(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
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So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

(07-23-2014 09:53 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I still hope JMU joins the Sun Belt but the effort has to come from you guys. The Sun Belt will not come begging again. I believe JMU will regret the decision to remain in FCS but that seems to be what your leaders have decided to do.

The academic excuse for not joining is just that--- an excuse. If that is the criteria maybe the Ivy League has an opening.

Like it or not the gap between the G5 teams and the FCS is about to get even bigger. I still hold out hope that your leadership will think seriously about the Sun Belt.

If JMU does join the belt, I expect every away game that JMU plays would be "egg sandwich" day and "SAT" will be chanted on every JMU third down conversion attempt. JMU has moved into public Ivy territory, we should expect it by now.

John_Boy has painted himself into a corner, last time I checked, the alum surveys overwhelmingly indicated a desire to play 1A and the Carr Report said it's financially feasible i.e. "Read the Carr Report."

(07-23-2014 10:08 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
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So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

I think your admin is definitely giving you false hope. For what reason would CUSA want to go beyond 14 members now, especially when the can call up any school they want to from the Sun Belt?

You guys better start making calls, sending emails, and yelling at the top of your lungs to get in while the gettins' good.

(07-23-2014 10:15 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:08 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
__________________________________________________

So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

I think your admin is definitely giving you false hope. For what reason would CUSA want to go beyond 14 members now, especially when the can call up any school they want to from the Sun Belt?

You guys better start making calls, sending emails, and yelling at the top of your lungs to get in while the gettins' good.

It's been going on for 3 years. We get nothing. Our new president kept almost the entire previous administration around, and seems to have no idea on how to communicate and execute a vision.

Leadership is a weak spot at JMU, in my opinion.

Not that its necessarily an option, but I still don't understand why Bourne poo poo'd on football only arrangements in the DNR as never working. If football only is/was an option for UMASS in the Sun Belt, I have to think it was at least a possibility for JMU this year.

Football only would allow you to transition now, allowing you to be more attractive to future conferences without a transition period.

Football only would allow the FBS hungry fans to play "big boy" football, while not sacrficing the rest of the student athletes travel schedules. If only football schedules are changed, there really is no impact on athlete's academics as the football players leave on Fridays. It would be managable. Seems like a middle ground for the pro FBS crowd and those thumping academics.

The argument I heard from Stoss on twitter was the CAA/Yeager wouldn't let JMU do football only even if they wanted to. Richmond took a steaming dump on the conference and almost made it extinct and they still let us play football. Could Yeager really be upset if JMU kept all sports but football in the CAA?

If you reject football only, you have to think MAC/CUSA is coming in the next couple years. If not, the Sunbelt Commish is right in that JMU decided to stay FCS for forseeable future.

(07-23-2014 10:15 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:08 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
__________________________________________________

So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

I think your admin is definitely giving you false hope. For what reason would CUSA want to go beyond 14 members now, especially when the can call up any school they want to from the Sun Belt?

You guys better start making calls, sending emails, and yelling at the top of your lungs to get in while the gettins' good.

You're acting like people on here haven't been doing this for the better part of three years. The Carr Report even said that any FBS conference is better than the CAA. They admin/BOV doesn't care. If people pull support because of this, they'll just claim that we didn't have the funds or fan base to support FBS anyway.

Your recent tirade against JMU trying to paint us all as snooty elitists is tiring. Outside of maybe a half a dozen posters on here, everybody wants to get the hell out of the CAA and is content with the Sun Belt as a means to FBS football.

Stringing along the fans is a great way to keep the alumni interest (read: donations) at a higher level for a few years until reality sets in.

(07-23-2014 09:04 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  I'm not trying to be a prick here, but the attitude that JMU is better than everybody in the Sun Belt, CUSA, and MAC put together has to stop. Appalachian State fans understand that we are not the best. We're just hoping to have a season where we break even this year. If JMU fans think they will come into any FBS conference and just rule it, you're sadly mistaken. These are all just hard truths to swallow.

I don't think you are being a prick.

at the same time, can you see it from our side?

we seem to have fans of dozens of schools that can't stop coming to our board, despite the fact that we are:

a) not in your conference
b) not in FBS
c) according to some, CAA4Lyfe

and those fans do nothing but continue to try and "knock us down" off some imaginary perch that they have us on. JMU fans don't even have us up that high. we know what we are. Just because ONE person makes a comment saying we are better (even though it is likely tongue in cheek) does NOT mean we should have to listen to all these other schools fans continue to come over here and refute that ONE fan.

at the same time, we have to listen to many fans from other schools on our own board talk about how JMU cannot succeed in FBS, how we are just a little hick school in the Valley, blah blah nonsense noise blah blah blah.

if App State can make it in FBS, so can JMU. If ODU can make it in FBS, so can JMU. Fans of those two schools more than any should be well aware of that more than most. if they are saying otherwise, it's just "sports hate" talking, not anything grounded in reality.

bottom line: JMU can do FBS as well as any school in CUSA, MAC or Sun Belt. That's not boasting or putting ourselves on a pedestal. That's just assessing the schools and being realistic.

(07-23-2014 09:04 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:02 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  GoApps - the moving pieces also happen within conferences. I would not be surprised to see some schools not be able to make the cut at the FBS level. We'll see what happens. The best opportunities have past, but the future is always wide open. If JMU positions itself the right way, it may be a more attractive member than a current school in a given conference - SBC, MAC or C-USA.

Crazy things happen, and the business of college sports becomes more cutthroat everyday. A strong JMU program could offer a lot to the mid-major conferences. We'll see where we are 4-5 years from now. If our leadership wants it, we'll find a way (assuming NCAA rules allow it). They have not really wanted FBS in recent years. Risk aversion rules at JMU, and they want investments without taking necessary risks and stepping out of their comfort zone. That's not how the world works, and those with vision have surpassed our program. We can still move up, but I hate getting old waiting for this crap to come to fruition.

