(07-25-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:27 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:26 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:49 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:40 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Why? At worst, CUSA's new television contract will be the same as the SBC's.

Throw in the fact that the schools that joined CUSA first from the latest round of realignment get 5 years of $1 million per year media payments (AAC schools that left have to pay the conference for 2 years after current Fox Sports/CBS contract is up if the new contract is for less).

Throw in more bowl options, easier/cheaper travel (most schools in CUSA are very close to major airports), more exposure on television, and better basketball and I can't imagine any school would want to go back.

Schools like MT and WKU care about more than just football, so CUSA is a far better fit for them.

I don't know about all that you said, but I do agree that for MTSU and WKU the deal works out fine because they'll get a couple years profit off of the original CUSA TV Contract.

For a comparison. Looking at how much those two spent to complete their move up, including MTSU's exit fee from the SBC, they'll be able to make that money up with just 2 years under the original CUSA TV Deal.

However, once that deal declines as expected in a couple years, a similar SBC team might need 5 or 6 years in CUSA to make up for the costs of moving. (Assuming no major donation increases)

UNT made sense because this whole weird Texas thing about playing other Texas school can correspond to an attendance increase. Again, the same cannot be assured for a future SBC team moving up.

Moving up to CUSA because of basketball is a cop out, because once all the Memphis NCAA money runs out, the league is going to end up making similar cash to the SBC off NCAA Units overall. Right now both leagues are 1 bid leagues with a chance at earning 2 bids. The only thing I guess I could see for WKU would be a slight attendance bump from getting some basketball savy schools to town...but the numbers would be far from significant enough to make a real difference overall.

I think CUSA has enough talent this year to be a 3 bid league, but it will ultimately come down to scheduling. Many CUSA schools do a piss poor job scheduling OOC games.

And I do agree with most of what you said. Moving to CUSA NOW would make 0 sense, but at the time it did for all involved and I don't think any that moved will regret the move.

UNT gets Texas schools to play. WKU and MT get to be with other programs that place a high value on basketball.

The only schools that will probably see no benefit from the move is FAU and FIU. CUSA schools are going to be no greater draw than SBC schools were and they're probably going to be near the bottom of the totem pole most years for national television exposure in the conference.

Moving conferences for all the other schools made sense for one reason or another.

Agree, and most appear to be very good fits for CUSA, and it helped the SBC be the top non-aq last year so they made money to boot.

SBC won't be sniffing best G5 conference again. Neither will CUSA just so I'm being fair.

That will go to the AAC or MWC 90% of the time.

SBC benefited from having lost some anchors last year with the Florida schools gone and being a very small conference, but it added three more and two moveups that I don't think will be anchors, but could be.

In the short term I think you are right as far as the AAC and probably the MWC (just remember they finished behind the SBC last year), but long term I really don't want to put limits on any of the G5 Conferences.

IMO each Conference has as some teams that could become among the best G5 program in football. Adding AppSt and GaSo really helped the SBC in this regard, because they both have very high ceilings as far as football.

Am I the only one whose disdain for CUSA grew after reading these guys' posts?

Hell, I'd rather see Georgia State be successful than WKU. At least GaSt fans have a redeeming factor of being Georgians and conference mates.

(07-25-2014 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:58 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:52 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:47 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:15 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  Will this help?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ear-of-bcs

http://www.cbssports.com/images/collegef...nkings.pdf

http://www.cbssports.com/images/collegef...bution.pdf

Hold on... You mean to tell me that all this fuss about the SB finishing as the #1 non BCS school was for only 4 million dollar? The difference between what CUSA received for finishing third and the SB for finishing first is only 1.2 millions. If you divide that by 10/14 teams that's barely 100 thousand dollars lol to put things in perspective, each CUSA team is making about 1 million more out of our tv deal than the teams in the Belt.

I think the fuss is that the SBC finished #1 in the rankings.

That ranking means something for one year unless the SBC can consistently perform at the same level. Otherwise, it simply becomes a one year wonder story. Let's see if it becomes a trend as some believe or simply an anomaly as others believe.

