It's not the taking of the gun but what he very well might do
with it. You cannot protect the public if you let someone strip
you of your gun. Volatile situation.
(08-16-2014 08:05 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: It's not? What do you think they're going to do if they get the gun?
They might point it at you so they can get away.
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Would you bet your life on "might?"
No. But I'm not trained to carry a gun. I know however that we used to have a cop on campus and a kid tried to take his gun. That's why I was asking
not to offend, but your understanding of guns is probably restricted to what you see in movies. handgun training a fairly rigorous.
No hand gun training but I have worked with cops on how to avoid being disarmed. Never had a cop regained his gun in training and simulated shooting immediately after.
(08-16-2014 11:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote: They might point it at you so they can get away.
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Would you bet your life on "might?"
No. But I'm not trained to carry a gun. I know however that we used to have a cop on campus and a kid tried to take his gun. That's why I was asking
not to offend, but your understanding of guns is probably restricted to what you see in movies. handgun training a fairly rigorous.
No hand gun training but I have worked with cops on how to avoid being disarmed. Never had a cop regained his gun in training and simulated shooting immediately after.
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Typical liberal intelligence. Just because someone pointed out to them that the nose is located on someones head, they think they are qualified to perform brain surgery.
(08-16-2014 11:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Would you bet your life on "might?"
No. But I'm not trained to carry a gun. I know however that we used to have a cop on campus and a kid tried to take his gun. That's why I was asking
not to offend, but your understanding of guns is probably restricted to what you see in movies. handgun training a fairly rigorous.
No hand gun training but I have worked with cops on how to avoid being disarmed. Never had a cop regained his gun in training and simulated shooting immediately after.
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Typical liberal intelligence. Just because someone pointed out to them that the nose is located on someones head, they think they are qualified to perform brain surgery.
When did I ever say I was qualified in this circumstance? Why do you guys insist on making stuff up?
So now there appears to be eyewitness accounts saying they struggled with the cops in the truck, ran, double backed and he was charging at the cops again when he was shot.
This was from a video I watched yesterday after the shooting. Some eyewitnesses were caught off camera describing this.
If this ends up being the case then..case is closed.
Btw, fit, my wife would for the most part has agreed with you 100% in your arguments. But I don't think she's seen or heard this video or read the transcript. But she's more interested in the cops involved in the curfew than their activity in the Michael Brown shooting..
(08-15-2014 05:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Lol. Are you serious? Name one.
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I don't know what the second witness saw but a comments made immediately after the shooting by a yet unidentified witness supports the POLICE OFFICER'S account.
Quote:The original video poster appears sympathetic to the narrative that Mike Brown was shot unarmed with his hands in the air. But he unknowingly picks up conversation between a man who saw the altercation and another neighbor.
What will the "good" reverends Jackson and Sharpton say of this?
Quote:#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)
Quote:This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm.
This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:
BTW, Holder has ordered a second autopsy, the only reason I can think this is being done is because the State ME found evidence of drugs in Brown's system. No doubt Brown's death was caused by multiple GSW.
(08-17-2014 01:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: BTW, Holder has ordered a second autopsy, the only reason I can think this is being done is because the State ME found evidence of drugs in Brown's system. No doubt Brown's death was caused by multiple GSW.
(08-17-2014 01:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: BTW, Holder has ordered a second autopsy, the only reason I can think this is being done is because the State ME found evidence of drugs in Brown's system. No doubt Brown's death was caused by multiple GSW.
(08-17-2014 01:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: BTW, Holder has ordered a second autopsy, the only reason I can think this is being done is because the State ME found evidence of drugs in Brown's system. No doubt Brown's death was caused by multiple GSW.
what's the odds sizzurp was involved?
Rumor was it was Marijuana.
I wonder if bath salts was involved as well.
It has to be something to make a person feel slightly invincible. Years ago, there were some who would lace PCP with marijuana. Today, there's all this new stuff I cant keep up.
This morning I was listening as someone pieced together all the information they had thus far. On Friday the lawyers for the family and people protesting for Mike Brown were saying the video was doing nothing but creating a smear campaign against him and trying to make Darren Wilson look like a hero.
But piecing it together all makes sense.
1. Mike and Dorian rob a store for Swisher Sweets. In the process he gets aggressive with a clerk and shoves him. (The clerks didn't call the robbery in, witnesses did, the clerks didn't want to cooperate because it was not a big deal to them. But due to a court order they handed over the tapes then they confirmed that yes that was Mike Brown.)
2. Darren Wilson was in the area on a sick call. He got a call to go to another issue (not the robbery).
3. He left and in route he encountered Mike and Dorian walking down the middle of the street. (Now at this point, if I've committed a crime I'd been careful about where I was walking or would've been on the sidewalk, but that's me).
4. He told the two to get on the sidewalk, and an argument ensues. (At this point either he got the call or the two figured he had the call and was going to arrest them). Wilson tries to open the door, but is rushed by Brown and a fight occurs. On a radio show someone close to the family says that Brown had possession of the gun and Wilson wrestled it away from him, and a shot goes off.
5. Dorian and Mike take off running. Wilson gets composure, and chases after them and yells freeze. Mike stops and puts his hands in the air. He turns around and sees Wilson there with his gun drawn. Family friend says at this point Brown starts taunting Wilson and saying, what you gonna do shoot me. He then bum rushes Wilson.
6. Wilson fires at least 6 shots (all depending on the magazine, he could've had 8 shots in total which means he had 1 discharged in the car, 6 hit Brown, that leaves 1 bullet). Four of these shots hit Brown in the arm, one enters through the eye socket, comes out the jaw, and hits the collarbone. Another hits the top of his head. Autopsy by the family states that it does not appear to be a close range and the last 2 shots were the ones that killed him, basically both would've stopped him in his tracks. The shot through the top of the head means that either his head was down because he was on his knees and his head was down, or his head was lowered because he was charging.
7. Eye witness accounts say that Brown was running and the shots turned him around. Autopsy says otherwise.
8. Currently it shows this was a justifiable shooting, unless other evidence surfaces that prove that Wilson shot Brown in cold blood. With the 4 shots in the arm and the coroners saying those were the first shots fired, it appears to me (I'm no expert) that Wilson was trying to stop Brown.
9. The autopsy from the StL ME and Dr. B are the same. Same cause of death, same everything. Eric Holder has requested a federal ME do an autopsy and the family is requesting a 3rd autopsy.
(08-16-2014 03:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote: I'm saying if you are struggling with him with one hand and you have a free hand to get the taser, why not use it?
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Attempted deadly force is met with deadly force. Just like when you are confronted with someone shooting at you you don't shoot at their shoulder to wound them, you shoot center mass to kill them. The streets aren't some Hollywood movie.
Tasers don't always work, and they are less effective if fired from close range.
Reaching for someone's gun is not an attempt at deadly force.
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