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(04-21-2016 12:59 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

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(04-21-2016 12:22 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 11:40 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 11:34 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  I've watched tons of streams of non-ODU games, usually through ESPN3 or ASN. It helps though that I don't have cable, so any game that I can't pick up via an antenna I stream. So I can't really 'flip channels' per say, but what I do is that I'll see what games are on, see if any interest me, and see if I can watch it.

But were those games from higher level conferences? I don't think fans of any P5 or even other mid major levels are going to pick a C-USA game to stream when there are other options.

I'm sorry but weren't we told that national exposure was one of the great benefits of joining this far-flung misadventure? What has happened to that? Being able to tell the parents of kids you are trying to recruit that they will be able to see their sons or daughters on national TV is a great recruiting tool. A huge loss in television revenue, unbelievable travel costs, basketball is one bid, day by day I'm realizing this was a huge mistake.

I wouldn't go that far. Would you prefer being stuck in the current CAA? If not, what other option would you entertain?

This. Some of you need to move on and accept where we are. The CAA is NOT what is used to be, and we should all be glad we got out when we did. Not to mention if we hadnt made the jump to FBS at this point, it most likely wouldnt be happening anytime in the near future.

CUSA is not what it used to be either. The CAA was a much better basketball conference last season. Not even close. I don't think that will usually be the case, but lets stop pretending we took a big step up. I used to believe that, but am now seeing the light. ODU football would be in the hunt for 1st in the CAA now and thats how it was before too. Those who say the CAA isn't what it once was are right, but neither is CUSA and it has dropped much farther. If we don't get into the AAC in the next 5 seasons or so, I'm not sure if we will bounce back. Thats where a program like ODU deserves to be logically, financially, geographically and perceptually.

(04-21-2016 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:59 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:50 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:22 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 11:40 AM)odu09 Wrote:  But were those games from higher level conferences? I don't think fans of any P5 or even other mid major levels are going to pick a C-USA game to stream when there are other options.

I'm sorry but weren't we told that national exposure was one of the great benefits of joining this far-flung misadventure? What has happened to that? Being able to tell the parents of kids you are trying to recruit that they will be able to see their sons or daughters on national TV is a great recruiting tool. A huge loss in television revenue, unbelievable travel costs, basketball is one bid, day by day I'm realizing this was a huge mistake.

I wouldn't go that far. Would you prefer being stuck in the current CAA? If not, what other option would you entertain?

This. Some of you need to move on and accept where we are. The CAA is NOT what is used to be, and we should all be glad we got out when we did. Not to mention if we hadnt made the jump to FBS at this point, it most likely wouldnt be happening anytime in the near future.

CUSA is not what it used to be either. The CAA was a much better basketball conference last season. Not even close. I don't think that will usually be the case, but lets stop pretending we took a big step up. I used to believe that, but am now seeing the light. ODU football would be in the hunt for 1st in the CAA now and thats how it was before too. Those who say the CAA isn't what it once was are right, but neither is CUSA and it has dropped much farther. If we don't get into the AAC in the next 5 seasons or so, I'm not sure if we will bounce back. Thats where a program like ODU deserves to be logically, financially, geographically and perceptually.

CUSA only makes sense if viewed as a stepping stone. We would have never gone from CAA FCS to AAC FBS. Had to have an intermediate stop along the way. I agree our current situation is less than ideal, but I firmly believe it's temporary. Maybe sometimes you have to take a step back in order to take 2 steps forward.

Most here would love to be in the AAC. If so, we're currently on the best possible path to get there. There is no path from CAA to the AAC, and likely no more paths from CAA to CUSA. I'm glad we're here...

(04-21-2016 01:40 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Most here would love to be in the AAC. If so, we're currently on the best possible path to get there. There is no path from CAA to the AAC, and likely no more paths from CAA to CUSA. I'm glad we're here...

Correct. In order to move up to FBS we had to do this, and basketball was going to get a downgrade. Now if only we had the option to stay in CAA football and move to A10 in basketball, I would be all for that. However, schools like VCU with no football will never get higher than A10 (Big East is private schools only and all the other higher conferences require FBS football), while we still have the POTENTIAL to go higher. I think we can all agree we want to get there asap, but we have to maintain patience.

Sorry to bring those goats from rva into this, but it's something I've thought about recently. They are definitely on an elevated level compared to us right now, but being the #1 team in the A10 is the highest they can ever achieve. At least we still have hopes of leapfrogging into a better conference someday.

while this season CUSA was not as good as CAA in hoops, it won't always be...Personally I'm glad we aren't in the CAA for football anymore. I would love to be in the AAC, but I don't have a strong feeling that's where we're headed anytime soon and if we do ever get there it'll be all shuffled around as a lot of the teams in it that make it a good conference will be in other conferences and it'll be a lot more like it is now with CUSA than anything else....regardless, I'm still happy with CUSA FB over CAA FB and the basketball is a wash and will be a wash most years.

