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(06-03-2014 02:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  The A&M president said on an Aggie website that he had already decided to leave the year before when CU and NU left.

If this is true it speaks volumes about the 'character' of Texas A&M.
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Houston is the only team NOT hosting a Super Regional whose seed (and in most cases RPI) is BETTER than their opponents.

BUNCH. OF. CRAP.

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(06-03-2014 03:05 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 02:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  The A&M president said on an Aggie website that he had already decided to leave the year before when CU and NU left.

If this is true it speaks volumes about the 'character' of Texas A&M.

actually I don't think that is exactly what he said

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthre...-departure

the closest he comes is here

Q: You’ve said that this was a 100-year decision. How did you finally make it?
Loftin: Back in 2010 as I was looking at this whole problem here—and I’m an analytical kind of guy—I was looking for a way to present this to the board the whole time. I did an analysis looking at 21 different issues that deal with conference affiliation for the Pac-12 vs. a reduced Big 12 vs. the SEC. It showed me that the preponderance of compatibility was with the SEC, so I had that in my mind a year and three months ago as an outcome of that analysis. Nothing had really changed about that. It’s the same basic analysis. We looked at land grant heritages, cultures, and fan bases. You find a lot of similarities with Texas A&M and the majority of schools in the SEC.
I also had (vice president for marketing and communications) Jason Cook looking at issues such as branding, brand value, licensing, revenue and things like that. We went a little bit deeper this time in a few areas we hadn’t looked at before as carefully. I must say Regent Jim Wilson is probably my Siamese twin. Jim is the most active person with his strong interest and background. We worked together last year and this year.



also here

Q: Did you always feel the SEC was a viable option for A&M?
Loftin: In June of 2010 after we made the decision to stay in the Big 12, the first conversation I had was with Mike Slive. We were talking about maybe going to the SEC at that point, so I owed that to Mike and said, “Mike, this is the direction we are going right now, and I want you to know that I really appreciate the interaction we have had over the last several months.” We talked a couple times in the fall of 2010, then I ran into him physically at the Cotton Bowl and we just had a social conversation. I always had a sense that the doorway there was not closed to us and we could certainly come back and talk about this in the future.


here is one part where he tells an outright lie though

Q: In the summer of 2010, there was plenty of conference realignment talk. What brought everything back up in 2011?
Loftin: Let me take you back to June of 2009. I was interim president and within a few days of that time, I attended my first Big 12 board meeting in Dallas. Even though the presidents who were there were obviously civil and got along pretty well, it was clear there was some degree of difficulty within the conference then in terms of relationships. I call it the haves and have-nots. It was very clear which schools had money, and we were sort of in the middle of that pack.


here is the Big 12 05-06

http://web.archive.org/web/2008051006414...id=2392213

A&M is 3rd that is solidly in the top 25% not somewhere sort of in the middle

in 07-08 A&M was 4th out of 12 in revenue sharing

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...ring-funds

only an aggie would call being solidly in the top 3rd "sort of in the middle of the pack"

here they are for 08-09

http://www.turfburner.com/the-feed/item/...stribution

A&M is 5th only 200k behind 4th place MU.....MU that as noted in this article complained a lot about unequal revenues


http://web.archive.org/web/2010061720003.../706139829

not surprisingly NU suddenly was no longer happy when they fell to 8th

but we can see here at least one team knew who was full of BS

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2007/8/16/165516/532

Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said on KC's 810 sports today he isn't for a revenue change (no word on what Steve Pederson thinks about it...or if he's even still alive). Bill Byrne is a former Nebraska guy and now at another of the top four money schools, so I doubt he's for the change. I have no idea what OU thinks about this, but there's little reason to believe they're for it.

so June of 2007 the chancellor of NU was quoted from the radio saying that unequal revenue for the big 12 was not going to change and former NU AD that was at A&M surely would think the same since A&M was somewhere sort of in the top 1/3rd

and it is also pretty clear that back in 2010 he was being an "ANALytical guy and doing a bunch of maths stuffs to make a strong comparison fo Texas A&M and the SEC SEC SEC to "present it to the board" (of regents) and then he says "so I had that in my mind a year and three months ago as an outcome of that analysis. Nothing had really changed about that."

