http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opi...rrer=&_r=1

"Progressives" are foaming at the mouth to elect someone who is remarkably similar to the guy they compared to Hitler for eight years.

I'm sure okla will find a way to blame Libertarians for putting another Democrat in the White House, even as Republicans directly pull the lever for one.

So how many liberals, if honest brokers, would switch sides and pull the lever for Rand?

If it Warren vs Hillary I will likely Caucus with the dems this time around to make sure the lesser of two evils is on the final ticket.

It will be a completely different election for sure. You can pretty much throw out the latest electoral maps and start from scratch. The GOP elite, country club republicans, Wall Street big business and neocons are all likely to fall in line behind Hillary. Cruz/Paul are going to have to strike a populist/libertarian cord and go hard after the middle class and blue collar democrats and win states like New Hampshire and some midwestern states along with some Obama Western states like Colorado, Nevada, and Oregon to have a chance.

(07-08-2014 07:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  If it Warren vs Hillary I will likely Caucus with the dems this time around to make sure the lesser of two evils is on the final ticket.

Who would be the lesser of the evils in this case?

Hillary is too old, feeble-minded, blood-soaked and has too much baggage (read slick willy) to be viable.

(07-08-2014 07:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  If it Warren vs Hillary I will likely Caucus with the dems this time around to make sure the lesser of two evils is on the final ticket.

Don't think your one little ol" vote would insure the outcome of the final ticket.

Hillary's issue with getting elected has to do with her opening her mouth. Until she corrects that, she is a sitting duck.

(07-08-2014 04:35 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opi...rrer=&_r=1

"Progressives" are foaming at the mouth to elect someone who is remarkably similar to the guy they compared to Hitler for eight years.

I'm sure okla will find a way to blame Libertarians for putting another Democrat in the White House, even as Republicans directly pull the lever for one.

Mentioning me in your opening post....I feel honored.

Libertarians indeed enable progressive causes....and furthermore, progressives. I'm not sure what your beef is. I don't support these clowns either.

Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

Hillary isn't right in the head. She hit it and gave herself a concussion before having to speak about Benghazi. We don't need someone that fragile in the White House. What happens next time she trips herself behind speaking on another scandal she's responsible for? She might slip into a coma, we don't need that.

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

this is a bullsh!t story from the bullsh!t NYT. ONE GUY, and a mccainian at that, is talking about voting for hillary instead of the rand, should rand be nominated. ONE GUY.

use your heads, republicans. it was just a few weeks ago that the freaking times was getting everyone spun up because they said that house republicans were going to pass amnesty.


use.your.heads.

(07-08-2014 08:36 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

Yeah, sure. The same ones that used the race card on a Conservative maybe.

(07-08-2014 08:36 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

Dude, your story is nothing but some whiny liberal spouting off in the New York Times. No national Republican is aligning with Hillary Clinton.

However, this is just another example of a libertarian attacking the GOP instead of the liberal gestapo in control of Washington right now...and that group starts with the letter D.

You better be more worried about social ideals and our border. Our country is imploding from within. We don't have any more time for the libertarian, big military-drug war-NSA jive.

(07-08-2014 08:39 AM)EagleX Wrote:  this is a bullsh!t story from the bullsh!t NYT. ONE GUY, and a mccainian at that, is talking about voting for hillary instead of the rand, should rand be nominated. ONE GUY.

use your heads, republicans. it was just a few weeks ago that the freaking times was getting everyone spun up because they said that house republicans were going to pass amnesty.


use.your.heads.

Get used to it. The GOP establishment has proven that when they lose, they take their ball and go home. Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter, Lisa Murkowski... etc. They will switch parties in a heartbeat. At best they will sit on the sidelines and idle through the election, cutting off financial support like they did to Ken Cuccinelli. Make no mistake, if Jeb Bush (or someone of that ilk) is not nominated, it will be a lot more than ONE GUY. I would also not be surprised if one of them ran as an independent. These people are not allies, they are the enemy every bit as much as the democrats.

(07-08-2014 08:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:36 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

Dude, your story is nothing but some whiny liberal spouting off in the New York Times. No national Republican is aligning with Hillary Clinton.

However, this is just another example of a libertarian attacking the GOP instead of the liberal gestapo in control of Washington right now...and that group starts with the letter D.

You better be more worried about social ideals and our border. Our country is imploding from within. We don't have any more time for the libertarian, big military-drug war-NSA jive.

Yeah, we don't have time to worry about the government trampling the Constitution (which you completely agree with and support Obama on) because we have bigger problems, like adults being allowed to enter into legal agreements that don't affect anyone else's life.

(07-08-2014 08:53 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:36 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

Dude, your story is nothing but some whiny liberal spouting off in the New York Times. No national Republican is aligning with Hillary Clinton.

However, this is just another example of a libertarian attacking the GOP instead of the liberal gestapo in control of Washington right now...and that group starts with the letter D.

You better be more worried about social ideals and our border. Our country is imploding from within. We don't have any more time for the libertarian, big military-drug war-NSA jive.

Yeah, we don't have time to worry about the government trampling the Constitution (which you completely agree with and support Obama on) because we have bigger problems, like adults being allowed to enter into legal agreements that don't affect anyone else's life.

You people really need to wake up. Our government is flooding the country with people that will ensure this country becomes one party rule FOREVER. The erosion of the American family will ensure you never have any freedom from the Govt.

WAKE UP PAL

btw, I did a little research on the McCain comment. It was a joke.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...ugh-choice

In a lot of ways I tend to agree with him. Rand Paul is another liberal in sheep's clothing. He has been wishy washy about amnesty, gay marriage, and drug legalization. Not much difference in that than Obama.

What's so funny about you libertarians is that you think we have all the time in the world. The country is imploding now.

(07-08-2014 08:57 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:53 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:36 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 08:20 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here's how I see it Blazer. Anyone who bashes the only party that can unseat the democrats is part of the left. You may have your libertarian ideals and whatnot, but they will become a permanent memory if we allow another democrat to control the White House, and I don't see people like you all that worried about it.

I guess you missed the part about Republicans lining up behind Hillary, a Democrat. I mean, it was only about 100% of the story content.

What's the difference between having Hillary and having a neocon, if both support the same things?

Dude, your story is nothing but some whiny liberal spouting off in the New York Times. No national Republican is aligning with Hillary Clinton.

However, this is just another example of a libertarian attacking the GOP instead of the liberal gestapo in control of Washington right now...and that group starts with the letter D.

You better be more worried about social ideals and our border. Our country is imploding from within. We don't have any more time for the libertarian, big military-drug war-NSA jive.

Yeah, we don't have time to worry about the government trampling the Constitution (which you completely agree with and support Obama on) because we have bigger problems, like adults being allowed to enter into legal agreements that don't affect anyone else's life.

You people really need to wake up. Our government is flooding the country with people that will ensure this country becomes one party rule FOREVER. The erosion of the American family will ensure you never have any freedom from the Govt.

WAKE UP PAL

btw, I did a little research on the McCain comment. It was a joke.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...ugh-choice

In a lot of ways I tend to agree with him. Rand Paul is another liberal in sheep's clothing. He has been wishy washy about amnesty, gay marriage, and drug legalization. Not much difference in that than Obama.

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