got horrible headaches.

Everyone is different. I have had friends quit with no problems and those that had horrible withdraw from Tobacco...(night sweats, headaches and panic attacks). I can't recall any serious withdraw from Cannabis that I have heard of. It is reported that Cannabis can have some minor withdrawn symptoms..but..not as pronounced as Tobacco withdraw.

that's been the situation with a few of my friends. just didn't need it anymore for a variety of reasons. i quit smoking cigarettes about a year and a half ago and i dream about smoking almost every night. i do vape and i could go without it, but i enjoy smoking and it's helped me not even think about smoking a cigarette (outside of in dreams). i feel like a complete poseur at bars, but that's a small trade off, especially for my lady

(12-17-2014 12:57 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

I was a heavy Cannabis and Tobacco smoker for much of my early life. I quit both of them with relative ease...especially Cannabis. I quit Cannabis cold turkey....I weened myself off Tobacco within a couple of weeks. I tried earlier to quit cold Tobacco cold turkey and got horrible headaches.

Everyone is different. I have had friends quit with no problems and those that had horrible withdraw from Tobacco...(night sweats, headaches and panic attacks). I can't recall any serious withdraw from Cannabis that I have heard of. It is reported that Cannabis can have some minor withdrawn symptoms..but..not as pronounced as Tobacco withdraw.

that's been the situation with a few of my friends. just didn't need it anymore for a variety of reasons. i quit smoking cigarettes about a year and a half ago and i dream about smoking almost every night. i do vape and i could go without it, but i enjoy smoking and it's helped me not even think about smoking a cigarette (outside of in dreams). i feel like a complete poseur at bars, but that's a small trade off, especially for my lady

Hey that's why I stopped smoking. My GF didn't like the smell of it. She never asked me to quit, and out of respect for not pestering me for an entire year, I decided to stop. I never tell people I quit, I just say I stopped, because if I'm ever out for drinks or something, and outside during one of those few days that it feels too good to be inside, I might want to puff one back, and I could without the urge to smoke another. I, too, enjoy my vapor. Pomegranate and Strawberry are my two favorites. I tried Camel tobacco flavor once and nearly threw up. It smells just like, and tastes just like the cigarette smells, before you light up. BLEGH.

(12-17-2014 04:58 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:57 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 12:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  people don't need rehab for smoking pot

I was a heavy Cannabis and Tobacco smoker for much of my early life. I quit both of them with relative ease...especially Cannabis. I quit Cannabis cold turkey....I weened myself off Tobacco within a couple of weeks. I tried earlier to quit cold Tobacco cold turkey and got horrible headaches.

Everyone is different. I have had friends quit with no problems and those that had horrible withdraw from Tobacco...(night sweats, headaches and panic attacks). I can't recall any serious withdraw from Cannabis that I have heard of. It is reported that Cannabis can have some minor withdrawn symptoms..but..not as pronounced as Tobacco withdraw.

that's been the situation with a few of my friends. just didn't need it anymore for a variety of reasons. i quit smoking cigarettes about a year and a half ago and i dream about smoking almost every night. i do vape and i could go without it, but i enjoy smoking and it's helped me not even think about smoking a cigarette (outside of in dreams). i feel like a complete poseur at bars, but that's a small trade off, especially for my lady

Hey that's why I stopped smoking. My GF didn't like the smell of it. She never asked me to quit, and out of respect for not pestering me for an entire year, I decided to stop. I never tell people I quit, I just say I stopped, because if I'm ever out for drinks or something, and outside during one of those few days that it feels too good to be inside, I might want to puff one back, and I could without the urge to smoke another. I, too, enjoy my vapor. Pomegranate and Strawberry are my two favorites. I tried Camel tobacco flavor once and nearly threw up. It smells just like, and tastes just like the cigarette smells, before you light up. BLEGH.

Tobacco smoking is one of the nastiest habits ever. You don't realize how bad you stinked until you get around a heavy smoker after you quit.