(07-21-2014 08:49 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:32 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Yep associating with the dumb schools in the Sun Belt would ruin JMU :)

I know, the Sun Belt is such a crummy collection of schools that UMass is begging to associate with us. Last time I checked, UMass' academic profile and reputation was better by orders of magnitude than JMU's.

By the way, the world rankings of Universities just came out. I can't seem to find JMU on this list. I do see several Sun Belt schools on the list though. http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html Actually FIVE Sun Belt schools are in the worldwide top 1000 (USA, NMSU, Idaho, Ga State, UTA) plus candidate school UMass. JMU....doesn't appear to be on the list at all.

JMU is just a regional university isn't it? I don't think it is considered a national level research institute, but I could be wrong.

These rankings aren't favorable to universities like that. Davidson for example is a great school, but they're a small liberal arts college so they don't make the list. I don't think you'd find too many people argue that a Charlotte degree is better than a Davidson degree (at the macro level), yet Charlotte makes the list because we have STEM research programs and facilities.

Yup, different classifications...JMU is a masters level regional university. I'm surprised that Tom in Lazybrook didn't know that actually. JMU will never appear on that list unless the school decides to move forward with becoming a national university (which there is talk of, but no action and plan...like our potential move to FBS!).

While JMU does very well as a regional/masters level university, it's like being in the Top 5 in FCS in a lot of ways...it's cool but still kinda "meh."

Most of our posters on here are pretty irate that a move hasn't happend yet, but the school and board of vistors couldn't get on board with the SBC I guess. Some posters still believe JMU is in a good position to move up...those poor souls.

Can some one please explain the tier 3 payout? The one about the APR?

I'm confused is it 300,000 * APR score? Cause that makes no sense. or it is just 300K for meeting the APR standards? Or something else entirely?

300K for meeting APR scores.

So the Sunbelt/MAC type conferences were only receiving 2.5 ish Million before and now are receiving 12 million +?

If so that is a monster bump up in $.

(07-21-2014 11:38 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  So the Sunbelt/MAC type conferences were only receiving 2.5 ish Million before and now are receiving 12 million +?

If so that is a monster bump up in $.

That is exactly correct. The P5 will double their money and remain in their own universe but it is a huge bump for us.

Here is the thing. The P5 have a good model in place with 128 or so FBS schools. They have no real desire to split off into a 65 team league that disappoints half of their fanbases (customers) who no longer have consistent chances to win and go to postseason. They want to keep that model AND prevent lawsuits. Solution? Allow the G5 to keep a much larger share of the revenue so they can provide more benefits and remain FBS while not threatening the P5 pecking order too much.

This was never a P5 vs. G5 debate. This was always a P5 vs. everyone below the G5 who wouldn't vote a certain way. The "split" is the P5 using the NCAA tournament as leverage.

wait, what? weren't the payouts 12M per conference last year plus conference rank money? Isn't that why it's not a great idea to go above 12 teams? How did we go from 2.5M to 12M+ ?

Isn't it more like 12M + conference rank + APR + best team? Having the best G5 team is where you can add some serious cash. have both the best conference and team will add 10M for the conference. Maybe the SBC can have it where the IF a SBC schools makes that big Bowl game they keep 1/2 (3M) and the rest is split between conference members. Could encourage a lot a growth, keep teams in the sbc, and reward the best teams.

I guess 2013 wasn't the year they started this. It looks like GS and APP got in at the right time to take full advantage of the new conference payouts to help adjust to FBS and fund the upgrade.

The 50M per P5 conference doesn't bother me that much (they are the big draw, it would be like paying the opening act the same as the headliner). But I didn't realize that the conferences got soooo much from those Bowl contracts (especially the big ones). $40M to the PAC and B1G from the Rose Bowl! wow.
I would like to see the G5 conference payout be closer to $18-20M, but that would take a large chunk away from the p5 and allow the G5 too much to compete with them.

(07-21-2014 12:45 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  wait, what? weren't the payouts 12M per conference last year plus conference rank money? Isn't that why it's not a great idea to go above 12 teams? How did we go from 2.5M to 12M+ ?

Isn't it more like 12M + conference rank + APR + best team? Having the best G5 team is where you can add some serious cash. have both the best conference and team will add 10M for the conference. Maybe the SBC can have it where the IF a SBC schools makes that big Bowl game they keep 1/2 (3M) and the rest is split between conference members. Could encourage a lot a growth, keep teams in the sbc, and reward the best teams.

