Playing on national TV is bad for us. We're 0-7 now.


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(10-05-2014 09:48 PM)62Indian Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:33 PM)Tribal Wrote:  W&M leads the series 14-3. That record is hard to explain but the information below really speaks to UNH's consistency in being highly ranked over the past decade.

2013: W&M, UNH (16). W&M 17-0
2012: W&M, UNH (11). UNH 28-25
2011: W&M, UNH (6). W&M 24-10
2010: W&M, UNH(8). W&M 13-3
2009: W&M, UNH (7). W&M 20-17
2008: W&M, UNH (4). W&M 38-34
2007: DNP
2006: DNP
2005: W&M, UNH (1). W&M 42-10
2004: W&M, UNH (10). W&M 9-7
2003: W&M, UNH(NR). W&M 38-28
2002: W&M, UNH(NR). W&M 34-27
2001: W&M, UNH(20). W&M 38-28
2000: DNP
1999: DNP
1998: W&M, UNH(NR). UNH 38-19
1997: W&M, UNH(NR). UNH 24-22
1996: W&M, UNH(20). W&M 31-7
1995: W&M, UNH(NR). W&M 39-0
1994: DNP
1993: W&M, UNH(NR). W&M 27-14
1992: DNP
1991: DNP
1990: DNP
1989: DNP
1988: W&M, UNH(NR). W&M 33-31

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To paraphrase The Griffin; "I fear the Law of Averages"..........

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UNH for sure, did not "Fear The Griffin"

(10-12-2014 07:58 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 07:41 AM)Tribal Wrote:  OT, but I went to the AGS board to congradulate UNH until I read their punk comments...who knew how classless some of them could be? They've been so humble for years.

#RisingTribe

I was very surprised by that as well. Maybe it was the pent up frustration that we just don't see or hear from our dominance over the years. Keep in mind though, it's just a couple of posters.

Another head scratcher. They reported 18,000+ for the game yesterday. The stadium seats 6,500 and the far side on TV wasn't even half full. I think you could have put the entire crowd on one side of Zable.

I'm not even sure how they can report 18,000 with a straight face

Years ago when Richmond played at City Stadium, they did it all the time.

(10-12-2014 05:50 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  Mosley maybe not. Like Steve he has no experience, and we do not like to play young QB's. We have been told our offense is too complex for them???
ODU had a great true frosh, as did UNH a few years ago. I guess their offenses are primitive??

Hopefully one of the more technical football posters can correct all the mistakes I make, but here goes:

The ODU offense was built on quick hits, one or two look pass plays. It relied on finding a weakness in the defense or a strength in the offense and isolating. I would guess it's not working at FBS because the opponents are a little bit more athletic. There's really no alternative for the game plan; if the defense stops it, there's no adjustment to be made.

In contrast, our offense allows for potentially more options when run correctly. This is where the complexity comes in, because it asks the QB to read the defense right and decide what his progression will be based on that. The lack of protection exacerbates the complexity problem, because Cluley has to also determine where his hot reads are in the event of quick pressure. If he's not understanding what version of our play the defense is dictating, he won't see the open guy (if there is one) and the offense stalls. Having a strong athlete under center increases the margin of error simply by having the ability to turn a broken play around with his legs, but that's not a good basis for long-term success.

(10-12-2014 11:34 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 07:58 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 07:41 AM)Tribal Wrote:  OT, but I went to the AGS board to congradulate UNH until I read their punk comments...who knew how classless some of them could be? They've been so humble for years.

#RisingTribe

I was very surprised by that as well. Maybe it was the pent up frustration that we just don't see or hear from our dominance over the years. Keep in mind though, it's just a couple of posters.

Another head scratcher. They reported 18,000+ for the game yesterday. The stadium seats 6,500 and the far side on TV wasn't even half full. I think you could have put the entire crowd on one side of Zable.

I'm not even sure how they can report 18,000 with a straight face

They literally counted people in the parking area . When you enter the parking area they scan your game tickets after you show your parking pass and many many students entered thru a gate into the parking area. Most just showed up to drink and drink hard.This parking area was in total at least 1 1/2 the size of W&M Hall lot and it was filled up to capacity plus it is a just an unpaved field. The place was a madhouse of students partying quite hardy, it was out of control and the mass of beer cans and trash littered about was amazing.

