People are acting like the playoff changes anything. It will always be power 5 schools and TV made for Walmart fans. That will never ever change.

(10-07-2014 11:31 AM)panama Wrote:  People are acting like the playoff changes anything. It will always be power 5 schools and TV made for Walmart fans. That will never ever change.

I'm hoping their arrogance that they can always win over the G5 will roll over into letting all P5 champs in plus a couple of At large bids - but they need some other teams to play to make sure they all advance through the first round and save face.

All we need is that door to be cracked open just a little to get a foot in. Actual access or REAL potential to make it to a NC will help recruiting for the entire G5.

I think it will happen.

(10-07-2014 11:43 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:31 AM)panama Wrote:  People are acting like the playoff changes anything. It will always be power 5 schools and TV made for Walmart fans. That will never ever change.

I'm hoping their arrogance that they can always win over the G5 will roll over into letting all P5 champs in plus a couple of At large bids - but they need some other teams to play to make sure they all advance through the first round and save face.

All we need is that door to be cracked open just a little to get a foot in. Actual access or REAL potential to make it to a NC will help recruiting for the entire G5.

I think it will happen.

We need concrete things. A committee or pollsters will always screw around with it to preserve the status quo.

It should be...if you do A...then B happens. Like sports.

If they had their way the playoff would be Notre Dame versus Ohio State every year.
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Ain't that the truth... Especially ND

Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

JMU and UTC both elected to challenge the Autonomy legislation. No FBS schools did so, and that sort of indicates to me that they may have decided to hitch their wagon to FCS.

(10-07-2014 12:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

JMU and UTC both elected to challenge the Autonomy legislation. No FBS schools did so, and that sort of indicates to me that they may have decided to hitch their wagon to FCS.

Very good point on those two. UTC would seem like a no brainer if they had the desire, but for some reason they seem happy to be in FCS.

As for the playoff, I think we all know the current setup is just the beginning. As soon as one of the P5 conferences feels like it isn't getting equal treatment there will be change.

I don't know why anyone is worried about expansion.

I have it on good authority the Sun Belt is going to invite the entirety of the Big Sky, which will then later split off into a more regionalized pair of conferences.

This should happen any day now.

A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

(10-07-2014 12:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

JMU and UTC both elected to challenge the Autonomy legislation. No FBS schools did so, and that sort of indicates to me that they may have decided to hitch their wagon to FCS.

Well, I'd have voted against Autonomy to. But I'm all for FBS.
AND - being that it passed anyway, they might see that as an indication that they now must go FBS to keep from being separated further than they now are. Being that G5 conferences that they now recruit against, are going to be able to vote to follow the P5 when they "pay" players. They could see the move as more necessary than ever, perhaps a jump they didn't want to make otherwise? Just one way to look at it.

(10-07-2014 01:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

I think you feel too much.

(10-07-2014 01:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

I would prefer to stick with UL. If they left it would be a bummer. If they stayed, I'd prefer to stay. I would prefer we both stayed because I like TXST, App, GS, USA better than some we lost.

In fact, I would prefer everything remain just as it is for a while with the exception of trading Idaho for Mo State.

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
UTC -
A Kentucky team:
EKU
A Missouri team
MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

11-2 +3 =12 not thirteen
I would add Umass and extend Idaho and NMSU two years.
Add three new teams with a 2019 deadline.
Give the three departing schools a four game scheduling agreement. That would result in nine conference scheduled games. Include those twelve games in the T.V. deal without paying those schools. The Independent schools can then schedule each other for six guaranteed games . More importantly sixty percent of the five home games requirement.

SBC gains exposure and stability if raided.
The Independent schools get scheduling flexibility and stability.
Bowl tie ins can be worked out also there are lots of bowls.

(10-07-2014 01:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  A-State would have to get a hell of a deal to leave the Belt right now. UL on the other hand would probably whore themselves out just for the opportunity to leave the conference. I maybe wrong about this, but I have a sense that UL feels threatened by newcomers like Ga Southern and Texas St. and that they feel that these programs are catching up to them. UL would probably leave just to separate themselves from the rest of us á la La Tech.

Don't be crazy.. If we left the belt it would have nothing to do (almost nothing) with any of the schools in the belt, especially the ones you mentioned. Personally I love the Georgia schools, Texas St and Ark St as well...

(10-07-2014 09:20 AM)augustis13 Wrote:  It could just all be internet bs but suddenly there is a lot of talk about B12 and B10 expansion as teams start to fear being left out of the playoff picture because they either don't have a championship game or in the B10s situation they just don't have any powerful teams and they have been beat up in out of conference p5 games....

If there is any truth, how well is the Belt prepared to deal with the trickle down effect that always leaves us grasping for solutions? I hope the powers that be have a plan in place so we are not stuck with 8 or 9 teams again..And if there is poaching, who do you think are the most likely Sunbelt targets?

