(10-07-2014 01:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

Would you be happier with the SBC if it contained THREE members from the state of Louisiana? I don't believe that anyone thinks that that would be good for any of us.

(10-07-2014 07:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:13 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

Ok dreamer, before any of your fantasies will come true the SBC will lose four teams, USA, ULL, Ark. St. and Troy.

If WCU or UTC is admitted the league will take a tumble down to FCS. It will not be able to survive. Georgia Southern would more than likely vacate by then also. TXST may even be associated with coosa .

Where would USA, UL, stAte, and Troy go?

Exactly! Wanting to and having somewhere to go are two different things.

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

I've always thought if CUSA lost two then they would stay at 12, but that may not be the case. If CUSA were to lose Marshall and Rice, they may feel pressure to weaken the SBC by taking a couple of the strong performers. Could Ga Southern sneak in and fill that hole in the map with a Georgia school? Who knows, but I think we'd have as good of a shot as anyone. With that said, I'm hopeful we have stability and the current SBC can grow.

(10-07-2014 07:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:13 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

Ok dreamer, before any of your fantasies will come true the SBC will lose four teams, USA, ULL, Ark. St. and Troy.

If WCU or UTC is admitted the league will take a tumble down to FCS. It will not be able to survive. Georgia Southern would more than likely vacate by then also. TXST may even be associated with coosa .

Where would USA, UL, stAte, and Troy go?

I would guess that if another major shake up occurs in the next five years, one of those four schools would end up in the AAC and two of the other schools would end up in the MAC and/or Mountain West out of desperation. Troy is likely as stuck in the Belt as much as Southern Miss is stuck in C-USA.

(10-07-2014 07:45 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

I've always thought if CUSA lost two then they would stay at 12, but that may not be the case. If CUSA were to lose Marshall and Rice, they may feel pressure to weaken the SBC by taking a couple of the strong performers. Could Ga Southern sneak in and fill that hole in the map with a Georgia school? Who knows, but I think we'd have as good of a shot as anyone.

USA, Georgia State, Texas State, Cajuns all better meet CUSA's general strategy so far. NMSU is the one who appeared to be next in line when they stopped. Would GaSo have a shot to sneak in? Sure. As good a shot as anyone? No.

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

Sounds reasonable.

(10-07-2014 07:56 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

Sounds reasonable.

Don't count out Memphis. If they can continue to show a little football life...that combined with their basketball could be more appealing than Cincy.

(10-07-2014 07:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:56 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

Sounds reasonable.

Don't count out Memphis. If they can continue to show a little football life...that combined with their basketball could be more appealing than Cincy.

If CUSA were to go to 14 in this scenario. My bet would be Ga St (IMHO Ga Southern is the better choice) because of Atlanta and Troy or South Alabama. I don't see the AAC adding more TX or LA teams.

(10-07-2014 08:09 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:56 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 07:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  My prediction is if th B12 expanded and ripple effect

B12 - Cincy and UCF
AAC - ODU and Marshall
CUSA - Stays at 12, maybe expands in the future but not right away.

Sounds reasonable.

Don't count out Memphis. If they can continue to show a little football life...that combined with their basketball could be more appealing than Cincy.

If CUSA were to go to 14 in this scenario. My bet would be Ga St (IMHO Ga Southern is the better choice) because of Atlanta and Troy or South Alabama. I don't see the AAC adding more TX or LA teams.

Why would you think Troy? Why exactly would be chosen over USA?

Georgia State I agree with. They are in the Atlanta market, fill a gap, and would better fit their basketball interests....and CUSA has made it clear that they actually have basketball interests that do actually matter to them.

(10-07-2014 07:38 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

Would you be happier with the SBC if it contained THREE members from the state of Louisiana? I don't believe that anyone thinks that that would be good for any of us.

Is Northwestern State coming?

Sorry, it slipped.

(10-07-2014 04:48 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 04:47 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I predict we gain Liberty, Kennesaw State, Lamar, UMass, and Idaho State.

