Israel will protect it's citizens. I hope they clean out the rocket sites and those shooting those rockets.

This is more dangerous for Israeli forces, but a more effective method for getting rockets out of Gaza and reducing civilian casualties. You can never really fully bomb your way to victory.

(07-17-2014 03:07 PM)Niner National Wrote:  This is more dangerous for Israeli forces, but a more effective method for getting rockets out of Gaza and reducing civilian casualties. You can never really fully bomb your way to victory.

Japan says "I beg to differ."

(07-17-2014 03:31 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:07 PM)Niner National Wrote:  This is more dangerous for Israeli forces, but a more effective method for getting rockets out of Gaza and reducing civilian casualties. You can never really fully bomb your way to victory.

Japan says "I beg to differ."

touche.

(07-17-2014 03:33 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:31 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:07 PM)Niner National Wrote:  This is more dangerous for Israeli forces, but a more effective method for getting rockets out of Gaza and reducing civilian casualties. You can never really fully bomb your way to victory.

Japan says "I beg to differ."

touche.

I was about to mention Hiroshima but I was beat to the punch. Crap.

Only Wolverine could survive that blast.

Going in to take out the Missile storage, destroy it, and withdraw.

Well, and that's not actually true either. They had been getting their assses kicked over and over and over again. Had the nuke not been dropped there would have been a ground invasion and tens of thousands more lives on both sides, including massive civilian losses would have been lost. This just nudged things along a more rapid pace.

(07-17-2014 03:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Going in to take out the Missile storage, destroy it, and withdraw.

The bombing campaign had been very ineffective at doing that. I've got an assessment of Hamas military capabilities from Brookings I'll post later...

Hamas acting erratically but hardly harmed, sources say | The Times of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-actin...urces-say/ Wrote:Despite days of punishing airstrikes, Israel’s military campaign has failed to inflict serious damage on the Hamas war machine, several sources said Monday.

Israel’s Operation Protective Edge, nearly a week old, has been hobbled by insufficient intelligence, an unwillingness to inflict mass harm on Gaza’s civilian population, and Hamas advancements based on takeaways from the last major armed conflict in 2012, according to current and former officials.

“They still have almost 90 percent of their rockets,” said Yaakov Amidror, a former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Amidror, who believes that an invasion of Gaza would prove useful in the long term — sparing lives on both sides — said that Israel has not hit Hamas rocket stores, rocket development capacity, and senior personnel for two reasons: a lack of detailed intelligence; and an understanding that, based on the location of the arms and personnel, “the collateral damage would be enormous.”

So much for that "cease fire".

(07-17-2014 04:49 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  So much for that "cease fire".

Hamas would not honor a cease fire. They never stopped firing rockets. Earlier today a group of Hamas terrorists came through a tunnel to attack Israeli's. Fortunately they were seen and driven back into the tunnel that was then bombed.

The scary thing is that I have a friend in Israel right now.

Israel has a true leader.....wish we had one

Hamas in Combat: - The Military Performance of the Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy ... PDF Here: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploa...ocus97.pdf

The PDF is 40 pages.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/polic...ic-resista Wrote:Hamas in Combat:
The Military Performance of the Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement
Yoram Cohen and Jeffrey White
October 2009
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Hamas has historically waged terror-based campaigns targeting both Israel and its Palestinian rivals, playing a spoiling role in peace negotiations between the two sides. However, much of the strength projected by Hamas is based on the military promise of the movement -- its capacity to employ force against its enemies.

In December 2008 and January 2009, Hamas was tested as a military entity -- and fell short. Indeed, Israel's Operation Cast Lead posed the first serious military challenge to Hamas since the group seized power in Gaza in 2007 and probably since it emerged during the first intifada in 1988. The operation exposed substantial weaknesses in the quality of the movement's military decisionmaking and sharply illuminated its real capabilities as opposed to projected effectiveness.

In Hamas in Combat, Yoram Cohen, former deputy director of the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), and Jeffrey White, a career Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, focus on the military features of Hamas that have traditionally received little attention analytically: the movement's plans, forces, weapons, doctrine, and combat qualities. This Policy Focus will be of interest to those who follow Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations and to those interested in how Western military forces can confront and confound an irregular opponent. The writers conclude that despite the violent threat it poses to regional stability, Hamas's fundamental military strength should not be overestimated.

THE AUTHORS
Yoram Cohen was a 2009 visiting fellow at The Washington Institute. He has held a variety of positions in the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), serving until recently as the organization's deputy director.

Jeffrey White is a defense fellow at The Washington Institute, specializing in the military and security affairs of the Levant, Iraq, and Iran. He is a thirty-four-year veteran of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), where he served in a variety of senior analytical and leadership positions. He participated in DIA operational and policy planning and wrote extensively for senior defense officials, including the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Mr. White's recent work, on which he is actively sought out as a commentator, includes extensive analysis of the Gaza conflict, the insurgency in Iraq, and the Iranian nuclear program. His other Washington Institute publications include Lessons and Implications of the Israel-Hizballah War: A Preliminary Assessment (with David Makovsky), An Adaptive Insurgency: Confronting Adversary Networks in Iraq, and Assessing Iraq's Sunni Arab Insurgency (with Michael Eisenstadt).

Go Israel, Kick some Hamass!

(07-17-2014 04:49 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Going in to take out the Missile storage, destroy it, and withdraw.

The bombing campaign had been very ineffective at doing that. I've got an assessment of Hamas military capabilities from Brookings I'll post later...

Hamas acting erratically but hardly harmed, sources say | The Times of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-actin...urces-say/ Wrote:Despite days of punishing airstrikes, Israel’s military campaign has failed to inflict serious damage on the Hamas war machine, several sources said Monday.

Israel’s Operation Protective Edge, nearly a week old, has been hobbled by insufficient intelligence, an unwillingness to inflict mass harm on Gaza’s civilian population, and Hamas advancements based on takeaways from the last major armed conflict in 2012, according to current and former officials.

“They still have almost 90 percent of their rockets,” said Yaakov Amidror, a former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Amidror, who believes that an invasion of Gaza would prove useful in the long term — sparing lives on both sides — said that Israel has not hit Hamas rocket stores, rocket development capacity, and senior personnel for two reasons: a lack of detailed intelligence; and an understanding that, based on the location of the arms and personnel, “the collateral damage would be enormous.”

When you have your rocket assembly and storage depots in the basement of a 4 story apartment ghetto full of civilians then a JDAM or Hellfire isn't an option...