I appreciate your optimism, but I don't see JMU jumping the pecking order just because it's JMU. Here's a scenario: The AAC loses two teams to a P5 conference. The AAC does not backfill with JMU, but instead calls up two teams from CUSA, let's say Rice and UTEP. Should that happen, what makes JMU more attractive to CUSA than already-FBS schools with proven winning records like ULL, stAte, South Alabama, Troy, or Texas State?

If anybody knows how JMU feels, it's App. We've been where you are. We thought CUSA was our knight in shining armor, but we were wrong. We waiting around for the best option and everything didn't fall in place the way we wanted it to. So, what did we do? We took what we could get while we could still get it. Does Appalachian State plan on sticking with the Sun Belt for good? I doubt it, but we now have our foot in the door, so that if the MAC decides to move its footprint further south or CUSA wants a closer rival for Charlotte, we're there. We don't have to do a transition anymore, and neither does ODU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, or any other school that has moved up in the past few years. What's killing JMU is you still do. Any conference that may want you has to realize that they won't get you right off the bat. You will have to transition and make lots of changes to be able to join in a timely manner. Why would an established conference want do that for an FCS team when they have their choice of a ton of schools in the FBS who would not have to transition?

I'm not trying to be a prick here, but the attitude that JMU is better than everybody in the Sun Belt, CUSA, and MAC put together has to stop. Appalachian State fans understand that we are not the best. We're just hoping to have a season where we break even this year. If JMU fans think they will come into any FBS conference and just rule it, you're sadly mistaken. These are all just hard truths to swallow.

JMU's admin. needs to hit rock bottom before it admits it has a problem

Would a move to FBS football detract from Alger's career goals?

(07-23-2014 10:08 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
__________________________________________________

So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

his take is not quite right. I'll fix it for him:

JMU fans prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin prefers FCS to SB

JMU admin prefers MAC and CUSA to FCS or SB

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding this year

JMU admin tells JMU supporters no formal offer from preferred options has developed as of now.
__________________________________________________

(07-23-2014 10:25 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  Not that its necessarily an option, but I still don't understand why Bourne poo poo'd on football only arrangements in the DNR as never working. If football only is/was an option for UMASS in the Sun Belt, I have to think it was at least a possibility for JMU this year.

Football only would allow you to transition now, allowing you to be more attractive to future conferences without a transition period.

Football only would allow the FBS hungry fans to play "big boy" football, while not sacrficing the rest of the student athletes travel schedules. If only football schedules are changed, there really is no impact on athlete's academics as the football players leave on Fridays. It would be managable. Seems like a middle ground for the pro FBS crowd and those thumping academics.

The argument I heard from Stoss on twitter was the CAA/Yeager wouldn't let JMU do football only even if they wanted to. Richmond took a steaming dump on the conference and almost made it extinct and they still let us play football. Could Yeager really be upset if JMU kept all sports but football in the CAA?

If you reject football only, you have to think MAC/CUSA is coming in the next couple years. If not, the Sunbelt Commish is right in that JMU decided to stay FCS for forseeable future.

yep. this is the single thing that upsets me the most. i fail to see why JMU would not have aggressively pursued football only with the SB. If we had, I feel pretty confident they would have bit on it because they simply have no other viable football options. But they could very easily add another non-football school to make 12. (new mexico st, some southland or atlantic sun schools)

to me, that was the biggest botch of the past 6 months.

CUSA Commish today at CUSA Media Day: "I believe (realignment) is (over). The seas are pretty calm. ... Western Kentucky last piece to puzzle."

Is there anyone that really thinks we'll announce a move by next June? I think if JMU had this attitude just two or three years earlier we would already be FBS. It seems we may have missed our window and will have to wait a bit. Very frustrating for us fans.

(07-23-2014 11:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CUSA Commish today at CUSA Media Day: "I believe (realignment) is (over). The seas are pretty calm. ... Western Kentucky last piece to puzzle."

So what we all feared came to fruition... JMU has been officially left behind. I like to thank Dr. Rose, the BOV, and the Athletic Dept on their ineptitude.

(07-23-2014 11:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CUSA Commish today at CUSA Media Day: "I believe (realignment) is (over). The seas are pretty calm. ... Western Kentucky last piece to puzzle."

And there you have it.

I bet even Linwood rose himself is probably surprised that JMU hasn't moved yet.

MAC Commish at Media Day today: "We have no plans to expand after UMASS departs."

Good times.

(07-23-2014 10:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:08 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU fans appear to prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin appears to prefer the FCS to FBS

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding at this time and the current structure doesn't lend to expansion

JMU admin tells JMU supporters they are holding out for CUSA
__________________________________________________

So could they be telling supporters what they want to hear and/or providing false hope, just saying.

I think your take is probably pretty accurate based on our current position.

his take is not quite right. I'll fix it for him:

JMU fans prefer the FBS to FCS

JMU admin prefers FCS to SB

JMU admin prefers MAC and CUSA to FCS or SB

JMU could have joined the SBC last year

CUSA and MAC are not adding this year

JMU admin tells JMU supporters no formal offer from preferred options has developed as of now.
__________________________________________________

Careful guys, this poster may be on the payroll?

(07-23-2014 12:02 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CUSA Commish today at CUSA Media Day: "I believe (realignment) is (over). The seas are pretty calm. ... Western Kentucky last piece to puzzle."

And there you have it.

This is not possible, the hardest working, most informed Athletic Director in the NCAA, Jeff Bourne has said otherwise.

Just ******* read the Carr Report JMaddy!!!!!!!!