The ranking is all about averages and I think most of us are smart enough to realize it's a lot easier for a 8 team conference to be "avg" than it is for 12+ team conferences. The MAC and CUSA had 3 or 4 maybe even 5 bottom feeders that were awful...

AWFUL!!!!!!!!

When that happens there is no way for the top to pull it up...

so being Average is a good thing for this ranking and btw as a conference being average from team 3 to bottom is not a bad thing...

Ideally you would want average to start on team 4 or 5 and the top of the conference to be way above average. But it's going to be a lot harder staying "average" with the additions added to the SBC...

just the numbers alone will make it harder without considering how good or bad those additions are.

Below is a argument I've been trying to get through some people heads. While the top of the MAC (CUSA also) got a l;ot of press and 3 schools with 10 or more wins....

no one looked at how they got those wins

Like Buffalo who was 8-5 with wins over
1 fcs
A awful 3 win Uconn
1 win Umass
1 win W mich.
2 win E mich
4 win Kent St
0 win Miami Ohio
7 win Ohio

Or Northern Ill

I thought you were going to "bow out".

(07-25-2014 06:15 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:27 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:26 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:49 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know about all that you said, but I do agree that for MTSU and WKU the deal works out fine because they'll get a couple years profit off of the original CUSA TV Contract.

For a comparison. Looking at how much those two spent to complete their move up, including MTSU's exit fee from the SBC, they'll be able to make that money up with just 2 years under the original CUSA TV Deal.

However, once that deal declines as expected in a couple years, a similar SBC team might need 5 or 6 years in CUSA to make up for the costs of moving. (Assuming no major donation increases)

UNT made sense because this whole weird Texas thing about playing other Texas school can correspond to an attendance increase. Again, the same cannot be assured for a future SBC team moving up.

Moving up to CUSA because of basketball is a cop out, because once all the Memphis NCAA money runs out, the league is going to end up making similar cash to the SBC off NCAA Units overall. Right now both leagues are 1 bid leagues with a chance at earning 2 bids. The only thing I guess I could see for WKU would be a slight attendance bump from getting some basketball savy schools to town...but the numbers would be far from significant enough to make a real difference overall.

I think CUSA has enough talent this year to be a 3 bid league, but it will ultimately come down to scheduling. Many CUSA schools do a piss poor job scheduling OOC games.

And I do agree with most of what you said. Moving to CUSA NOW would make 0 sense, but at the time it did for all involved and I don't think any that moved will regret the move.

UNT gets Texas schools to play. WKU and MT get to be with other programs that place a high value on basketball.

The only schools that will probably see no benefit from the move is FAU and FIU. CUSA schools are going to be no greater draw than SBC schools were and they're probably going to be near the bottom of the totem pole most years for national television exposure in the conference.

Moving conferences for all the other schools made sense for one reason or another.

Agree, and most appear to be very good fits for CUSA, and it helped the SBC be the top non-aq last year so they made money to boot.

SBC won't be sniffing best G5 conference again. Neither will CUSA just so I'm being fair.

That will go to the AAC or MWC 90% of the time.

SBC benefited from having lost some anchors last year with the Florida schools gone and being a very small conference, but it added three more and two moveups that I don't think will be anchors, but could be.

In the short term I think you are right as far as the AAC and probably the MWC (just remember they finished behind the SBC last year), but long term I really don't want to put limits on any of the G5 Conferences.

IMO each Conference has as some teams that could become among the best G5 program in football. Adding AppSt and GaSo really helped the SBC in this regard, because they both have very high ceilings as far as football.

Actually no one know how good either of those schools will be for the SBC...

They have yet to play a game and have yet to show they can play at the FBS level without having to be whores in OOC games to help support their programs. I think money wise GASO will have a bigger problem than App.

If you look at the ranking...pick out any of the 20 or 30 out there and you will see not many think much of the adds... GASO is ranked last in most. If we are going by what "people" think ODU is getting a lot more respect than both of those schools.

