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(02-23-2016 03:53 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:31 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:20 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:10 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Oh my. I did not realize that there could be two available. This has been discussed before but do we know if they are walk ons because of staff gaining free tuition? Or would they have to pay their own way?

I remember reading on here that the stith's don't get free tuition, but its discounted. If that is indeed true, I would assume that since he played a few years in the NBA he doesn't have too much trouble funding the difference.

somewhat similar, I remember Doug McDermott's teams didn't have to use a scholarship on him since his dad was a coach.

Interesting...if this is the case and they are both W/O's why wouldn't we shoot for two grad transfers? Shonn Miller at UCONN is arguably their best player.

This is actually an interesting discussion to have. With 8 new players for next year already, is it in our best interest to use those scholarships? My take is that anybody that you bring in needs to be able to start or at least contribute very heavily from day one, and should be clearly better than the player that they will move ahead of in the depth chart.

Well, yes but if you use them on two grad transfers you will get them back after one year. I see your point. A lot of new faces and only the coaches would know if any grad transfers would make a serious impact next season.

I think as someone else mentioned a few days ago - a grad transfer PG would be ideal if we can find one. Not sure its the best strategy to hand the keys over to Caver or one of the freshman. although that might be how it plays out.

That freshman kid at Rice from virginia Beach is sure working out alright! If you are a great player you are a great player no matter how young you are. I have not seen the kid play but from everything I read, Tre Evans from OK sounds to me like he's ready to come right in and play from day one.

(02-23-2016 04:04 PM)mac Wrote:  That freshman kid at Rice from virginia Beach is sure working out alright! If you are a great player you are a great player no matter how young you are. I have not seen the kid play but from everything I read, Tre Evans from OK sounds to me like he's ready to come right in and play from day one.

if that's the case, then I'm all for it.

(02-23-2016 04:00 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:53 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:31 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:20 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  I remember reading on here that the stith's don't get free tuition, but its discounted. If that is indeed true, I would assume that since he played a few years in the NBA he doesn't have too much trouble funding the difference.

somewhat similar, I remember Doug McDermott's teams didn't have to use a scholarship on him since his dad was a coach.

Interesting...if this is the case and they are both W/O's why wouldn't we shoot for two grad transfers? Shonn Miller at UCONN is arguably their best player.

This is actually an interesting discussion to have. With 8 new players for next year already, is it in our best interest to use those scholarships? My take is that anybody that you bring in needs to be able to start or at least contribute very heavily from day one, and should be clearly better than the player that they will move ahead of in the depth chart.

Well, yes but if you use them on two grad transfers you will get them back after one year. I see your point. A lot of new faces and only the coaches would know if any grad transfers would make a serious impact next season.

I think as someone else mentioned a few days ago - a grad transfer PG would be ideal if we can find one. Not sure its the best strategy to hand the keys over to Caver or one of the freshman. although that might be how it plays out.

I think that would be ideal, but I went through a preliminary list and am not impressed at all.

Perhaps the biggest of all of the many Blaine Taylor recruiting mistakes, i.e., rejecting Nancy Lieberman's son. Can you imagine how good we would have been this year with a shooting, scoring and passing big man like that? Geesh

http://pilotonline.com/sports/basketball...3225d.html

(02-23-2016 05:45 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Perhaps the biggest of all of the many Blaine Taylor recruiting mistakes, i.e., rejecting Nancy Lieberman's son. Can you imagine how good we would have been this year with a shooting, scoring and passing big man like that? Geesh

http://pilotonline.com/sports/basketball...3225d.html

Absolutely. We should have brought Liberman in as the women's coach and son to play for the Monarchs.

(02-23-2016 05:45 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Perhaps the biggest of all of the many Blaine Taylor recruiting mistakes, i.e., rejecting Nancy Lieberman's son. Can you imagine how good we would have been this year with a shooting, scoring and passing big man like that? Geesh

http://pilotonline.com/sports/basketball...3225d.html

I just skimmed, but didn't seed a reference to ODU rejecting the kid.

(02-23-2016 06:32 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:45 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Perhaps the biggest of all of the many Blaine Taylor recruiting mistakes, i.e., rejecting Nancy Lieberman's son. Can you imagine how good we would have been this year with a shooting, scoring and passing big man like that? Geesh

http://pilotonline.com/sports/basketball...3225d.html

I just skimmed, but didn't seed a reference to ODU rejecting the kid.

Past history. We learned a long time ago that BT didn't want him and that is why he went to Richmond.

