Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Delawares future ooc Fbs looks good. Multiple games with acc announced today. Much better than our one nc st contest


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(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Completely agree. And add Howard, Georgetown, Norfolk St., and Hampton to the list. If we're going to be small-time, at least stay local and own up to it.

I also agree that if we are staying Fcs, at least play regional teams. They'll draw more visiting fans and they will be at least marginally more attractive on the schedule. More likely that someone has "heard of them".

(08-12-2014 09:27 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Completely agree. And add Howard, Georgetown, Norfolk St., and Hampton to the list. If we're going to be small-time, at least stay local and own up to it.

If Georgetown could book a large stadium (RFK, Nats Park) for the return game I'd be down with home and home series with them. We could easily pull at 'home' crowd similar to the old Richmond stadium, or something like a good DC United crowd.

(08-12-2014 09:27 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Completely agree. And add Howard, Georgetown, Norfolk St., and Hampton to the list. If we're going to be small-time, at least stay local and own up to it.

If the P5 stop playing FCS teams (which I do kinda doubt), I imagine the pay day games will only be available with G5 teams who on average pay a lot less (although we got a nice chunck of change from Akron, surprisingly). It is entirely possible that pay games from the G5 will be less than $150k on average and there may be a time where it makes more sense financially for JMU to no longer play FBS teams.

(08-12-2014 09:39 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 09:27 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Completely agree. And add Howard, Georgetown, Norfolk St., and Hampton to the list. If we're going to be small-time, at least stay local and own up to it.

If Georgetown could book a large stadium (RFK, Nats Park) for the return game I'd be down with home and home series with them. We could easily pull at 'home' crowd similar to the old Richmond stadium, or something like a good DC United crowd.

DC United will (hopefully) have a new stadium in the Navy Yard area within the decade (http://www.dcunited.com/new-stadium-fresh-look).

Like every other DC project though, this is going through the grinder in the vastly corrupt City Council. I imagine it will get approved soon, but not before the politicians get theirs under the table.

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 02:27 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Legit question - if we have sustained success, both in W-L and recruiting over the next two years, any way we duck out of one or both of the 2016 cupcake games? Do FCS programs ever do that? Or is that just a P5 thing...

I'm assuming that each game is scheduled with signed contracts obligating each school to fulfill their end of the schedule, or pay a buyout fee to cancel the contract. I also believe that buyouts are always a higher dollar amount than the amount being paid to the school for visiting to begin with.
With that being said, can you honestly see JMU paying more than they are already paying to not play a nearly guaranteed win, only to schedule a tougher opponent that might have marginally more curb appeal and pay them as much, if not more money to visit JMU? Meanwhile you likely also scheduled a loss, which hurts your W-L record and fan interest.

The truth is, Central Connecticut and Morehead State have just barely less appeal to the casual college football fan than north dakota state or eastern washington. I just don't see why you would spend more money to schedule losses and interest probably 100 or fewer more fans than the cupcake would've.

Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Small quibbles - Morehead isn't that far or hard to get to from JMU with I-64 running between the cities (about 5 hours drive, which is the same to Gardner-Webb and also Youngstown St. for a marquee matchup). Also STFU is only 3 hours away and is relatively close FCS wise, much more so than any NC school.

Coastal Carolina (7+ hours) and CCSU (7+ hours) are about the same distance.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/fcs-team-map/

Other schools relatively close could include: Bucknell, Duquesne, Lehigh, Monmouth, all the VA schools, NCCU, NCA&T, Campbell, Davidson. But your point stands, there is no reason to schedule a team as far away as CCSU given the number of OOC games within 5 hours of H'burg.

(08-12-2014 09:52 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 09:39 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 09:27 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 08:41 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 03:43 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  Great point. If Lehigh does not move the needle on this board, what hope does it have of motivating our general fanbase? Outside of Montanna and NDSU, I don't think it would be worth extending ourselves for any OOC oponent in FCS. I'm going to withhold my FBS grumblings related to this subject.

Honestly, if we have no intention of going FBS at this point (or even any opportunities anymore) we may as well limit ourselves to in state and very regional OOC games. We may as well call up Liberty and try to do a home/home in perpetuity. VMI also hasn't been on the schedule lately, wouldn't mind playing the Keydets again.

Furman, Coastal, Gardner-Webb and Wofford should also be on our radar. CCSU, Morehead and St. Francis aren't any better than D2 games. If we're going to schedule them, we may as well just schedule Bloomsburg and Shippensburg and not have to worry about buying out a return game.

Completely agree. And add Howard, Georgetown, Norfolk St., and Hampton to the list. If we're going to be small-time, at least stay local and own up to it.

If Georgetown could book a large stadium (RFK, Nats Park) for the return game I'd be down with home and home series with them. We could easily pull at 'home' crowd similar to the old Richmond stadium, or something like a good DC United crowd.

DC United will (hopefully) have a new stadium in the Navy Yard area within the decade

You have more faith in the DC Council than I do.

Every post (8) today, in this thread, makes me a little closer to puking. Not that I disagree with any of you. Its what is driving the conversation that makes me sick.