After a lengthy talk this past Saturday with someone very much in the know (wink-wink nod-nod) I am now of the opinion Liberty has no shot. The comments by JMU's administration this summer so angered several SB Presidents even if they wanted in it may be difficult to pull off. Looks like EKU (who isn't ready) and Mizzo State are the odds on favorites. Don't rule out the possibility of N Dakota State for football only.

What is the vote needed to approve a school? I doubt GaState or GaSou or most of the Belt want's to compete with another GA school for recruits.

9 votes of 11. But typically Schools side with each other. App, Ga Southern, and Ga State will likely form an eastern voting block and rope Troy in. AState, Lafayette, and Texas State will form a Western voting block and rope Monroe, Arlington, and Little Rock in. South sits in the middle and gets to play mediator.

League eventually comes to a couple of I scratch your back you scratch mine deals. East Schools approve Missouri State and New Mexico State in exchange for an Idaho boot, and an Eastern Kentucky invite to the East. App gets their travel partner. West schools get Missouri State, who they want, and the basketball schools get 3 good basketball programs, which they want.

Than the Big 12 will expand and CUSA will invite Lafayette and Georgia State and we'll start musical chairs all over again.

The only way I see Georgia Southern moving to C-USA is if the Eagles become a perennial power in football, and can push C-USA ahead of the American Athletic/Mountain West champion for the access slot. UAB, WKU, and MT also have to be content being in the west, because there won't be room for them in the East if all of ODU, Marshall, and Charlotte stay (although in a 16-team C-USA, UAB could head east while WKU and MT head west).

I see GaSt being more of an AAC fit and GaSo being more of a CUSA fit if it ever came down to it....The AAC seems to lean toward large metropolitan city based schools and CUSA seems to follow the opposite path...

I see Arkansas State as a great fit in the Big 12.


What, since the rest of you seem to be playing off in fantasy hypotheticals?

please don't invite any more programs to join the G5. thank you.

(10-07-2014 10:16 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  I see GaSt being more of an AAC fit and GaSo being more of a CUSA fit if it ever came down to it....The AAC seems to lean toward large metropolitan city based schools and CUSA seems to follow the opposite path...

Lets be honest GSU is more of a Sun Belt/CUSA fit. AAC wants good foundation winning teams. Thats something Southern has and State doesnt.

(10-08-2014 12:26 AM)trueblue21 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:16 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  I see GaSt being more of an AAC fit and GaSo being more of a CUSA fit if it ever came down to it....The AAC seems to lean toward large metropolitan city based schools and CUSA seems to follow the opposite path...

Lets be honest GSU is more of a Sun Belt/CUSA fit. AAC wants good foundation winning teams. Thats something Southern has and State doesnt.

Georgia Southern. Tulane, SMU, all born to be to GATA together.

(10-07-2014 11:40 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  please don't invite any more programs to join the G5. thank you.

If they keep raiding us we'll invite 50 of them.

Didn't read the whole thread, but just ask yourself who either conference could add at this point that will actually make a difference.

No moves to be made unless you believe they can tear apart the ACC, which there are some moves that make sense individually, but I just don't think it would ever fall into place.

The Big XII is easiest as at 10 members currently they could pick up two, four, or six and currently have a pretty big hole, geographically speaking, in the approximate area of the ACC.

Big XII adds Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt, Miami, GT to get to 16. Biggest problems here are if GT is leaving, I'd think they'd prefer the Big Ten, also would probably need to do zipper divisions to prevent putting one current Texas(probably) member on an island with those six schools and WVU. I guess they could force TCU into that spot as the newest member and one that was headed to the Big East a few years ago.

The SEC actually makes the most sense, grab NCSU and VT. Adds two new states, pushes Missouri to the west where they belong and there's no conflict with existing members.

The Big Ten goes to 18 BC, UVA, UNC and Duke and the long awaited oft speculated Big Ten ND marriage finally happens...sort of...the Irish enters into a similar agreement to what they had with the ACC.

And for those of you not keeping up, poof! The ACC is gone and there's no trickle down.


I realize of course this won't happen, but I don't know what other moves could possibly be made that would make any difference.

(10-07-2014 11:40 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  please don't invite any more programs to join the G5. thank you.

If you'll get with all the other leagues and tell them no more realignment, the next two teams we add will be the only ones we bring in for a long time.