it's worth mentioning that merely hitting civilians is not/NOT/NOT "evidence of targeting civilians". sometimes, sh!t just happens.

(07-15-2014 09:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  How can anyone justify any country targeting a civilian population?



Because some people threw rocks????????????? Are you people INSANE?????

Targeting civilians and children is not the same as civilians and children being killed.
Again, if Hamas used its weapons to protect the children instead of using children to protect their weapons the story would be different

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

Hamas has no shame.

(07-15-2014 10:18 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

Hamas has no shame.

Mach thinks Israelis should just sit back and be targets of the Hamas rockets. See, he is a lib. Fighting back goes against his beliefs. He just wants to see more dead Jews. Makes him happy.

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

Israel just wants to survive. Hamas/Palestinians want Israel wiped out. One group of people killed Olympic athletes, the other group were the ones that had their athletes killed. We put down dogs who bite people - Hamas/Palestinians haven't evolved to that level yet.

(07-15-2014 10:22 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

Israel just wants to survive. Hamas/Palestinians want Israel wiped out. One group of people killed Olympic athletes, the other group were the ones that had their athletes killed. We put down dogs who bite people - Hamas/Palestinians haven't evolved to that level yet.

To clarify that was Fatah under the PLO not general Palestinians.

(07-15-2014 10:32 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 10:22 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

Israel just wants to survive. Hamas/Palestinians want Israel wiped out. One group of people killed Olympic athletes, the other group were the ones that had their athletes killed. We put down dogs who bite people - Hamas/Palestinians haven't evolved to that level yet.

To clarify that was Fatah under the PLO not general Palestinians.

If Israel was targeting civilians, there would be a whole lot more dead civilians.

Let this one go, Mach. It just doesn't fly.

(07-15-2014 10:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  If Israel was targeting civilians, there would be a whole lot more dead civilians.

Let this one go, Mach. It just doesn't fly.

He can't. He hates Jews.

Mach, the Palestinians are launching missiles into Israel. They store them in houses. What are the Israelis supposed to do?

And nothing in the original article contains any evidence that civilians are being targeted. As Claw wrote, if Israel were targeting civilians, there would be a lot more dead civilians.

(07-15-2014 10:47 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 10:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  If Israel was targeting civilians, there would be a whole lot more dead civilians.

Let this one go, Mach. It just doesn't fly.

He can't. He hates Jews.

He is going to hate them a lot more if one of those rockets hits the wrong place.

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda. Using these weapons on a civilian population with children ending up dead. Have you no shame?

It is called war. Unlike the US...Israel does not try and play nice.

(07-15-2014 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  34 dead Palestinian children is not propaganda.

It's also not evidence that they are targeting civilians.
It's called collateral damage, and it's what happens when the other side uses human shields.
We back off when the other side does that. Israel doesn't. If missiles were landing in our back yards, we might not either.

No I do not hate Israelis. It's a statement from the mind if a child. You can disagree with the actions of a govt. without condemning it's people as a whole. They shouldn't be using these sorts of weapons on a civilian population center. No ifs ands or buts. How many Israelis have died from the Hamas rockets? Btw I do not condone their actions either and I would say the same things if 34 Israeli children have been killed with these DIME weapons. I want nothing to do with these people. It reminds me of a wise saying. Choose your enemies carefully for you will become them.

The lack of Israeli casualties is not due to lack of Hamas' effort.

(07-16-2014 06:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No I do not hate Israelis. It's a statement from the mind if a child. You can disagree with the actions of a govt. without condemning it's people as a whole. They shouldn't be using these sorts of weapons on a civilian population center. No ifs ands or buts. How many Israelis have died from the Hamas rockets? Btw I do not condone their actions either and I would say the same things if 34 Israeli children have been killed with these DIME weapons. I want nothing to do with these people. It reminds me of a wise saying. Choose your enemies carefully for you will become them.

So what do you do instead?
You're in a situation where basically the only way for you to survive is to kill them and the only way for them to survive is to kill you.
So what do you do?
Should you use such weapons on an enemy weapons cache? If so, what if the weapons cache happens to be intentionally located in proximity to a civilian population center?

A different bomb would be ok?

In any conflict resolution you put yourself into the other sides shoes. Many of the problems are associated with water. It's going to take a 3rd party and it would have to make Jurusalem an international city. Put the UN there.

(07-16-2014 06:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No I do not hate Israelis. It's a statement from the mind if a child. You can disagree with the actions of a govt. without condemning it's people as a whole. They shouldn't be using these sorts of weapons on a civilian population center. No ifs ands or buts. How many Israelis have died from the Hamas rockets? Btw I do not condone their actions either and I would say the same things if 34 Israeli children have been killed with these DIME weapons. I want nothing to do with these people. It reminds me of a wise saying. Choose your enemies carefully for you will become them.

Mach, Hamas has used the civilian population as a shield to store their weapons for years. Maybe the Palestinian people should throw Hamas out of their neighborhoods so they aren't targets.

If your enemy is storing his weapons that he is launching into your country in houses in neighborhoods, what choice do the Israelis have but that there will be some level of civilian collateral damage? The Palestinians have done this to themselves by allowing Hamas to use them as shields.

This actually is a problem the UN is tailored made for. We need to stop taking Israel's side and start being an honest arbitrator too.