(07-25-2014 06:33 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:58 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:52 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:47 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  Hold on... You mean to tell me that all this fuss about the SB finishing as the #1 non BCS school was for only 4 million dollar? The difference between what CUSA received for finishing third and the SB for finishing first is only 1.2 millions. If you divide that by 10/14 teams that's barely 100 thousand dollars lol to put things in perspective, each CUSA team is making about 1 million more out of our tv deal than the teams in the Belt.

I think the fuss is that the SBC finished #1 in the rankings.

That ranking means something for one year unless the SBC can consistently perform at the same level. Otherwise, it simply becomes a one year wonder story. Let's see if it becomes a trend as some believe or simply an anomaly as others believe.

The ranking is all about averages and I think most of us are smart enough to realize it's a lot easier for a 8 team conference to be "avg" than it is for 12+ team conferences. The MAC and CUSA had 3 or 4 maybe even 5 bottom feeders that were awful...

AWFUL!!!!!!!!

When that happens there is no way for the top to pull it up...

so being Average is a good thing for this ranking and btw as a conference being average from team 3 to bottom is not a bad thing...

Ideally you would want average to start on team 4 or 5 and the top of the conference to be way above average. But it's going to be a lot harder staying "average" with the additions added to the SBC...

just the numbers alone will make it harder without considering how good or bad those additions are.

Below is a argument I've been trying to get through some people heads. While the top of the MAC (CUSA also) got a l;ot of press and 3 schools with 10 or more wins....

no one looked at how they got those wins

Like Buffalo who was 8-5 with wins over
1 fcs
A awful 3 win Uconn
1 win Umass
1 win W mich.
2 win E mich
4 win Kent St
0 win Miami Ohio
7 win Ohio

Or Northern Ill

I thought you were going to "bow out".

I said back out and maybe I'm taking my time doing it but there you go again jumping into something that had nothing to do with you.

I will say this. In 13 years I can't recall a USM fan coming around insisting that I accept the inherent superiority of CUSA or USM. This during a time when USM WAS actually the envy of the G5.

In the last 6 months we've had what...a horde...of CUSA newbies insisting we accept that we are inherently inferior and are doomed due to their patch.

I suggest that a lot of people need to grow up....on their board hopefully.

(07-25-2014 06:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I will say this. In 13 years I can't recall a USM fan coming around insisting that I accept the inherent superiority of CUSA or USM. This during a time when USM WAS actually the envy of the G5.

In the last 6 months we've had what...a horde...of CUSA newbies insisting we accept that we are inherently inferior and are doomed due to their patch.

I suggest that a lot of people need to grow up....on their board hopefully.

No one is trying to insist you do anything...

you can be as wrong as you want to be. As a matter of fact if you would stop jumping into conversations no one is pulling you into. Well ...

So 2014 - 2007 is 13years?

(07-25-2014 05:30 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  We bow to Appman as more intelligent than our president,ad,and regents.It was the right move for WKU-period.By the way-much respect to Appalachian State and your beautiful campus.

Lets revisit this in 3-4 years.

Lol @ wondering why cusa fans are here when this board has their weekly bash cusa thread. Guess you can't defend yourself anymore!

(07-25-2014 06:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 06:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I will say this. In 13 years I can't recall a USM fan coming around insisting that I accept the inherent superiority of CUSA or USM. This during a time when USM WAS actually the envy of the G5.

In the last 6 months we've had what...a horde...of CUSA newbies insisting we accept that we are inherently inferior and are doomed due to their patch.

I suggest that a lot of people need to grow up....on their board hopefully.

No one is trying to insist you do anything...

you can be as wrong as you want to be. As a matter of fact if you would stop jumping into conversations no one is pulling you into. Well ...

So 2014 - 2007 is 13years?

I'll jump into any conversation I want on my own conference's board. I don't need an invite.

(07-25-2014 06:27 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  Am I the only one whose disdain for CUSA grew after reading these guys' posts?

