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(02-23-2016 10:49 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  Mods? Mods? Bueller?

Yes. Let's turn this board into Monarch Nation. We all see what happened there when you try to remove all discussion that isn't agreeable enough.

(02-24-2016 09:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:49 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  Mods? Mods? Bueller?

Yes. Let's turn this board into Monarch Nation. We all see what happened there when you try to remove all discussion that isn't agreeable enough.

Don't have an issue with disagreement, but I personally would prefer it be in another thread. We still have a scholarship left, and would like the 2016 Recruiting thread to be about 2016 Recruiting.

(02-24-2016 09:35 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  so...I'm assuming that our 2016 recruits are winding down their regular seasons' and are in the playoffs? anyone that follows HS hoops closely have anything to add?

Tre Evans plays in the OK 6A West Division. He and his Edmond North teammates begin post-season play Fri. 2/26 at home vs. Moore, 8:00 CTS. I will keep posting any news on his play.

Thanks Painted. Be nice to hear about our actual recruits and possible recruits.

Looks like Gerard Simpkins had 10 points in Bishop Sullivan's quarterfinal matchup against Norfolk Academy. I am only posting about him because he told me directly that ODU is his number one choice. He remains unsigned and uncommitted.

The thing that worries me the most about him is that he is a loose cannon. He flies up and down the court and is very turnover prone. One of the nicest kids I have ever spoken with. Super athletic with super potential.

When does Xavier Green play next?

(02-24-2016 10:44 AM)mac Wrote:  When does Xavier Green play next?

Friday night I believe and I will be in attendance.

Good deal 757, we expect a 19 page scouting report!

(02-23-2016 09:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  According to his stats from his trainer, he is 6-6. But, he also has an enormous vertical and is one of the best athletes we have ever seen at ODU.

He's gotta be the absolute best...

(02-24-2016 08:53 AM)Cr8n Wrote:  yeah... I could split this out... but to what? I could create a new thread called "John Snowden can't be dead!"

Hahaha!

(02-24-2016 10:36 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Looks like Gerard Simpkins had 10 points in Bishop Sullivan's quarterfinal matchup against Norfolk Academy. I am only posting about him because he told me directly that ODU is his number one choice. He remains unsigned and uncommitted.

The thing that worries me the most about him is that he is a loose cannon. He flies up and down the court and is very turnover prone. One of the nicest kids I have ever spoken with. Super athletic with super potential.

He looks pretty good on tape, but he's not ranked nearly as high as I would have expected. He's ranked about 50 in the State behind some kids going to Coastal Carolina and Radford.

I wonder if we would have had interest if Evans wouldn't have come on board, they seem to be in a similar mold.

(02-24-2016 09:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 07:20 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Of course you don't agree because it proves how wrong you are.

But, to humor you and counter your Snowden is the focal point argument, Snowden was behind 5 other guys in usage rate. He was 3rd on the team in field goal attempts per 100 possessions (with 4 guys breathing down his neck). Its essentially a model of spreading the ball around. The narrative that he was "the guy" on offense is patently false.

Field Goal Attemps:
Reid 24.1, Usage-30.1%
Blackman 21.3, Usage 23.1%
Snowden 15.7, Usage 20%
Richardson 15.3, Usage 18.2%
Harris 15.2, Usage 23.4%
Myers- 15.2, Usage 18.5%
Scott 15.1, 20.6%


The fact of the matter is Snowden is a 3 point shooter of offesne (50% of his attempts were 3) and shot at 34%....decent, but nothing special. Despite his game being almost solely standing at the 3 point line, he still turned the ball over a high amount (especially for a non primary ball handler). He is not a good free throw shooter (62%). Nothing else is really worthwhile in his game he's non factor. He was probably the 3rd or 4th best player on a 8-22 team in the MAAC.

And yet he'd still have been the best 3 point shooter on our team by 2%. And again, none of the metrics you are using refute my point, which is that all things are not equal played out over an "average".

Given the same amount of "shots" or total usage, if you think biberaj would put up similar stats to what he puts up in limited shots you are nuts.