(10-12-2014 03:33 PM)Tribe Fan Wrote:  This parking area was in total at least 1 1/2 the size of W&M Hall lot and it is a just a field. The place was a madhouse of students partying quite hardy, it was out of control and the mass of beer cans and trash littered about was amazing.

Jealous?

#RisingTribe

(10-12-2014 02:52 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 05:50 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  Mosley maybe not. Like Steve he has no experience, and we do not like to play young QB's. We have been told our offense is too complex for them???
ODU had a great true frosh, as did UNH a few years ago. I guess their offenses are primitive??

Hopefully one of the more technical football posters can correct all the mistakes I make, but here goes:

The ODU offense was built on quick hits, one or two look pass plays. It relied on finding a weakness in the defense or a strength in the offense and isolating. I would guess it's not working at FBS because the opponents are a little bit more athletic. There's really no alternative for the game plan; if the defense stops it, there's no adjustment to be made.

In contrast, our offense allows for potentially more options when run correctly. This is where the complexity comes in, because it asks the QB to read the defense right and decide what his progression will be based on that. The lack of protection exacerbates the complexity problem, because Cluley has to also determine where his hot reads are in the event of quick pressure. If he's not understanding what version of our play the defense is dictating, he won't see the open guy (if there is one) and the offense stalls. Having a strong athlete under center increases the margin of error simply by having the ability to turn a broken play around with his legs, but that's not a good basis for long-term success.

That sounds about right. However, other teams have been able to crank out prolific passing games using simple concepts. W&M hasn't had a working passing attack in 4 years. Jake Phillips in 2008 was the last QB to average more than 200 yards/game through the air. Perhaps instead of talking about how the W&M offense is more sophisticated than everyone else's it's time to use everyone else's offense.

Actually, defense has been the problem for ODU. The only game this year where they really had scoring issues was Marshall, who is really solid this year.

Lots of work needed at practice this week plus a supreme effort Saturday to prevent a Homecoming disaster.

Watched yesterday's game again today after recording it yesterday and we looked even worse
on offense than I thought...missed blocks & assignments, terrible passes, poor reading of
the defense, overthrowing open receivers and no offensive line charge other than the 63 yard fg drive in the first half.

Cluley is all we got this season. Let's hope he comes back with a good game.

I remember a few years back when nova was in town Howie Long and LT were on the sidelines for most of the game checking out the action.
Maybe coach jimmye could reenlist these two HOF'ers to show our gutty little tribsters a trick or two ?


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(10-12-2014 03:39 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:33 PM)Tribe Fan Wrote:  This parking area was in total at least 1 1/2 the size of W&M Hall lot and it is a just a field. The place was a madhouse of students partying quite hardy, it was out of control and the mass of beer cans and trash littered about was amazing.

Jealous?

#RisingTribe

My wife and I talked about this afterwards - definitely not. It was complete chaos and overindulging to an extreme degree. We saw at least 2 or 3 people taken away in handcuffs and several students having to be attended to by EMTs because they had too much. Saw several others that should have been seen more than likely.

On top of that it took literally 1 hour + to travel about a mile to get into the lot. It was a nightmare of a Mickey Mouse operation.

(10-12-2014 03:33 PM)Tribe Fan Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 11:34 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 07:58 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 07:41 AM)Tribal Wrote:  OT, but I went to the AGS board to congradulate UNH until I read their punk comments...who knew how classless some of them could be? They've been so humble for years.

#RisingTribe

I was very surprised by that as well. Maybe it was the pent up frustration that we just don't see or hear from our dominance over the years. Keep in mind though, it's just a couple of posters.

Another head scratcher. They reported 18,000+ for the game yesterday. The stadium seats 6,500 and the far side on TV wasn't even half full. I think you could have put the entire crowd on one side of Zable.