I don't believe the 12M per conference started last year. We finished first but we got the last smaller payout from the BCS structure. The information you posted in the last paragraph is the way it will work now from my understanding. Having more than 12 teams just lowers the first payout.

Looks like if you make your APR and don't make a contract bowl you can expect around 2M a year.

(07-21-2014 01:03 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 12:45 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  wait, what? weren't the payouts 12M per conference last year plus conference rank money? Isn't that why it's not a great idea to go above 12 teams? How did we go from 2.5M to 12M+ ?

Isn't it more like 12M + conference rank + APR + best team? Having the best G5 team is where you can add some serious cash. have both the best conference and team will add 10M for the conference. Maybe the SBC can have it where the IF a SBC schools makes that big Bowl game they keep 1/2 (3M) and the rest is split between conference members. Could encourage a lot a growth, keep teams in the sbc, and reward the best teams.

I don't believe the 12M per conference started last year. We finished first but we got the last smaller payout from the BCS structure. The information you posted in the last paragraph is the way it will work now from my understanding. Having more than 12 teams just lowers the first payout.

Looks like if you make your APR and don't make a contract bowl you can expect around 2M a year.

yea I saw that later. Thanks for the summary. It's still, let's see carry the 2, divide by the coefficient, multiply by the pope's b-day.... 1.99M more than what we got in the SOCON. So we can just add that to the budget. Hoping to see a nice bump in sponsorships (already got a nice deal with adidas).

obviously this is going to be the end of conference expansion for a long time, maybe for many, many years if the money for the G5 schools keeps increasing. Nobody in there right mind is going to leave a G5 conference now, for what little hope JMU held out for USA or MAC that dream is officially dead for the foreseeable future. All of the sudden that one spot left in the SBC, the conference everyone hates, and wouldn't dream of joining is looking pretty dam good right now. Bend over SBC, its time for some schools to start begging and kiss our asses!!

Yeah, just doens't make much sense to go beyond 12 and any we add to get to 12 need to really help in a sport or two. I just don't believe the money from TV deals is going to vary much between the G5 leagues, especially the MAC/CUSA/SBC once everyone has a deal based on their 2015 membership.

(07-20-2014 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:32 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Yep associating with the dumb schools in the Sun Belt would ruin JMU :)

I know, the Sun Belt is such a crummy collection of schools that UMass is begging to associate with us. Last time I checked, UMass' academic profile and reputation was better by orders of magnitude than JMU's.

By the way, the world rankings of Universities just came out. I can't seem to find JMU on this list. I do see several Sun Belt schools on the list though. http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html Actually FIVE Sun Belt schools are in the worldwide top 1000 (USA, NMSU, Idaho, Ga State, UTA) plus candidate school UMass. JMU....doesn't appear to be on the list at all.

Im pretty sure you know that the only reason this is the case is because they got kicked out of the MAC, are already FBS and have nowhere to go.

(07-21-2014 03:01 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:32 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Yep associating with the dumb schools in the Sun Belt would ruin JMU :)

I know, the Sun Belt is such a crummy collection of schools that UMass is begging to associate with us. Last time I checked, UMass' academic profile and reputation was better by orders of magnitude than JMU's.

By the way, the world rankings of Universities just came out. I can't seem to find JMU on this list. I do see several Sun Belt schools on the list though. http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html Actually FIVE Sun Belt schools are in the worldwide top 1000 (USA, NMSU, Idaho, Ga State, UTA) plus candidate school UMass. JMU....doesn't appear to be on the list at all.

Im pretty sure you know that the only reason this is the case is because they got kicked out of the MAC, are already FBS and have nowhere to go.

Moreso the MAC called their bluff when they refused to bring all sports over. I also don't think Umass is begging to join the Sun Belt. They might be willing to take a football only invite, but no way they're going for all sports. They're shooting for an AAC invite, but that probably aint coming.

(07-20-2014 02:29 PM)slycat Wrote:  Good to see. Now get in the Cotton Bowl.

Also looks like Notre Dame is still getting a unfair amount. 5x as much as the other independent teams. They should have to earn it like anyone else and not get paid for their name.

ND getting special treatment has went on at minimum a decade to long. They did not belong on the same field as AL. How in the world they still have as much pull as they do is beyond me.

(07-20-2014 03:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:45 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:33 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This magnifies the mistake CUSA made going to 14. As revenues continue to grow as they will, the per school loss for having two too many teams will become more and more significant. One thing for sure is that CUSA will not be adding teams unless they get below 12. Any SBC teams dreaming about CUSA better give up on that dream for the next decade.

Not as bad as the mistake made by those who decided to stay in FCS.