And his %'s aren't even remotely as good as Snowden's.

Again, this is why metrics are far more valuable for baseball and far less important when discussing basketball, particularly college basketball.

Because you say so or is it because it doesn't support a poor argument?

So by the metric you used, a player who came in and played one minute, scored one basket, grabbed a rebound and didn't allow a point in his minute played would be the best player in basketball history,

You know since extrapolations always work out! Am I not reading that right?

Because minutes played isn't considered?

So someone who went 1 for 1, grabbed a rebound, got a steal and an assist and didn't allow a single basket is still considered a perfect player even if they only play a minute?

Give it a rest bros. Its a tie, you both get a trophy. Recruiting talk man.

(02-24-2016 01:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 09:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 07:20 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  And yet he'd still have been the best 3 point shooter on our team by 2%. And again, none of the metrics you are using refute my point, which is that all things are not equal played out over an "average".

Given the same amount of "shots" or total usage, if you think biberaj would put up similar stats to what he puts up in limited shots you are nuts.

And his %'s aren't even remotely as good as Snowden's.

Again, this is why metrics are far more valuable for baseball and far less important when discussing basketball, particularly college basketball.

Because you say so or is it because it doesn't support a poor argument?

So by the metric you used, a player who came in and played one minute, scored one basket, grabbed a rebound and didn't allow a point in his minute played would be the best player in basketball history,

You know since extrapolations always work out! Am I not reading that right?

Because minutes played isn't considered?

So someone who went 1 for 1, grabbed a rebound, got a steal and an assist and didn't allow a single basket is still considered a perfect player even if they only play a minute?

This will be my last one on this topic, bc you are making a terrible counter argument. "Let me try to find an extreme example to prove some point" (and still making a bad one). You are just making yourself look bad.

Back to 2016 recruiting.

Squirrel

(02-24-2016 02:40 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 01:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 09:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 07:20 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Because you say so or is it because it doesn't support a poor argument?

So by the metric you used, a player who came in and played one minute, scored one basket, grabbed a rebound and didn't allow a point in his minute played would be the best player in basketball history,

You know since extrapolations always work out! Am I not reading that right?

Because minutes played isn't considered?

So someone who went 1 for 1, grabbed a rebound, got a steal and an assist and didn't allow a single basket is still considered a perfect player even if they only play a minute?

This will be my last one on this topic, bc you are making a terrible counter argument. "Let me try to find an extreme example to prove some point" (and still making a bad one). You are just making yourself look bad.

Back to 2016 recruiting.

Actually no, I'm proving how stupid your metric is by showing how totally unreliable it is and how it completely fails to account for other factors.

I'm also showing how pointless it is to attempt to extrapolate data over 100 shots taken, especially when you are comparing a role player like biberaj to a starter like Snowden.

Any metric that would have a d-3 bench player who shoots 22% from the 3 point line, averages 4 or 5 points per game and a couple rebounds per game as a more valuable player than a starting guard who would be the best 3 point shooter on our team and averages 10, 6 and 2+ assists is absurd.

You may not like it, but that's reality, not some dumb hypothetical metric.

Now as you said, back to recruiting.

Please lock this thread!

(02-24-2016 06:29 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Please lock this thread!

Bad idea. There is still 2016 recruiting talk to be had here. They will tire eventually and move on.

(02-24-2016 06:29 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Please lock this thread!

You realize that A. There is no recruiting info to really discuss right now. B. An ignore button c. We are done?

Locking every thead you don't like because people are arguing is maybe one of the dumbest things you could go on a message board that is meant for DISCUSSION.

(02-24-2016 07:28 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 06:29 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Please lock this thread!

You realize that A. There is no recruiting info to really discuss right now. B. An ignore button c. We are done?

Locking every thead you don't like because people are arguing is maybe one of the dumbest things you could go on a message board that is meant for DISCUSSION.

I think his point is that this is supposed to be a recruiting thread and you guys have ruined it. I know you don't care about that, but you could have had your spitting match elsewhere in another thread and a number of people have asked you to let it go. Yet neither of you will.