New city captured

The situation continues to deepen.

On a particularly interesting note, they reported that the Obama Admin. is perhaps willing to have direct talks with Iran over the Iraqi question.

Generally, I'm a fan of open relations with Iran and talks with them, but not this time. Talks on the subject with them are counterproductive and signal weakness instead of strength.

The US and Iran have talked and alternately co-operated/undermined with each other in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The situation is desperate now, because, well, the situation is desperate. I don't see another good alternative (not that this is good). Besides, the government of Iraq will bring in Iran regardless of what the US does.

I liked it when Obama blasted Iraqi soldiers for deserting the Iraqi Army.

How bad can the Iraqi army be to run away from a few hundred fighters.
Sounds ridiculous.

Whatever Obama does, it will assuredly be the wrong decision in most of the board's eyes...haha

Maybe he could pay ISIS to just go over into Iran.

(06-16-2014 08:58 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Whatever Obama does, it will assuredly be the wrong decision in most of the board's eyes...haha

That's the job he signed up for. The POTUS will never please everyone.

(06-16-2014 08:58 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Whatever Obama does, it will assuredly be the wrong decision in most of the board's eyes...haha

Of course. Would be the same if Bush were in office.
That really goes without saying.

Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Which means it's Bush's fault argument coming from the libs in 3...2...

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

(06-16-2014 08:56 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How bad can the Iraqi army be to run away from a few hundred fighters.
Sounds ridiculous.

I read the ISIS had 12,000 soldiers and that they are heavily armed and experienced. Is that not correct?

(06-16-2014 09:29 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 08:56 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How bad can the Iraqi army be to run away from a few hundred fighters.
Sounds ridiculous.

I read the ISIS had 12,000 soldiers and that they are heavily armed and experienced. Is that not correct?

I think that's the numbers today, after the fall of Mosul.

Estimates prior to the battle were between 800-1200.

Oh, and they captured $420 million fresh US dollars.

Wonder if the admin wishes it had actually listened to those generals on the ground in Iraq now?

(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

I was never that optimistic that you could have a good ending to this. Obama did pretty much what Bush did, except that after 10+ years, decided it was time to get out. So either we stay there forever or we get out. We can't afford the former and may have to just tolerate the results of the latter.

(06-16-2014 09:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

I was never that optimistic that you could have a good ending to this. Obama did pretty much what Bush did, except that after 10+ years, decided it was time to get out. So either we stay there forever or we get out. We can't afford the former and may have to just tolerate the results of the latter.

Both failed to notice a pathway to victory and one gave up. Which is more respectable?

(06-16-2014 09:54 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

I was never that optimistic that you could have a good ending to this. Obama did pretty much what Bush did, except that after 10+ years, decided it was time to get out. So either we stay there forever or we get out. We can't afford the former and may have to just tolerate the results of the latter.

Both failed to notice a pathway to victory and one gave up. Which is more respectable?

Which pathway was that?

(06-16-2014 10:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:54 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

I was never that optimistic that you could have a good ending to this. Obama did pretty much what Bush did, except that after 10+ years, decided it was time to get out. So either we stay there forever or we get out. We can't afford the former and may have to just tolerate the results of the latter.

Both failed to notice a pathway to victory and one gave up. Which is more respectable?

Which pathway was that?

Splitting Iraq up.

(06-16-2014 09:54 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:25 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Bush predicted this happening if Obama blew it and of course as he does on everything, Obama blew it.

Well of course. There was no way for Obama to succeed after what Bush did.

Huh?

I was never that optimistic that you could have a good ending to this. Obama did pretty much what Bush did, except that after 10+ years, decided it was time to get out. So either we stay there forever or we get out. We can't afford the former and may have to just tolerate the results of the latter.

Both failed to notice a pathway to victory and one gave up. Which is more respectable?

So you were in favor of continuing to spend billions in Iraq in a no-win situation?

Against your small federal government spending principles, no?