I visit the AAC board quite often and they talked about this chatter a few days ago. They think it is an offshoot from a comment another self-appointed expert made a couple of weeks ago and that the talk is BS.

(10-07-2014 02:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
1. WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
2. UTC -
A Kentucky team:
3. EKU
A Missouri team
4. MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

11-2 +3 =12 not thirteen
I would add Umass and extend Idaho and NMSU two years.
Add three new teams with a 2019 deadline.
Give the three departing schools a four game scheduling agreement. That would result in nine conference scheduled games. Include those twelve games in the T.V. deal without paying those schools. The Independent schools can then schedule each other for six guaranteed games . More importantly sixty percent of the five home games requirement.

SBC gains exposure and stability if raided.
The Independent schools get scheduling flexibility and stability.
Bowl tie ins can be worked out also there are lots of bowls.

Really... try reading it again. Perhaps a little slower this time.

I numbered them for you to try and catch u up to speed.

It's 11-2 plus 4 not 3.

(10-07-2014 11:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:02 AM)augustis13 Wrote:  The reality of not getting in the playoffs for the B12 and Big10 is setting in and fueling the talk..Its looking more and more likely the SEC might get 2 in, Florida St is undefeated with their toughest game behind them, and that leaves 1 spot for the PAC and 2 bigs. Since Oregon already beat down the likely Big 10 champ and a Big 12 team has to go undefeated to get consideration they are feeling the squeeze.. In this scenario the bigs are no better off than a g5 conference in terms of being able to win it all..The Big 12 needs a championship game for the extra push it might give and the Big 10 needs another good program.. The likes of Rutgers and Maryland don't help them at all in conference strength..

This is an issue of the playoff being flawed...not expansion or realignment.

Make the playoff 10 conference champs and 2 wild cards, let the committee do seeding, and college football becomes healthy again.

That would entail all FBS having a seat at the big table. I would think the P5 would put the kibosh on that from happening.

(10-07-2014 11:15 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:11 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:02 AM)augustis13 Wrote:  The reality of not getting in the playoffs for the B12 and Big10 is setting in and fueling the talk..Its looking more and more likely the SEC might get 2 in, Florida St is undefeated with their toughest game behind them, and that leaves 1 spot for the PAC and 2 bigs. Since Oregon already beat down the likely Big 10 champ and a Big 12 team has to go undefeated to get consideration they are feeling the squeeze.. In this scenario the bigs are no better off than a g5 conference in terms of being able to win it all..The Big 12 needs a championship game for the extra push it might give and the Big 10 needs another good program.. The likes of Rutgers and Maryland don't help them at all in conference strength..

This is an issue of the playoff being flawed...not expansion or realignment.

Make the playoff 10 conference champs and 2 wild cards, let the committee do seeding, and college football becomes healthy again.

May be momentum for this, looking like the 'committee' selection is going to be a train wreck.

It's logical and healthy.

But the powers that be will never allow it.

If they had their way the playoff would be Notre Dame versus Ohio State every year.

Not TOO facetious of a comment.

(10-07-2014 02:36 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 12:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Eventually I think the Belt adds:
A Carolina Team:
1. WCU - Major improvements this year and they are seeing a culture change.
A Tennessee team.
2. UTC -
A Kentucky team:
3. EKU
A Missouri team
4. MSU

We trim the western edge... - 2

And that puts us at 13,

Then a Virginia team:
JMU - unless they get the CUSA call. Their fans wont be happy in FCS forever. Especilly if the playoff (FBS) is expanded.
OR - We get tired of waiting and Liberty fills the final slot.

We wind up at 14 with a SOLID footprint.

11-2 +3 =12 not thirteen
I would add Umass and extend Idaho and NMSU two years.
Add three new teams with a 2019 deadline.
Give the three departing schools a four game scheduling agreement. That would result in nine conference scheduled games. Include those twelve games in the T.V. deal without paying those schools. The Independent schools can then schedule each other for six guaranteed games . More importantly sixty percent of the five home games requirement.

SBC gains exposure and stability if raided.
The Independent schools get scheduling flexibility and stability.
Bowl tie ins can be worked out also there are lots of bowls.

Really... try reading it again. Perhaps a little slower this time.

I numbered them for you to try and catch u up to speed.

It's 11-2 plus 4 not 3.

Also, What the heck are you even talking about.
Add UMASS? Why? Who wants them? And if you extend NMSU and Idaho.. then what "departing schools" are you talking about" And if you follow your "-2" then how does equal 3 departing schools?

Also - if any school is independent, then we don't care about their scheduling and so don't have to worry about them scheduling themselves or not.

We might take UMASS to get to 12 and extend NMSU and Idaho but the rest of what you are saying is lost on me.

All I got from this math is that we're headed to the Big 12....


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