(02-23-2016 06:32 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:45 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Perhaps the biggest of all of the many Blaine Taylor recruiting mistakes, i.e., rejecting Nancy Lieberman's son. Can you imagine how good we would have been this year with a shooting, scoring and passing big man like that? Geesh

http://pilotonline.com/sports/basketball...3225d.html

I just skimmed, but didn't seed a reference to ODU rejecting the kid.

I also read the article and don't recall that Blaine rejected him.

Maybe we couldn't get him in....

He didn't play enough defense to suit BT.

(02-23-2016 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Of course you don't agree because it proves how wrong you are.

But, to humor you and counter your Snowden is the focal point argument, Snowden was behind 5 other guys in usage rate. He was 3rd on the team in field goal attempts per 100 possessions (with 4 guys breathing down his neck). Its essentially a model of spreading the ball around. The narrative that he was "the guy" on offense is patently false.

Field Goal Attemps:
Reid 24.1, Usage-30.1%
Blackman 21.3, Usage 23.1%
Snowden 15.7, Usage 20%
Richardson 15.3, Usage 18.2%
Harris 15.2, Usage 23.4%
Myers- 15.2, Usage 18.5%
Scott 15.1, 20.6%


The fact of the matter is Snowden is a 3 point shooter of offesne (50% of his attempts were 3) and shot at 34%....decent, but nothing special. Despite his game being almost solely standing at the 3 point line, he still turned the ball over a high amount (especially for a non primary ball handler). He is not a good free throw shooter (62%). Nothing else is really worthwhile in his game he's non factor. He was probably the 3rd or 4th best player on a 8-22 team in the MAAC.

And yet he'd still have been the best 3 point shooter on our team by 2%. And again, none of the metrics you are using refute my point, which is that all things are not equal played out over an "average".

Given the same amount of "shots" or total usage, if you think biberaj would put up similar stats to what he puts up in limited shots you are nuts.

And his %'s aren't even remotely as good as Snowden's.

Again, this is why metrics are far more valuable for baseball and far less important when discussing basketball, particularly college basketball.

Because you say so or is it because it doesn't support a poor argument?

So by the metric you used, a player who came in and played one minute, scored one basket, grabbed a rebound and didn't allow a point in his minute played would be the best player in basketball history,

You know since extrapolations always work out! Am I not reading that right?

Any of these guys being recruited for 2016?


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(02-23-2016 08:48 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  Any of these guys being recruited for 2016?


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Nope. Can this thread be cleaned up?

Mods? Mods? Bueller?

So can i get more current recruiting news if I go to the 2014 recruit page?

You do realize there's not going to be much to report on this any time soon right?

I mean you do realize that or no?

yeah... I could split this out... but to what? I could create a new thread called "John Snowden can't be dead!"

(02-23-2016 07:20 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 03:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Of course you don't agree because it proves how wrong you are.

But, to humor you and counter your Snowden is the focal point argument, Snowden was behind 5 other guys in usage rate. He was 3rd on the team in field goal attempts per 100 possessions (with 4 guys breathing down his neck). Its essentially a model of spreading the ball around. The narrative that he was "the guy" on offense is patently false.

Field Goal Attemps:
Reid 24.1, Usage-30.1%
Blackman 21.3, Usage 23.1%
Snowden 15.7, Usage 20%
Richardson 15.3, Usage 18.2%
Harris 15.2, Usage 23.4%
Myers- 15.2, Usage 18.5%
Scott 15.1, 20.6%


The fact of the matter is Snowden is a 3 point shooter of offesne (50% of his attempts were 3) and shot at 34%....decent, but nothing special. Despite his game being almost solely standing at the 3 point line, he still turned the ball over a high amount (especially for a non primary ball handler). He is not a good free throw shooter (62%). Nothing else is really worthwhile in his game he's non factor. He was probably the 3rd or 4th best player on a 8-22 team in the MAAC.

And yet he'd still have been the best 3 point shooter on our team by 2%. And again, none of the metrics you are using refute my point, which is that all things are not equal played out over an "average".

Given the same amount of "shots" or total usage, if you think biberaj would put up similar stats to what he puts up in limited shots you are nuts.

And his %'s aren't even remotely as good as Snowden's.

Again, this is why metrics are far more valuable for baseball and far less important when discussing basketball, particularly college basketball.

Because you say so or is it because it doesn't support a poor argument?

So by the metric you used, a player who came in and played one minute, scored one basket, grabbed a rebound and didn't allow a point in his minute played would be the best player in basketball history,

You know since extrapolations always work out! Am I not reading that right?

Because minutes played isn't considered?

so...I'm assuming that our 2016 recruits are winding down their regular seasons' and are in the playoffs? anyone that follows HS hoops closely have anything to add?