so while not admitting that he had fully decided to join the SEC SEC SEC he had had it in his mind from his ANALysis that the SEC was where A&M belonged and he clearly misrepresents A&Ms position as far as TV revenue in the Big 12 and their position on revenue sharing just as NU misrepresented their position on it as well when they left for the Big 10


it is also amazing how many blame UT for ruining the conference when so many others like A&M and MU stated time and again "the big 12 is where we want to be" and "we are working to save the Big 12" before they left and UT stayed and the Big 12 has remained together for 2-3 seasons since then and will for at least a 4th and probably many more

and here is another interesting fact about the "100 year ANALysis" from bowtie

Q: Will there be a significant financial windfall for A&M once it officially joins the SEC?
Loftin: We are not going to necessarily see huge TV revenue shifts from going to the SEC. We’ll probably see some, but Jason can tell you that we have the opportunity to do much more with licensing revenue and things like that. We will be competing in national venues vs. regional venues as far as visibility, and that has a big value. So, we see revenue enhancements not just from the TV contracts, but from other areas, as well, that will give us more opportunities to be able to do what we have to do in athletics here as far as keeping coaches and attracting coaches and things like that.


maybe 10th mountain needs to raise bowtie on the shortwave radio and let him know about "next year" or is it "3 years from now" or is it "in 10 years".......or maybe 2525!!!
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Loftin seems to have called the shot perfectly. A&M has definitely gone on to a bigger stage even is the final standings are just okay. One need only see the perceived shift in dominance within the state in comparison to the only marginal advantage in reality. A&M is the mover and shaker in the national eye.
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(06-03-2014 05:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Loftin seems to have called the shot perfectly. A&M has definitely gone on to a bigger stage even is the final standings are just okay. One need only see the perceived shift in dominance within the state in comparison to the only marginal advantage in reality. A&M is the mover and shaker in the national eye.

the only problem is now they actually have to produce because they no longer have UT UT UT and Marsha Marsha Marsha to blame for everything and as of now they can get away with coming in 2nd and 3rd in their division in the SEC and not playing in a BCS game and calling it a miracle season for the evAR ages, but over time that will stop selling and then they will need to actually accomplish something or people will figure out the hype is over
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You seem really obsessed about this issue.

Was your time in San Marcos really so bad?

Did the Bobcats not live up to your expectations and so you had to go find another team?

Shouldn't you be defending the Sun Belt's honor instead of the Big 12's?
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(06-03-2014 06:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You seem really obsessed about this issue.

Was your time in San Marcos really so bad?

Did the Bobcats not live up to your expectations and so you had to go find another team?

Shouldn't you be defending the Sun Belt's honor instead of the Big 12's?

the only times I have visited San Marcos I had a wonderful time the river is beautiful and Spring Lake is great to scuba dive in

you seem obsessed with me personally is there some reason you can't present any information pertinent to what is being discussed or have you just given up on that and now you are going with the "refute the messenger not the message" tactic?

is that all they taught you in fake army www psych ops 01-wingedeagle
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It ok, lots of Bobcats like to pretend to be fans of better schools.

Unless you'd like to clarify for all of us where your loyalty lies.
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(06-03-2014 06:17 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 05:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Loftin seems to have called the shot perfectly. A&M has definitely gone on to a bigger stage even is the final standings are just okay. One need only see the perceived shift in dominance within the state in comparison to the only marginal advantage in reality. A&M is the mover and shaker in the national eye.

the only problem is now they actually have to produce because they no longer have UT UT UT and Marsha Marsha Marsha to blame for everything and as of now they can get away with coming in 2nd and 3rd in their division in the SEC and not playing in a BCS game and calling it a miracle season for the evAR ages, but over time that will stop selling and then they will need to actually accomplish something or people will figure out the hype is over

It could prove to be this season. The timing of Johnny Football greatly exaggerated the on-field success. We'll have to wait and see.
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(06-03-2014 01:38 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 01:36 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 01:20 PM)mlb Wrote:  You see this jml?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

"Lubbock in the middle of nowhere"

I've been to 'nowhere,' it's much nicer than Lubbock.

LOL----- I love mid-majors. Tubby Smith will make Tech respectable again and we will still have a seat at the Big Boy table.