The great and powerful CAA was 0-3 in postseason tournaments this year. So that tells you how overrated RPI is. And how overrated the CAA was. I think the CAA has only won 1 postseason game the last two or three years. As a matter of fact ODU from the lowly CUSA has won more postseason games the last two years as the whole CAA has the last 4 years.

The top 5 in CUSA would finish top 5 CAA. Period.

Ok I didn't check the CIT. maybe the schmucks in the Colonial may have won a game this year.

The RPI in Cusa has been dreadful because the league is soo big and the bottom 6 or 7 teams have been aweful. Especially out of conference. The CAA only had like 2 bad teams this year and a bunch of pretty good squads. But the top of CUSA is absolutely better than the top of the CAA. I don't care what the RPI says. If u argue the other way on this then u obviously don't watch the games. Cusa has beaten Michigan State and Iowa State in the last two NCAA tournaments. And ODU has been to the NIT final four and won the Vegas tournament. That's all the proof u need.

(04-21-2016 04:38 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  The great and powerful CAA was 0-3 in postseason tournaments this year. So that tells you how overrated RPI is. And how overrated the CAA was. I think the CAA has only won 1 postseason game the last two or three years. As a matter of fact ODU from the lowly CUSA has won more postseason games the last two years as the whole CAA has the last 4 years.

The top 5 in CUSA would finish top 5 CAA. Period.

Ok I didn't check the CIT. maybe the schmucks in the Colonial may have won a game this year.

Uh no it tells you how the caa did in 3 games. That's it.

The caa was better based on a large preponderance of evidence.

No mental gymnastics or small sample size evidence will change this.

Although, the difference between the two conferences was fairly insignificant, all things considered.

Small sample size? These are supposed to be the best teams in the conference and go winless.

Small sample size? How about every year for the past four years? They don't win in March. That conference can't beat snot in March. Big deal they win in November and December. It can't win when it counts.

It counts in November and December, which is why CUSA has been a 1 bid league (with a 15 seed) and the regular season champ got a 7 seed in the NIT.

(04-22-2016 07:06 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  It counts in November and December, which is why CUSA has been a 1 bid league (with a 15 seed) and the regular season champ got a 7 seed in the NIT.

Yes, and for two consecutive years CUSA has done a LOT in the postseason despite dreadfully low seedings (based almost entirely on games played in November and December).

Can we please get this thread back on topic? I am clicking here expecting to see recruiting news and see the same old argument. Please give it a rest....it is tired. Mods?

(04-22-2016 07:40 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Can we please get this thread back on topic? I am clicking here expecting to see recruiting news and see the same old argument. Please give it a rest....it is tired. Mods?

Sounds good to me. I suppose this is my fault - I put that Wood Selig interview in this thread. Next time I'll just start a new thread. My apologies - I'm new around here but I'll get better!

So back to the recruiting. When I saw we had so many offers out to high schoolers it got me to wondering. Does this mean we aren't in the running for those Martin twins from NC State or more then likely, we have been involved with these high schoolers a while. Although we did just offer a couple very recently.
What do you guys think? Been hearing a while too that we were after a juco or graduate student transfer point guard so at this point it looks like our coaches are covering all the bases.

(04-22-2016 08:10 AM)mac Wrote:  So back to the recruiting. When I saw we had so many offers out to high schoolers it got me to wondering. Does this mean we aren't in the running for those Martin twins from NC State or more then likely, we have been involved with these high schoolers a while. Although we did just offer a couple very recently.
What do you guys think? Been hearing a while too that we were after a juco or graduate student transfer point guard so at this point it looks like our coaches are covering all the bases.

I would think that there is a grad transfer pg in the mix simply because of the Travis Fields situation. But I have no inside info.

I thought most of those HS offers were actually 2017 and later kids.

I don't know if we are out of the running for the Martin twins or not. But it wouldn't surprise me if they make so announcement till after the semester ends.

Yeah, only walker is a 2016, so that's what made me wonder. We wouldn't have room for him and the Martin twins and another point guard. Something will have to shake out for sure.

As far as the NC state twins go, found this quote from April 16:

"Transferring NC State guards Caleb and Cody Martin plan to take visits to Cal, Rutgers, PC and DePaul, source tells @SNYtv"

And this quote:

"The North Carolina natives were also reported to be considering UNC-Wilmington, Old Dominion, and East Carolina as well"

Both from this article: http://www.onthebanks.com/2016/4/16/1144...basketball

So it sounds like there's a long list, and we aren't at the top.

You can't put all your eggs in one basket. It is late in the game and we have slots to fill. We could very well still be in the running for the Martin twins, but the competition for them is strong and there has to be backup plan. The one thing we need more than anything is a roster with a full slate of scholarship athletes. It has been years since we've had that and reliance on significant walk-on minutes probably cost us what could have been a top 50 team last season (granted suspensions, dismissals, and injuries made walk-on minutes much larger than were probably planned for).

Thanks for those updates09. Would have to say that it makes more sense now why we offered Walker the other day, we don't seem to be a top option for them.