Why would anyone in their right mind try to argue with, or piss-off a cop? Why resist a cop (especially a NYC Cop) ? If he had simply co-operated with those whose job it is to enforce the LAW....well, you can figure out the rest.....I would bet that all the posters on this board would co-operate with cops.........just stupid to do anything else

(12-05-2014 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:56 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Probably because the guy is dead.

Seriously? You choke a man for that long, hear him saying over and over that he can't breathe and you are then surprised when he dies?

Wow. Just Wow.

The hold was released before Garner said he couldn't breathe... He was restrained in a choke hold until he could no longer resist arrest, that's how it's done and always has been done.

I disagree. In fact, cops rarely use choke holds for several reasons.

1. They are hard to do right
2. You risk hurting the person
3. They is many easier ways to subdue a person.

I'm talking about the method they use to restrain a suspect whether it's a choke hold, an arm twist, etc.

(12-05-2014 01:08 PM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Why would anyone in their right mind try to argue with, or piss-off a cop? Why resist a cop (especially a NYC Cop) ? If he had simply co-operated with those whose job it is to enforce the LAW....well, you can figure out the rest.....I would bet that all the posters on this board would co-operate with cops.........just stupid to do anything else

+1

100 times

(12-05-2014 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:56 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Probably because the guy is dead.

Seriously? You choke a man for that long, hear him saying over and over that he can't breathe and you are then surprised when he dies?

Wow. Just Wow.

The hold was released before Garner said he couldn't breathe... He was restrained in a choke hold until he could no longer resist arrest, that's how it's done and always has been done.

I disagree. In fact, cops rarely use choke holds for several reasons.

1. They are hard to do right
2. You risk hurting the person
3. They is many easier ways to subdue a person.

So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

(12-05-2014 01:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Chokeholds are not even allowed by the NYPD. there's no point in even defending it.

(12-05-2014 01:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Chokeholds are not even allowed by the NYPD. there's no point in even defending it.

Right, but it's not illegal so it's hard to find ground to stand on.

(12-05-2014 01:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Speculation.

(12-05-2014 01:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Chokeholds are not even allowed by the NYPD. there's no point in even defending it.

Doesn't matter as chokeholds are not illegal. Can't indict if not illegal.

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  So if hurting a person resisting arrest is the ultimate goal by the people saying this is an epidemic (which its not) then there is no winning this debate.

The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

(12-05-2014 04:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  The same people always say that something different could have been done. What if Wilson had put Brown in a choke hold? They would still be rioting saying it was brutality. Doesn't matter what you do. You either risk the media destroying your character or you let the suspect run away.

Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

That's a valid statement. He did do what he had to do . But what could he have done to avoid a situation where the only option left was to kill?

That is the question.

(12-05-2014 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

That's a valid statement. He did do what he had to do . But what could he have done to avoid a situation where the only option left was to kill?

That is the question.

Not tax cigarettes so high?

(12-05-2014 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Speculation.

More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

That's a valid statement. He did do what he had to do . But what could he have done to avoid a situation where the only option left was to kill?

That is the question.

Simple, lose the attitude. Take the lip or the accusations that you may consider offensive, and walk away. Don't let that chip on your shoulder inflame that chip on the cop's shoulder. He's just there to do his job after he received a complaint about the person. One was asked to walk on the sidewalk, one was asked to move away from the store. Both got offended, the situations escalated, and lives that didn't have to be lost were lost.

Very rarely will you lose your life at the hands of a cop if you can find it within yourself to be polite.

(12-05-2014 04:47 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  More like, too predictable.

And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

That's a valid statement. He did do what he had to do . But what could he have done to avoid a situation where the only option left was to kill?

That is the question.

Simple, lose the attitude. Take the lip or the accusations that you may consider offensive, and walk away. Don't let that chip on your shoulder inflame that chip on the cop's shoulder. He's just there to do his job after he received a complaint about the person. One was asked to walk on the sidewalk, one was asked to move away from the store. Both got offended, the situations escalated, and lives that didn't have to be lost were lost.

Very rarely will you lose your life at the hands of a cop if you can find it within yourself to be polite.

I was talking about the cop. They are the ones who are held to a higher standard.

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(12-05-2014 07:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:47 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  And so what if they do complain? At least the cop could be happy knowing that he did the right thing and didn't have to kill someone.

He did what he had to do.

That's a valid statement. He did do what he had to do . But what could he have done to avoid a situation where the only option left was to kill?

That is the question.

Simple, lose the attitude. Take the lip or the accusations that you may consider offensive, and walk away. Don't let that chip on your shoulder inflame that chip on the cop's shoulder. He's just there to do his job after he received a complaint about the person. One was asked to walk on the sidewalk, one was asked to move away from the store. Both got offended, the situations escalated, and lives that didn't have to be lost were lost.

Very rarely will you lose your life at the hands of a cop if you can find it within yourself to be polite.

I was talking about the cop. They are the ones who are held to a higher standard.

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Doesn't excuse other folks from acting like idiots.

No amount of excuses can make me believe that someone should not be punished for the death of this fellow. It was a total unjustified and excessive use of force. I don't know what exactly the punishment should be..but..there should be one.

(12-06-2014 09:22 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No amount of excuses can make me believe that someone should not be punished for the death of this fellow. It was a total unjustified and excessive use of force. I don't know what exactly the punishment should be..but..there should be one.

Negligent Homicide. I think they tried to overcharge with the Grand Jury.

(12-06-2014 09:22 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No amount of excuses can make me believe that someone should not be punished for the death of this fellow. It was a total unjustified and excessive use of force. I don't know what exactly the punishment should be..but..there should be one.

Maybe the young man shouldn't have resisted arrest. You seem to be okay with Garner resisting arrest, and that disgusts me.