Kliff is recruiting studs to the middle of nowhere: Rivals 2015

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...15/all/all
Quote:#26 Texas Tech 7 0 2 5 3.29 656
#46 Texas-San Antonio 9 0 0 1 2.11 390
#55 Houston 7 0 0 2 2.33 300
#57 Rice 8 0 0 2 2.33 285
#80 Texas State 2 0 0 1 2.5 135
#82 San Jose State 2 0 0 2 3 120

Wait wait
#86 Cincinnati 4 0 0 1 2.5 105

Maybe Rivals is biased. Lets see
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2015

Quote:25. Texas Tech 7 Big 12 888 2 0 4 2 5 2 0 6 1 3.43
t57. Texas-San Antonio 9 Conf USA 200 0 0 0 1 8 1 0 9 0 2.11
62. Houston 6 AAC 183 0 0 0 3 4 2 0 6 0 2.50
t77. Cincinnati 3 AAC 100 0 0 0 2 0 3 0 3 0 2.67

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(06-03-2014 04:54 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Houston is the only team NOT hosting a Super Regional whose seed (and in most cases RPI) is BETTER than their opponents.

BUNCH. OF. CRAP.

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Money and fans talk---- bs walks. It is what it is
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...division=1
6 Texas Big 12 162,769 5,251
13 TCU Big 12 106,793 3,337
30 Texas Tech Big 12 79,733 2,278
45 Houston AAC 44,409 1,346

NCAA knows where they can make money.
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(06-03-2014 07:14 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 04:54 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Houston is the only team NOT hosting a Super Regional whose seed (and in most cases RPI) is BETTER than their opponents.

BUNCH. OF. CRAP.

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Money and fans talk---- bs walks. It is what it is
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...division=1
6 Texas Big 12 162,769 5,251
13 TCU Big 12 106,793 3,337
30 Texas Tech Big 12 79,733 2,278
45 Houston AAC 44,409 1,346

NCAA knows where they can make money.

Just throwing it out there, but would you be OK if the Big12 reinstates a football CCG when the NCAA rules change, but it will always be hosted by whichever of the two opponents had better attendance?
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(06-03-2014 06:51 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 11:29 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Nice to see Texas stick it to greedy A&M who bolted for that SEC money.

ahh.. the B12 right now makes more than the SEC per school. They took a pay cut not raise to move.
Because,unlike the SEC, the Big XII stiffed their new members out of about 9 mil a piece...
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My congrats to the Big XII. Nice baseball work!04-bow
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(06-03-2014 08:46 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:14 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 04:54 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Houston is the only team NOT hosting a Super Regional whose seed (and in most cases RPI) is BETTER than their opponents.

BUNCH. OF. CRAP.

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Money and fans talk---- bs walks. It is what it is
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...division=1
6 Texas Big 12 162,769 5,251
13 TCU Big 12 106,793 3,337
30 Texas Tech Big 12 79,733 2,278
45 Houston AAC 44,409 1,346

NCAA knows where they can make money.

Just throwing it out there, but would you be OK if the Big12 reinstates a football CCG when the NCAA rules change, but it will always be hosted by whichever of the two opponents had better attendance?

Probably should have kept it inside because it isn't really possible. If the Big 12 goes back to a CCG--- it will be a neutral site like the SEC, Big 10 and ACC.
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4 Big 12 teams advance to the Super Regional
Something Tech will never see
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Not going to be popular but you know you're arguing over what most see as a Minor Sport...it is not Men Basketball or Football...pretty much on the same level as Women Basketball...just saying...05-nono
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(06-03-2014 09:20 PM)Maize Wrote:  Not going to be popular but you know you're arguing over what most see as a Minor Sport...it is not Men Basketball or Football...pretty much on the same level as Women Basketball...just saying...05-nono

Card fans were kind of excited about it last year01-ncaabbs

I see your point but I think we will be experiencing these same kinds of joyous moments in football and basketball. We finally got rid of the losers that brought so much joy to my friends on this board. 04-cheers

Kliff is just starting and Tubby will do some really good things in Lubbock. He is laying the foundation and when he decides to retire, we will not have a problem getting a great coach.
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(06-03-2014 02:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Bullet, not saying you're incorrect, would just like to see the link for it to read it

Its been awhile. Don't know if I could find it now or if it would still be on the site. I believe it was the summer after they decided to leave he did an interview on Texags about how things happened. One of his comments was that he told the other presidents he was committed to the Big 12 "as it was." By "as it was", he meant with CU and NU. He didn't want anyone to say he was lying (of course, he was intentionally misleading them but didn't seem to find anything wrong with that). As mentioned in this thread, he said he wanted to get more national attention and differentiate themselves. They did a survey (don't remember if that was done later or before) and people outside of Texas didn't see any difference between Texas A&M and Texas Tech, Houston or the other state schools (other than UT).
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Moron Texas Tech fan thinks, his school would get regional over UT.
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