Yeah, JMU might lose millions of dollars by waiting out.

Bet all the folks on AGS are having a hard time spinning this into there is no difference in the G5 and FCS. Most of their heads probably exploded after reading this.

(07-21-2014 05:58 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:45 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:33 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This magnifies the mistake CUSA made going to 14. As revenues continue to grow as they will, the per school loss for having two too many teams will become more and more significant. One thing for sure is that CUSA will not be adding teams unless they get below 12. Any SBC teams dreaming about CUSA better give up on that dream for the next decade.

Not as bad as the mistake made by those who decided to stay in FCS.

Yeah, JMU might lose millions of dollars by waiting out.

Bet all the folks on AGS are having a hard time spinning this into there is no difference in the G5 and FCS. Most of their heads probably exploded after reading this.

At last check they were trying to figure out how many of their leagues would choose to go with stipends...and bashing the P5 a lot.

Did get one poster to mention that the Gap between G5 and the top of FCS was widening though.

(07-21-2014 10:51 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 08:49 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:32 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Yep associating with the dumb schools in the Sun Belt would ruin JMU :)

I know, the Sun Belt is such a crummy collection of schools that UMass is begging to associate with us. Last time I checked, UMass' academic profile and reputation was better by orders of magnitude than JMU's.

By the way, the world rankings of Universities just came out. I can't seem to find JMU on this list. I do see several Sun Belt schools on the list though. http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html Actually FIVE Sun Belt schools are in the worldwide top 1000 (USA, NMSU, Idaho, Ga State, UTA) plus candidate school UMass. JMU....doesn't appear to be on the list at all.

JMU is just a regional university isn't it? I don't think it is considered a national level research institute, but I could be wrong.

These rankings aren't favorable to universities like that. Davidson for example is a great school, but they're a small liberal arts college so they don't make the list. I don't think you'd find too many people argue that a Charlotte degree is better than a Davidson degree (at the macro level), yet Charlotte makes the list because we have STEM research programs and facilities.

Yup, different classifications...JMU is a masters level regional university. I'm surprised that Tom in Lazybrook didn't know that actually. JMU will never appear on that list unless the school decides to move forward with becoming a national university (which there is talk of, but no action and plan...like our potential move to FBS!).

While JMU does very well as a regional/masters level university, it's like being in the Top 5 in FCS in a lot of ways...it's cool but still kinda "meh."

Most of our posters on here are pretty irate that a move hasn't happend yet, but the school and board of vistors couldn't get on board with the SBC I guess. Some posters still believe JMU is in a good position to move up...those poor souls.

Bottom line if the proposals pass, in football you are either FBS or you really don't exist, and that is what this realignment thing has been about, football. Make that good FBS football, and schools, and conferences that injected other things into their decision making process simply screwed-up.

Had the G5 conferences known where this thing would end up when realignment started, a lot of moves that have taken place would not have taken place, especially those by CUSA.

The SBC got lucky in that it had to wait to make it's moves, and under the proposals, keeping their best football schools, and adding AppSt, and GaSo made perfect sense.

Some teams like Boise were lucky and had the opportunity to change directions at the last minute.

From earlier posts, thought this new found money will pay for full cost of living and potentially long time health care for an injured player. FCS could go with a flat rate stipend. There should be leftover money and then there is the performance based 2 to 4 Million depending on the G5 end of season ranking.

For the comment that we got kicked out of the MAC. We had the option of joining all sports, but Benson told us the Sun Belt would take us. (Who knew Benson did not speak for the conference.) You guys knew.

So our goal is to get better and better and that is where rubber meets the road in the performance based tier 2 money.

Both Sun Belt and CUSA took on new transition programs and it takes time to build up, especially with the 25 player limit.

If anybody would like to see how much better JMU thinks they are than the Sub Belt members, head on over to the link.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-695666-page-3.html

In all honesty, nothing less than the ACC or Ivy League will satisfy them.

"The Sun Belt will be too much travel." Does CUSA not have a large footprint, as well? Wouldn't they be the school furthest away in the MAC?

"The Sun Belt does not fit our academic profile." When I think of Appalachian State's academics, my mind doesn't instantly think about the Sun Belt Conference. On top of that, after doing some digging, JMU is not even at the top of the pack in Sun Belt academics.

I'm getting very tired of them insulting the Sun Belt when nobody, and I do mean nobody, else will even think to bring them in now.

Never marry a girl who is "afraid to settle for a slug like you". It would not work out.

Really, take them off the table. They aren't serious about FBS and are internally divided about their athletics future.

How GS & App fans feel right now.