No you all hate CUSA equally!

The SBC is a fine conference. I wish nothing but the best. But I think CUSA is a better fit for MT across the board. Good luck to all SBC teams this season!

We didn't really replace anyone. Additionally find it kind of par for the course for a former member, WKU, fan to not even know that the SBC finished first in the G-5 football ranking and money. When WKU was going to FBS their president stated that it
wasn't for football but to help their recruiting in basketball players. I look forward to being better than WKU in basketball in two years or so.

(07-25-2014 07:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We didn't really replace anyone. Additionally find it kind of par for the course for a former member, WKU, fan to not even know that the SBC finished first in the G-5 football ranking and money. When WKU was going to FBS their president stated that it
wasn't for football but to help their recruiting in basketball players. I look forward to being better than WKU in basketball in two years or so.

Wait. In addition to going FBS, we're getting a basketball team?

(07-25-2014 07:19 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 07:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We didn't really replace anyone. Additionally find it kind of par for the course for a former member, WKU, fan to not even know that the SBC finished first in the G-5 football ranking and money. When WKU was going to FBS their president stated that it
wasn't for football but to help their recruiting in basketball players. I look forward to being better than WKU in basketball in two years or so.

Wait. In addition to going FBS, we're getting a basketball team?

Yeah, I understand someone from the AD's office happened to be at Walmart and saw this round thing that they thought would make an interesting game.

(07-25-2014 05:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 05:23 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:04 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:36 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:40 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Why? At worst, CUSA's new television contract will be the same as the SBC's.

Throw in the fact that the schools that joined CUSA first from the latest round of realignment get 5 years of $1 million per year media payments (AAC schools that left have to pay the conference for 2 years after current Fox Sports/CBS contract is up if the new contract is for less).

Throw in more bowl options, easier/cheaper travel (most schools in CUSA are very close to major airports), more exposure on television, and better basketball and I can't imagine any school would want to go back.

Schools like MT and WKU care about more than just football, so CUSA is a far better fit for them.

CUSA has 6 Bowl Game options (Bahamas, Boca Raton, Heart of Dallas, Hawaii, Independence & New Mexico), ditto for the SunBelt (Bahamas, Camelia, Cure, Go Daddy, Miami Beach, New Orleans).

The point is there won't be more TV exposure for CUSA when the next contract is announced. Easier travel? WKU is just as far from the Nashville airport as Boone is to Tri Cities (Hickory is only an hour away for charter flights) and Jonesboro to Memphis. Every place else is about a wash.

I'll grant you hoops is a tad better in CUSA, but realignment is driven by football. FAU, FIU (which I'm glad are no longer in the SB), WKU & MTSU jumped without looking down the road. Everyone with 1/2 a brain knew the landscape and the parameters were in the process of changing. It now appears to have been a very short sighted decision on their part.

Talk about travel for these fans to the five closest conf schools:
ODU:
Charlotte 5 hr, Marshall 7 hr, MTSU 11 hr, WKU 12 hr, FAU & FIU 14 hr.

App:
Ga State 5 hr, Ga Sou 5 hr, Troy 8 hr, S Ala 9 1/2 hr, Jonesboro 10 hr.

What are you talking about? You guys over here are still having this conversation? Why is an APp Fan who just move up to FBS a few days ago and jointed the conf. 25 days ago telling WKU fans why this was the wrong decision? Maybe you should write our president since you obviously know way more than our admin. does about conferences and what is good for WKU moving forward...25 days later and we are doomed :.... You don't have a clue and showed as much with your comment about Nashville and flights...Most of the time WKU has charter flights straight out of Bowling Green's airport and if they do go to Nashville for flights, its about a 50 min. drive....

I am glad 25 days after we left Sun Belt an App fan tells us we made the wrong move and decision.....This takes the cake on idiotic post of the off season, even more outlandish than Georgia Southern fans talk of 8 or 9 wins this season in football..