I'm not even sure how they can report 18,000 with a straight face

They literally counted people in the parking area . When you enter the parking area they scan your game tickets after you show your parking pass and many many students entered thru a gate into the parking area. Most just showed up to drink and drink hard.This parking area was in total at least 1 1/2 the size of W&M Hall lot and it was filled up to capacity plus it is a just an unpaved field. The place was a madhouse of students partying quite hardy, it was out of control and the mass of beer cans and trash littered about was amazing.

This sounds like the aftermath of a Jimmy Buffet concert. Party Animal hq to the max. They 've got a lot of white trash crack heads up there.



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Despite what some fans and Mickey Matthews has said about our offense, I'm convinced that it is super complex. How else could every quarterback we've played since 2010 look so bad in the system if it's so simple?
Either our offense is way more complex than it looks (which isn't necessarily a good thing) or we need to start recruiting quarterbacks with higher football IQs

(10-12-2014 06:46 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Despite what some fans and Mickey Matthews has said about our offense, I'm convinced that it is super complex. How else could every quarterback we've played since 2010 look so bad in the system if it's so simple?
Either our offense is way more complex than it looks (which isn't necessarily a good thing) or we need to start recruiting quarterbacks with higher football IQs

The Peyton Manning Clone that's growing in the Laycock Center should be old enough for college soon.

(10-12-2014 06:46 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Despite what some fans and Mickey Matthews has said about our offense, I'm convinced that it is super complex. How else could every quarterback we've played since 2010 look so bad in the system if it's so simple?
Either our offense is way more complex than it looks (which isn't necessarily a good thing) or we need to start recruiting quarterbacks with higher football IQs

As for our offense, is there anything to be said about our pro-style scheme affecting our output? It seems that the most high-octane offenses (especially passing-wise) are not pro-style in the collegiate ranks--perhaps, they are shotgun/spread offenses. Just looking around the CAA, it seems that a spread-based offense works very well for JMU, Richmond, UNH, and Villanova. Please correct me if any of those teams run pro-style offenses, or if I'm misusing the term 'spread offense!'

I know the team has been very successful under Laycock and am not saying that a pro-style is in any way bad and that we should definitely switch. It would, however, be interesting to look at the top offenses in the FCS, figure out which ones run what type of system, and check the data.

Top Total Offenses in FCS: http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnfo...taloff.htm

Shawn, David, and Lang had no problem with JL's offense and I can't believe Rogers has made it any more complex.

KR tried to outsmart everyone instead of running the ball and eating the clock like we did with our 3rd string QB in our 9-6 win a few years back.

#RisingTribe

(10-12-2014 08:32 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Shawn, David, and Lang had no problem with JL's offense and I can't believe Rogers has made it any more complex.

KR tried to outsmart everyone instead of running the ball and eating the clock like we did with our 3rd string QB in our 9-6 win a few years back.

#RisingTribe

The most recent QB on that list last played in 2004.

(10-12-2014 08:32 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Shawn, David, and Lang had no problem with JL's offense and I can't believe Rogers has made it any more complex.

This is kinda my point. How is it possible that Callahan, Paulus, Caprio, Ortiz, Graham, and now Cluley have all looked so bad in the same system. What is different?

The long, run based drive we had in the first half was one of the rare sustained drives we have had, six games in.
We looked like a worthy team at that point. Have to believe this team is capable of that type of ball control. Otherwise, most of our scoring this year has been a result of one or two big plays to get us in scoring position.

We attempted to get the ball in Tre's hands a lot yesterday, but Tre has not shown any explosiveness with the ball, especially on returns, and seems measured in his movement..Have to wonder if he's still feeling the effects of the ankle injury...Like to see Devonte given more opportunities.

Maybe Mike Reilly is just being double teamed/isolated, but if he is, then it seems like we should be seeing others taking advantage. That alone, is a reflection that we are not playing to potential. Our memorable defenses had everyone flying to the ball and wrapping up. Have seen a lot of players holding their position and waiting for the play to come to them, and shoulder hits with no wrapping up. The Green Swarm hasn't appeared.

At some point, it's about players not overthinking on both sides of the ball and just instinctively playing the game. Airek Green may be the only one having that kind of season to this point. Have to lay some of that on the coaches.
At least that's my arm chair, uneducated, 2 cents, or lack of sense.

No expectations for this weekend, except to see this team leave it all on the field.