We are just fine in CUSA and the production of the media day already light years better than SB.....I think WKU will be ok, don't worry about us, instead worry about your play on the football field and basketball courts this year...

Why is this App fan telling you guys this? Because your administration drank the Kool Aid that Snake Oil salesman Banowsky feed them and got stars in their eyes. I'll give you the basketball side of things, but it is hilarious to hear you guys talk like you're the baddest dude on the football field when 4 years ago you were the laughing stock of FBS. I'm happy you guys finally cracked the 18K attendance figure. We get a little more than that for our Spring Game. BTW, How many charter flights does the basketball, baseball, softball, and tennis teams make out of Bowling Green International? According to MapQuest it is 68 miles from your campus to the Nashville airport. It is 69 miles from Boone to Tri Cities airport. Guess you'll dispute that too. Here's hoping we get to play you guys soon.

I tried to keep out of this but I will correct something well a few things...

Are you seriously comparing a regional air port to Nashville's? and while you might be correct about the miles...

one you are driving on a interstate and other than rush hour it takes 60 minutes to get to a International Airport. The other you are driving on mt and dirt roads that takes you a good 50 to 60% longer to get to.

As for your attendance that's all great but win a game vs a FBS school before you start talking trash...

Western is one of 8 other G5 schools to win 7 or more games over the last 3 seasons. Western has 7 OOC wins over the last two seasons ...more than any school in CUSA or the SBC....

And if we got a truthful answer ....

no one in the SBC would have traded WKU for App st and you attendance.

Now I will back on out

First off it's airport, not air port. I wasn't aware commercial flights were only allowed out of major airports. Guess the flight to Ann Arbor out of Tri Cities was an illusion. I'm going by mapping software and it shows a 1 hour and 10 minute drive to the Nashville airport from Bowling Green. The same software shows a 1 hour and 30 minute drive to Tri Cities from Boone. Even with the dirt roads. OK ya got me! Your trip is 20 minutes shorter. Of course the difference will be more than made up going through security and walking a half mile to the gate.

I wasn't the one who started the trash talk. I'll give you 2013, it was a heck of a year, but the previous two WKU was 2-6 OCG including a loss to FCS Indiana State. One good year doesn't make a successful program. Keep it going for several years before getting the big head.

I know just how steep of a learning curve App has. I am very realistic about what is in front of us and have repeatedly called out some of our more boastful fans who think we "should" win 6-7 games right out of the box. But that is a separate discussion from the decision to jump to CUSA.

I've been around this stuff a long time and have a lot of contacts in athletic departments and conference offices across the country. WKU's and MTSU's administration bought into the sinking ship propaganda being spread by Banowsky. He wanted to put the SunBelt out of business, but didn't realize Benson has far more allies in college athletics than he does. He had no knowledge of the playoff revenue distribution plan that was coming down the pipe and it bit him in the, well you know. Time will tell if it was the right move.

Peace.

I think this thread is bringing the SunBelt folks together!

(07-25-2014 07:34 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I think this thread is bringing the SunBelt folks together!

Ha,ha,ha - yeah sure, thing is we will help make it better and are proud to be a SBC member. If some do not want to be then they shouldn't be.
Have to point out before some WKU fan does that it's Sun Belt not SunBelt.
Am sure the airport thing would resonate.

I am more shocked about the rumor of App actually having a basketball program. Most of us just treat that as the time killer between football and baseball season.

I am more excited than I've ever been about the sunbelt! that being said I watched a show on espn yesterday about top five conferences. They picked out of a pool of conferences.
sec
big ten
aac
acc
pac 10
big 12
mountain
cusa
mac
The sunbelt was not even in the pool and was not even mentioned. My answer to this is keep winning!

CUSA fans can talk the big game as much as they want, but this CUSA that once had members like ECU, Tulsa, UCF, and Houston. These CUSA fans are claiming that "they" are the conference many dreamed of being once upon a time. "They" are not that conference. "They" do not hold a light to ECU, Tulsa, UCF, Houston, or any of the schools that once frequented CUSA.